>>> I WAS BORN IN ENGLAND, IN
SAME REGION THAT GEORGES
ANCESTORS CAME FROM.
I CAN SAY WITH CONFIDENCE THIS
COUNTRY HAS OFFERED ME
OPPORTUNITIES. I GREW UP POOR.
IN ENGLAND, IN THE 1970s, THIS
WOULD IMPEDED MY ADVANCEMENT.
THIS BACKGROUND HAS NEVER SET ME
BACK TO AMERICA.
WHITE HOUSE ADVISER AND TOP
RUSSIA AIDE DR. FIONA HILL
TESTIFYING BEFORE THE HOUSE
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE.
SHE RECOUNTS HER PERSONAL STORY
IN HER NEW BOOK ENTITLED "THERE
IS NOTHING FOR YOU HERE."
FINDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE
21st CENTURY.
>> THE FORMER SENIOR DIRECTOR
FOR EUROPE AND RUSSIA, JOINS US
NOW.
DR. FIONA AND RICHARD WAS YOUR
BOSS.
>> MY FATHER MENTORED YOU ON ONE
OF YOUR BOOKS BUT YOUR BOOK
ABOUT SIBERIA, WHAT WAS HIS
ADVICE
ADVICE? >> DONâ€™T END UP IN SIBERIA.
>> I CAN HEAR MY DAD SAYING
THAT, CAN YOU JOE?
>> YEAH, I WAS AFRAID SHE WAS
GOING TO SAY WHEN HE GAVE HER
ADVICE ON SIBERIA, YOU WOULD SAY
WHAT ADVICE?
KILL THEM ALL.
I AM GLAD THIS IS LIGHTER.
>> JUST A TINY BIT.
>> HE DOES HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF
HUMAN MORE.
>>
HUMOR.
>> SHE WORKS FOR YOU AND NOW
SHEâ€™S QUITE THE CENTER OF THE
STORM OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS.
>> THE WAY WE MET, I DID THE
BEST RUSSIA EXPERT IN THE UNITED
STATES, WE LOOKED AT EVERYBODY,
FIONA ENDED UP GETTING A JOB.
>> I WAS RIVETED BY YOUR
TESTIMONY. IT WAS INCREDIBLE.
>> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE
ADMINISTRATION YOU MOST RECENTLY
WORK FOR, THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION
ADMINISTRATION. THE QUESTION BEING WHEN I LOOK
AT THEIR POLICY, THERE SEEMS TO
BE A DIFFERENCE OF WHAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS ADVOCATING
AND THE ADMINISTRATION POLICY,
THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION AND THE
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION DONâ€™T SEEM
THAT FAR APART WHERE AS MR.
TRUMP SEEMS QUITE APART FROM THE
ADMINISTRATION.
AM I GETTING SOMETHING WRONG
HERE?
>> BUT, YOU KNOW AS YOU WELL
KNOW AND EVERYBODY KNOWS, THERE
IS A LOT OF CONTINUITY.
FROM ONE ADMINISTRATION TO THE
NEXT, YOU SEE THIS SAME OF
PARTNERS.
ON TRUMP, HIS FIXATION IS PUTIN.
WHAT HE SAW IN PUTIN OF MANY
QUALITIES HE WANTED FOR HIMSELF.
>> ITâ€™S INTERESTING ABOUT THAT.
ABOUT DONALD TRUMPâ€™S
RELATIONSHIP WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN
AND CONGRESS CONTINUEALLY PUSHED
HIM TOWARDS A HARD LINE.
ITâ€™S IRONIC RIGHT NOW THAT TED
CRUZ IS CAUSING CHAOS IN THE
STATE DEPARTMENT AND STOPPING
GOVERNMENT FROM FUNCTIONING
EFFECTIVELY.
HEâ€™S DOING IT BECAUSE JOE BIDEN
LIFTED SANCTIONS THAT WOULD HAVE
STOPPED A PIPELINE THAT IS
VLADIMIR PUTINâ€™S INTERESTS.
>> THE FIXATION ON THAT PIPELINE
WAS MORE ON GERMANY.
ONE OF OUR AMERICAâ€™S CLOSEST
ALLIES. THE PIPELINE GOING FROM RUSSIA
THE PIPELINE GOING FROM RUSSIA
TO JEREMYGERMANY BRINGING NATURA
>> I WONDER YOUR THOUGHTS ON
BIDENâ€™S MOVES ON THAT PREEFBRIEF
GERMANY HAS BEEN SUCH A GOOD
ALLIES IN THE UNITED STATES
ESPECIALLY WEST GERMANY FROM THE
COLD WAR.
