>>> WE DRANK BEER. WE LIKED BEER.
>> WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER TO BE
TOO MANY BEERS?
>> I DON’T KNOW.
YOU KNOW, WE -- WHATEVER THE
CHART SAYS ON BLOOD ALCOHOL
CHART.
CHART. >> YOU KNOW WHO DOESN’T KNOW
WHAT TOO MANY BEERS IS?
SOMEONE WHO DRINKS TOO MANY
BEERS.
BEERS. JOINING OUR DISCUSSION NOW, LIZ
SWISHER AND LYNNE BROOKES.
BOTH WERE FRIENDS OF KAVANAUGH’S
IN COLLEGE AND ROOMMATES WITH
DEBORAH RAMIREZ, WHO HAS ACCUSED
BRETT KAVANAUGH OF SEXUAL
AGGRESSIVENESS, I GUESS WE COULD
CALL IT.
CALL IT. LIZ SWISHER, YOUR REACTION TO
WHAT YOU HEARD BRETT KAVANAUGH
SAY UNDER OATH ABOUT HIS
DRINKING?
DRINKING? >> I WAS APPALLED.
HE WAS CLEARLY LYING, AND IT WAS
INCREDIBLY DISTURBING TO SEE
SOMEBODY PERJURING THEMSELVES
WHO IS IN LINE TO BE A SUPREME
COURT JUSTICE.
COURT JUSTICE. >> LYNNE BROOKES, YOUR REACTION
TO WHAT YOU HEARD?
>> I AGREE.
THE REASON THAT I DECIDED TO
SPEAK OUT WAS WHEN HE GAVE THE
"FOX NEWS" INTERVIEW, AND AS I
SAID IN "THE WASHINGTON POST",
TRIED TO PAINT HIMSELF AS A
CHOIR BOY WHERE ALL HE DID WAS
STUDY AND PLAY SPORTS AND EVERY
ONCE IN A WHILE HE WOULD HAVE A
BEER.
BEER. THAT’S SIMPLY NOT CONSISTENT
WITH THE BRETT KAVANAUGH THAT I
KNEW IN COLLEGE.
>> I MEAN, LIZ, HE COULD HAVE
TESTIFIED THAT, YEAH, YOU KNOW,
I DRANK, I GOT DRUNK A LOT.
I DON’T DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT
NOW.
NOW. THAT WAS MY, YOU KNOW, TEENAGE
YEARS AND MY COLLEGE YEARS, AND
THEN GONE BACK TO HIS, I THINK,
GOOD TALKING POINT THAT, LOOK, I
THE ALL OF MY HOMEWORK, I GOT
ALL OF MY WORK DONE, SO HOW BAD
COULD IT BE.
BUT HE SEEMED TO TRY TO DO
EVERYTHING HE COULD TO MINIMIZE
THE DRINKING.
THE DRINKING. >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. THAT’S WHAT WAS SURPRISING TO
ME, IS THAT I DRANK TOO MUCH IN
COLLEGE, I THINK A LOT OF KIDS
DRINK TOO MUCH IN COLLEGE.
BUT IF YOU ARE ABLE TO GET, YOU
KNOW, GET YOUR WORK DONE AND YOU
MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE AND YOU
DON’T DRINK AS MUCH, WE ALL
DRINK A FAIR AMOUNT AND WE MADE
SOME STUPID CHOICES.
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN TOTALLY
FINE, IF HE HAD SAID THAT I
WOULDN’T BE HERE TODAY.
>> AND, LYNNE, LET’S TALK ABOUT
DEBORAH RAMIREZ.
DEBORAH RAMIREZ. YOU BOTH WERE ROOMMATES AND
FRIENDLY WITH DEBORAH RAMIREZ
AND HER STORY OF BRETT KAVANAUGH
BEING REALLY INCOHERENTLY DRUNK
AND DROPPING HIS PANTS AND
AGGRESSIVELY THRUSTING HIMSELF
IN HER FACE AND SHE HAD TO PUSH
HIM AWAY AND TOUCH HIM IN A WAY
THAT DISGUSTED HER.
WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION TO THAT
STORY?
STORY? >> WELL, I DID NOT WITNESS ANY
OF THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR.
I DIDN’T WITNESS THAT SPECIFIC
INCIDENT, NOR DID I WITNESS
BRETT DOING THAT AT ANY OF THE
PARTIES THAT I WAS AT WITH HIM.
I DO BELIEVE DEB AUBIE RAMIREZ’S
ACCOUNT.
ACCOUNT. SHE IS NOT SOMEONE THAT WOULD
COME FORWARD AND LIE, BUT THAT’S
NOT BEHAVIOR I WITNESSED FROM
BRETT KAVANAUGH.
