though you can't always prevent the
first attack against you it's what you
do from there that matters the outcome
i'm john correa your host here at active
self protection and i welcome you to
today's lesson it comes to us from
sydney australia this is not a paid
endorsement but i am a brand ambassador
for heckler and coke for a reason hk
firearms are incredibly high quality and
when it's time to step up out of the
entry tier they're the only ones i
recommend you carry a gun just in case
shouldn't it be an hk just in case
this guy is our perp right here go read
the news story that i've linked in the
description you can see this guy has no
history no priors nothing like that and
in fact is in some kind of altered
mental state here
especially given what you see in the
news story now he is going to pull a big
honking knife here in a second this is
his target which is an on-duty law
enforcement officer you see him talking
to
a second buddy who is on duty law
enforcement there's a third person uh
who's on duty there that you can't see
who is right off screen and you can see
it's just a busy day in the train
station and as everything goes watch him
just pull that big honking knife and
they they are the ones who froze that
their uh their official release not me
so he stabs the first officer and you
see all the other officers kind of
standing around going oh no what are we
gonna do about seven or eight seconds
later they finally draw firearms and
start telling this guy to put his knife
down
so you can see a grand total of four
officers here the one who is stabbed
kind of fades into the background while
the other three come up two armed with
firearms one armed with a taser and
you're going to see here a an attempt to
use the taser he's going to come forward
a little bit but not real aggressively
so they back off and give him a little
bit of space
and the officer in the middle is going
to be our non-lethal or less lethal tool
here he's going to try to pop this guy
with the taser who's just kind of
sitting there you know thinking about it
and that that's not effective so you can
see him actually dragging the cartridge
along with him next to the officer who
just tried to shoot him he's going to
reload that taser and the second time
that he hits a taser it's very effective
but dude falls off the train uh you know
platform there and on to the tracks so
now these officers have to actually then
get down you see one of them gets down
there and tosses his knife up on the
platform now they're gonna grab his bag
and then start working on getting him
out of there as well if you go read the
news story they did get him out of there
um in time you know they put him in
cuffs got him out of there he wasn't run
over or anything like that
he does face a host of charges ended up
pleading guilty to them said he had no
memory of the incident just went into
total blackout and has no idea why he
did what he did pled guilty to it gonna
do some time we think about lessons if
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web couple things stand out to me right
off the bat here and if you've been a
fan of active self protection for long
you know that the issue of mental health
is near and dear to my heart because of
real personal stuff that's associated
with that so i hope that this man gets
kind of help that he needs to to not
have the kind of blackouts that he had
in this particular instance still it
does not relieve you of the
responsibilities for your actions he
still has to pay for what he did here
even though he was in an altered kind of
mental state second thing is that man i
i don't know there's a whole lot these
officers are going to do to fend off
this first attack because he's waiting
until he gets to a place where he's got
one of their backs and you're not going
to have something where you're going to
have your back to you know a wall all
the time that's just not real life and i
get it these officers are maybe being a
little casual but you know a long day at
work it's a normal day everybody's just
doing normal stuff then you eventually
you're just hey it's a normal day and
i'm not really doing anything major here
right now so i'm just hanging out
all that said you know you may not be
able to fend off the first attack but
it's what you do from there that matters
because we see here again he just comes
up shows that knife at the very last
second and puts it in the back of the
officer now i know some people are going
to ask well wait a minute isn't he
wearing a vest well he very well is
wearing a vest however that vest is not
slash rated it's not stab rated it is
almost certainly a ballistic vest so
it's built for
bullets not built for knives some are
built for both but very rare uh that
they are actually built for both and
very expensive when they are so again
this first one you're going to get going
to probably take that stab here not much
you're going to do but what are you
going to do from there
one big thing that i did notice here is
the normalcy bias from all these other
officers the one goes down and it takes
a full eight seconds and the officer who
is injured is the first one who has his
gun out the other ones takes them quite
some time and we're all subject to
normalcy bias listen i know you say well
i would have done better in those
instances i just want you to recognize
wait a minute
the first step to overcoming normalcy
bias is a radical acceptance of the way
things actually are right now
not going no way this guy doesn't really
have a knife or that's not really
happening or anything like that no
radically accept yes this is what is
going on right now i have to take action
so they get the guns out in case the guy
comes forward again i think that's a
hundred percent the right answer here
and start issuing him commands to try to
put the knife down so you know if we're
looking at you know how are we going to
de-escalate this situation probably
aren't going to be able to because again
you have somebody who we know now has
contaminated thinking uh they are
clearly non-compliant in their behavior
hard to tell in this moment uh you know
but he looks kind of low emotion to me
so now let's think about our bystander
here in the top as as guys have guns out
and a dude's just stabbed a cop and he's
sitting there leaning up against this
rail just kind of watching you know
what's going on do not do that get the
heck out of there or if you're not going
to get out of there you know what's
going on get that hurt officer out of
there and start rendering first aid
don't just stand there and get your
phone out and world start it that is a
terrible idea that endangers everyone
and these things can come around very
very quickly to harm us so don't be a
victim like that instead get the heck
out of the danger zone now next bit that
we're going to see here you see them
kind of make a forward gesture and the
officers give some ground so they
maintain their discretionary time
whether you're an officer or a private
citizen i can't tell you enough
maintaining your discretionary time here
i think is valuable so when you have a
tool like a gun okay fine no other
people that are at risk in the area even
better and the guy kind of shuffles
steps forward so he's not running hard
at you and forcing your hand and
compressing your you know discretionary
time just take a few steps back step off
the line if you can to give yourself
some more time in order to maybe have a
better outcome and that actually did
happen here so we see the officer
finally you know he gets his uh taser
out the conductive electrical weapon
there and he's gonna do his very best
here we've got lethal cover and this is
literally the perfect use case for a
taser this is exactly what we want to
see here that we have lethal cover if
the guy decides to charge because this
is going to probably cause our perp to
act in a pretty significant way
and and unfortunately he doesn't get
both prongs in the guy and and probably
because he's pretty far away from him
here he's probably right at the edge of
the useful range of that taser i know
they say that for the law enforcement
version it'll go up to you know around
25 feet or so but man to get the proper
prong spread that's a little far so
probably why he didn't get that here but
okay they maintain their discretionary
time guy decides to back off and
thankfully there's not a lot of people
though you do see the one to the far
right there there are people there now
the danger here and this is one of the
dangers of using a conductive electrical
weapon is the fact that he falls down
and falls down into the train tracks so
when you lock up someone's muscles like
that now of course you'd lock them up
like that because that's less of a risk
than having to shoot him for sure
and you want to try to get him into
custody but he might fall and hit his
head real hard might fall into a
position or location where it could be a
significant risk to him so it's just
something to keep in mind to try to you
know hit him with the taser if you can
before that then i think these officers
did a really good job then at that point
going oh okay we can get the knife away
from him now the deadly threat is over
let's get him into custody and of course
get him off those train tracks
and and again if you go read the news
stories i've linked in the description
the officer who established said we'll
make a full recovery had some minor
wounds on his back
and uh everyone else here was okay so i
think good outcome good use of the taser
in this particular case good use of
discretionary time good lessons for all
of us as we seek to cover our asp