I AM WONDERING DO YOU THINK THE
BIDEN ADMINISTRATION WAS TRYING
TO DO A MAKE-GOOD AFTER FOUR
YEARS OF FROSTY RELATIONS
BETWEEN WASHINGTON AND BERLIN,
TRIED TO TAKE THOSE SANCTIONS
OFF AS A MEASURE OF GOOD FAITH
IN THIS COUNTRY TOWARDS MERKEL
AND GERMANY?
>> I THINK CERTAINLY STRONG
ELEMENTS AND RECOGNIZING, BY THE
TIME ITâ€™S PRETTY MUCH FINISHED
AND DELAWYED OF EUROPEAN
COUNTRIES FINDING EXCUSES TO
HOLD IT UP.
EACH ONE OF THESE PIPELINES
BEING BUILT AND CONTEMPORARY
PIPELINES SHOW THAT WE HAVE
LIMITED IMPACTS ON THESE KINDS
OF DECISIONS.
>> LET ME ASK YOU ONE FINAL
QUESTION OF THE PIPELINE.
OBVIOUSLY ITâ€™S HAVING AN IMPACT
ON US BEING ABLE TO GET PEOPLE
INTO THE STATE DEPARTMENTMENT, D
YOU THINK THE BIDEN
ADMINISTRATION MADE A MISTAKE?
SHOULD THEY KEPT SANCTIONS ON
THE PIPELINE?
>> AGAIN, THIS IS PART OF A
PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IN MANAGING
THESE AND THERE IS ALWAYS CLATS
COLLATERAL DAMAGE.
WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING IN
COURT AND THE NATION.
ITâ€™S A DIFFICULT THING TO
MANAGE.
ITâ€™S A DESTRUCTION, THE WHOLE
PIPELINE RIGHT NOW.
WE DO NEED TO HAVE AS MANY
PEOPLE IN PLACE AS WE POSSIBLY
CAN TO ACTUALLY MANAGE WHATâ€™S A
DIFFICULT SET OF FOREIGN
RELATIONS AT THIS PERIOD.
>> YOU KNOW THERE ARE SO MANY OF
US AND I WILL INCLUDE MYSELF
THAT ARE ANGLE-FIDED.
WE LOVE BRITAIN AND EVERYTHING
ABOUT IT.
ITâ€™S INTERESTING WHEN I ROMANTIC
ROMANTICIZE BRITT ANYONE.
ROGER TELLS ME AS MUCH AS HE
LOVES GROWING UP FROM BRITAIN THAT HE SAYS STILL AFTER ALL
THAT HE SAYS STILL AFTER ALL
THESE YEARS EVERY TIME HIS PLANE
LANDS AT JFK.
HE SAYS I FEEL A SENSE OF ENERGY
AND POSSIBILITY THAT ANYTHING IS
POSSIBLE IN THIS COUNTRY. I STILL BELIEVE THE ROADS ARE
I STILL BELIEVE THE ROADS ARE
PAVED WITH GOLD HERE.
HE SAYS HE FEELS SO BLESSED
EVERY TIME HE TOUCHES DOWN THE
UNITED STATES. CAN YOU EXPLAIN YOUR EXPERIENCES
CAN YOU EXPLAIN YOUR EXPERIENCES
AND THE OPPORTUNITIES YOU FEEL HERE IN AMERICA.
HERE IN AMERICA.
>> SENSE OF OPPORTUNITY.
IT WAS A BEACON OF EVERYTHING,
POPULAR CULTURE AND KIND OF A
TEENAGER GOING OFF IN COLLEGE.
EVERYTHING DEFINED BY AMERICA
AND YOU KNOW IF YOU THINK FROM
THE EUROPEAN EXPERIENCE SINCE
WORLD WAR I WHEN AMERICA CAME IN
AND HELPED TURN BACK THE TIDE
AND WORLD WAR I AGAIN AND THE
SECOND TIME AND WORLD WAR II AND
SOMEONE LIKE MYSELF COMING IN
FROM A REMOTE PART OF NORTH OF
ENGLAND WHERE EVERYONE HAD LOST
THEIR JOHNS.
THE IDEA OF COMING TO THE UNITED
STATES AND FINDING A JOB, MY
FIRST BIG JOBS, THAT WAS AN
INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY THAT I
WOULD NOT FIND AT HOME.
