ON MAKE IT CLEAR WHAT HIS
>> I TAKE HIM AT HIS BORED AT
THAT.
>> SEAN, READING THROUGH YOUR
BOOK AND ALL, YOU EXAMINE A LOT
OF YOUR OWN FLAWS AND PROBLEMS
ALONG THE WAY.
YOU DON'T SEEM TO BLAME THE
PRESIDENT FOR ANYTHING, SO YOU,
GOOD GUY IN THAT REGARD I GUESS
BUT, YOU SAID OF SARAH SANDERS
WERE YOU IMPLYING THERE MAYBE
YOU DID NOT?
>> WELL, CLEARLY I THINK AT THE
BEGINNING, I TALK ABOUT THIS
RIGHT OFF THE BAT THAT MY, I
LOOKED AT THE ROLE INITIALLY IN
VERY TRADITIONAL SENSE,
GATHERING INFORMATION GOING OUT.
SAY DONALD TRUMP BELIEVES
SOMETHING OR THINKS SOMETHING OR
PRESIDENT DOES, HE WANTS TO MAKE
SURE HE HAS INPUT KNOWING
EXACTLY HOW IT IS SAID AND WHAT
WORDS ARE USED TO COMMUNICATE
THAT.
SARAH I THINK HAS DONE MUCH MORE
HE --
NEIL: BUT HE EVOLVED, RIGHT?
HIS OPINIONS AND VIEWS ON
THINGS, SEEMED LIKE A LOT OF
POINT, IF THE ISSUE IS EVOLVING
HE WANED YOU TO CHECK IN, LOOK
THIS ISSUE IS EVOLVING AND
CHANGED.
NEIL: IT EVOLVED IN THE SAME
HOUR YOU WERE SPEAKING TO THE
PRESS SOMETIMES.
>> LOOK.
HE IS VERY CLEAR HOW HE WANTS
THINGS COMMUNICATED.
NEIL: BY THE WAY, DO YOU EVER
WANT TO GO BACK THERE?
>> NO.
I WAS HONORED TO DO THE JOB.
BUT IT WAS UNBELIEVABLY INTENSE
AND, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW,
HAVING DONE IT AND THEN THE SIX
ADVANCE OUR PARTY I WAS READY TO
MOVE ON.
OF THE ENTIRE TEAM FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY THEY GAVE ME.
I THINK SARAH IS DOING GREAT UP
THERE.
NEIL: IT IS FUNNY, A LOT OF
PEOPLE, A "POLITICO" REPORT OUT
TODAY, WONDERING LIFE AFTER
SARAH SANDERS, WHAT HAPPENS, WHO
IS BEING CONSIDERED.
WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THAT?
>> I THINK THIS IS PART OF WHAT
I TOUCH ON IN THE BOOK, NEIL,
THERE IS BECOME THIS CONSTANT
PALACE INTRIGUE USING ANONYMOUS
SOURCES TALKING ABOUT HOW
SOMEBODY FEELS WHAT THEY THOUGHT
OR WHERE THEY'RE GOING NOT BASED
ON NECESSARILY WHAT THAT PERSON
THINKS BUT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE
PEOPLE BELIEVE OTHER PEOPLE
FEEL.
THAT TO ME IS NOT REALLY HELPFUL
IN THE CURRENT DIALOGUE.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I FACE
CONSISTENTLY DURING MY TENURE.
I WRITE EXTENSIVELY ABOUT SO AS
A SPOKESMAN, MY JOB WAS TO SPEAK
ON BEHALF OF OTHER PEOPLE FOR MY
ENTIRE CAREER AND YOU'RE REALLY
NOT SUPPOSED TO WORRY ABOUT YOUR
FEELINGS OR GIVE YOUR SIDE OF
IT.
KIND OF STAYED SILENT THROUGH
THE SEVEN MONTHS IN THE
WHITE HOUSE.
THE BOOK GAVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY
HAD AS THESE NARRATIVES PLAYED
OUT AND MEMES PLAYED OUT.
FIRST TIME I TOOK PEOPLE BEHIND
THE SCENES THROUGH SOME BIG
EVENTS THEY SAW PLAY OUT AND
OF THEIR HEAD, WHAT IS GOING ON
BACK THERE?
HOW IS HE HANDLING THAT?
WHAT IS HE THINKING?
HOW DID HE GET THERE?
THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF DEPTH
AND DECENCY TO YOU JUST AS HUMAN
BEING.
I'M NOT JUST BLOWING YOU SMOKE.
>> THANK YOU.
NEIL: I SEE YOU PUT IN VERY,
VERY TOUGH POSITIONS.
FOR EXAMPLE THE DAY AFTER THE
INAUGURATION, INSISTING THOSE
WERE THE LARGEST CROWDS EVER, I
GUESS WHAT YOU MEANT AT TIME,
WHAT PRESIDENT WAS SAYING AT THE
TIME INCLUDE INTERNET AND
EVERYONE LOGGING IN FROM ALL
OVER THE WORLD, I WILL LEAVE
THAT ASIDE.
YOU DREW THE LINE I THINK ON THE
THE PRESIDENT CALLS IT A
WITCH-HUNT.
EXPLAIN.
HE IS.
I DON'T HAVE PRIVY TO THE
INFORMATION THAT HIS COUNSELS
HAVE.
I READ WHAT I SEE.
I THINK MUELLER HAS ARRESTED
COUNTLESS, OVER 20 RUSSIANS WHO
I THINK THERE IS TWO ISSUES
HERE.
THIS IS WHERE THERE IS
CONFLATING OF ISSUES.
WAS THERE COLLUSION BY ANYONE IN
THE CAMPAIGN WHICH IS THE
CENTRAL PREMISE THAT THE
PRESIDENT IS ACCUSED OF AND HIS
TEAM BEING ATTACKED FOR AND ON
THAT FRONT I AGREE WITH THE
PRESIDENT SO FAR WE'VE SEEN
NOTHING THAT EVEN HINTS --
EVERYTHING GETS LEAKED IN THIS
COLLUSION BETWEEN ANYONE ON THE
CAMPAIGN OF SIGNIFICANCE OR THE
PRESIDENT AND RUSSIA.
THEN THERE IS THE QUESTION OF
MEDDLING.
TO THE INDICTS HE HANDED OUT ON
RUSSIANS ON PEOPLE THAT MEDDLED.
NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE ANY
AFFILIATION OR EVEN BEEN ALLEGED
TO HAVE ANY AFFILIATION WITH THE
TRUMP CAMPAIGN.
NEIL: WE DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING
YET.
>> YOU'RE RIGHT.
NEIL: CALL IT A WITCH-HUNT IS
PROBABLY A BIT PREMATURE?
DIFFERENTLY IN TERMS OF PERSONAL
IMPACT AND WHAT HE KNOWS AND
PRIVY TOO.
THE IDEA AFTER 18 PLUS MONTHS
WHATEVER IT IS NOW, GOING ON TWO
YEARS WHERE YOU HAVE ALL OF THE
INTERVIEWS, EVERY SINGLE THING
LEAKING OUT, THERE IS NO NEXUS
HINTED AT BETWEEN SENIOR FOLKS
IN THE CAMPAIGN AND COLLUSION,
THAT IS DISTINCTLY SEPARATE.
I UNDERSTAND HIS USE OF THE WORD
THERE.
WITH RESPECT TO MEDDLING I THINK
WHAT MUELLER HAS DONE PASSED