BRETT KAVANAUGH. >> LIZ, WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION
TO DEBBIE RAMIREZ’S STORY.
>> YEAH, WELL, THAT WAS VERY
UPSETTING BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE
DEBBIE.
DEBBIE. SHE IS VERY HONEST.
SHE WAS AN INNOCENT PERSON, BUT
I WAS NOT ABLE TO CORROBORATE
THAT BECAUSE, AGAIN, I WASN’T
THERE.
THERE. BUT MEN RARELY DO THOSE TYPES OF
THINGS WHEN OTHER GIRLS ARE
AROUND.
AROUND. >> AND, LYNNE, THE RAMIREZ,
DEBBIE RAMIREZ’S ACCUSATION IS
SOMETHING THAT PRESUMABLY THE
FBI WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THIS
WEEK.
WEEK. DO YOU SUPPOSE THEY’LL BE ABLE
TO FIND ANYONE WHO MIGHT BE A
WITNESS TO THAT?
>> WELL, SHE DOES RECALL PEOPLE
IN THE ROOM AND THERE WERE
CERTAINLY PEOPLE THAT WERE
REFERENCED IN "THE NEW YORKER"
ARTICLE ALTHOUGH THEIR NAMES
WEREN’T GIVEN.
WEREN’T GIVEN. I COULD DETERMINE WHO THEY WERE
AND HOPEFULLY THEY WILL SPEAK
TRUTHFULLY TO THE FBI.
>> LIZ, YOU SEE A COLLEGE FRIEND
ON HIS WAY TO AS BIG A JOB AS
YOU CAN GET REALLY, AND HE
STARTS TALKING ABOUT HIS
DRINKING PUBLICLY AND HE
UNDERSTATES IT.
UNDERSTATES IT. WHY WASN’T THAT SOMETHING YOU
COULD JUST LET SLIDE?
>> BECAUSE THAT WAS BLURRING THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TRUTH AND
FALSEHOOD, AND FOR SOMEBODY WHO
IS A FEDERAL JUDGE AND IN LINE
POTENTIALLY TO BE IN THE HIGHEST
COURT IN OUR COUNTRY, THERE CAN
BE NO BLURRING OF TRUTH AND
FALSEHOOD.
FALSEHOOD. THERE CAN BE NO ALTERNATIVE
FACTS.
FACTS. WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO STANDS BY
TRUTH AND JUSTICE.
>> AND, LYNNE, CERTAINLY THERE
ARE DOZENS OF OTHER YALE PEOPLE
WHO CERTAINLY SAW THE SAME THING
YOU DID AT THE SAME PARTIES.
THEY’RE NOT COMING FORWARD.
WHAT MADE YOU DECIDE THAT YOU
COULDN’T JUST SIT BACK WHEN YOU
HEARD BRETT KAVANAUGH SAY THESE
THINGS?
THINGS? >> WELL, I TEND TO AGREE WITH
LIZ, THAT IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT
FOR PEOPLE THAT FEEL THAT
THERE’S A NEED FOR TRUTH IN
TODAY’S DIALOGUE TO COME FORWARD
AND SPEAK OUT.
OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM IS BASED ON
THE FOUNDATION OF TRUTH, AND IF
YOU CAN’T BELIEVE A FEDERAL
JUDGE OR A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE
IN WHAT THEY SAY, THEN WHERE
REALLY IS OUR SWRUJUDICIAL SYSTE
THAT’S WHY I GOT ANGRY WHEN I
SAW HOW BRETT CHARACTERIZED
HIMSELF IN THE "FOX NEWS"
INTERVIEW BECAUSE IT IS NOT
CONSISTENT.
CONSISTENT. IT IS NOT TRUTHFUL, AND THERE IS
NOT A SEPARATE REALITY OF
ALTERNATIVE FACTS.
ALTERNATIVE FACTS. PEOPLE NEED TO SPEAK TRUTH TO
POWER.
POWER. >> AND THE FBI IS GOING TO BE
INVESTIGATING NOW, AND BECAUSE
HIS TESTIMONY ABOUT HOW MUCH HE
DRANK IS NOW RELEVANT, THE FBI
MIGHT AND PROBABLY WILL WANT TO
TALK TO YOU.
LIZ, ARE YOU PREPARED TO TALK TO
THE FBI KNOWING THAT ANY --
ANYTHING THAT YOU SAY THAT’S NOT
TRUE THE FBI COULD BE CONSIDERED
A FEDERAL CRIME?
>> OF COURSE.
I WILL SPEAK TRUTH.
>> AND LYNNE?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. 100%.
100%. I’M VERY CONFIDENT IN WHAT I’VE
BEEN SAYING PUBLICLY.
>> LYNNE BROOKES, LIZ SWISHER,