>> DR. HILL, ITâ€™S WILLIE GEIST,
ITâ€™S GREAT TO HAVE YOU ON THE
SHOW THIS MORNING. I AM FASCINATED BY YOUR JOB AS
I AM FASCINATED BY YOUR JOB AS
AN NBC NEWS STRINGER IN 1988.
>> I AM MAKING COFFEE FOR BEIRUT
DRIVERS.
>> YOU DID IT ALL.
I AM INTERESTED IN YOUR THOUGHTS
AS SOMEONE ON THE INSIDE WHO
KNOWS BETTER THAN ANYBODY ABOUT
THIS QUESTION THAT HOVERS OVER
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION FOR
FOUR YEARS WHICH WAS WHAT DID
VIEWPOINT HAVE ON DONALD TRUMP
THAT MADE HIM SO DEFERENTIAL AND
MADE HIM NEVER WANT TO CROSS HIM
PUBLICLY OR PRIVATELY AND TO
HAVE DONALD TRUMP SO ENTHRALLED
WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN.
YOU SAID THERE IS NO TEETH OR
NOT A REAL ESTATE DEAL BUT HIS
EGO, WAS THERE ANYTHING PUTIN
HAD ON DONALD TRUMP?
>> OF COURSE WE ALL KNOW THAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP WANTED HIM AS A
BUSINESSMAN AND STILL DOES TO
BUILD A TRUMP TOWER IN MOSCOW
AND SPENT A LOT OF TIME FOCUSING
ON THAT ISSUE.
AND
BUSINESS PERSON OR POLITICIAN OR
ANY PROMINENCE TO RISK.
THE BIGGEST THING WAS THE
ABILITY TO MANIPULATE.
WHAT VLADIMIR PUTIN LIKES TO DO
IS FIND OUT WHAT HE CAN BURST.
WHATâ€™S WHAT HE HONE INTO ON THE
CASE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP.
>> WE ARE LOOKING AT THE VIDEO
AS YOU SPEAK FROM HELSINKI OF
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND PUTIN STAPD
STANDING TOGETHER.
>> THE WORLD IS WATCHING RIGHT
NOW, WILL YOU CRITICIZE VLADIMIR
PUTIN FOR INTERFEREING IN THE
2016 ELECTION, HE INFAMOUSLY
DECLINED TO DO THAT.
WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION?
>> I WAS SITTING RIGHT IN FRONT.
AND FOR ME, OF COURSE THIS WAS
JUST A NIGHT MARE AND EVERYONE
ELSE WATCHING IT AS WELL.
>> FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF
MYSELF AND NONE OF US WHO ARE
WORKING AND SEE AT THE TIME.
WE KNEW PRESIDENT TRUMP DO NOT
WANT TO ADMIT THE RUSSIANS
PLAYED ANY KINDS OF ROLE IN THE
ELECTION.
.
HE WAS AN ILLEGITIMATE
PRESIDENT.
HE DIDNâ€™T WANT TO GIVE ANY
CREDENCE IN THAT KIND OF IDEA
AND HE DIDNâ€™T WANT TO CHALLENGE
PUTIN.
PUTIN IS THE STRONG MIND.
ITâ€™S THE PERSON HE WANTS TO BE
MOST LIKE AND HE WANTED PUTIN TO
LIKE HIM.
? .
>> THE ONE QUESTION, AM I GOING
TO LIKE HIM?
>> YOU MENTIONED THAT IN YOUR
CHALLENGE PUTIN.
DOES VLADIMIR PUTIN RULE AS LONG
AS HE WANTS TO?
HEâ€™S SO CONSOLIDATED POWER AND
WEALTH AND THOSE OF HIS FRIENDS,
WHAT DO RUSSIA REQUESTED OF
VLADIMIR PUTIN?
DOES HE CHANGE IT OR BECOMING
MORE OPEN?
>> WHAT DO YOU LOOK AT THIS
COUNTRY FROM DECADES.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> ITâ€™S RUSSIA FOR THE
>> ITâ€™S RUSSIA FOR THE
FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
PUTINâ€™S STASHING MONEY AWAY AND
ALL THAT CRONIES.
WE HAVE A SYSTEM THATâ€™S IN PLACE
RIGHT NOW.
THATâ€™LL CONTINUE WHILE VLADIMIR
PUTIN IS IN PLACE.
BY WHICH TIME HEâ€™LL GO INTO HIS