NOBODY KNOWS HOW MANY PEOPLE
HAVE BEEN ARRESTED LIKE THIS
INDIVIDUAL HERE.
SO WITH THAT, WE BRING IN NIKKI
HALEY, FORMER AMBASSADOR TO THE
U.N. AND AUTHOR OF "DEFENDING
AMERICA WITH GRACE."
VERY GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE
TODAY, AMBASSADOR.
THIS LANGUAGE FROM VLADIMIR
PUTIN, WE’VE HEARD A LOT OVER
THE YEARS FROM HIM.
BUT THE DISCUSSION OF CLEANSING
PEOPLE FROM SOCIETY, CLEANSING
SCUM AND TRAITORS AND HOW PEOPLE
UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN TRUE PATRIOTS AND THESE
INDIVIDUALS.
WHAT DOES THAT EVOKE FOR YOU?
>> WELL, IT’S JUST INTERESTING
BECAUSE NOW HE’S STARTING TO
VERBALIZE WHO HE TRULY IS.
WE ALWAYS KNEW THIS.
WE KNEW THIS WHEN HE HELPED
CLEANSE PEOPLE IN SYRIA WITH
CHEMICAL WEAPONS.
WE’VE SEEN IT THROUGH HIS BRUTAL
ATTACKS WHEN HE’S TRIED TO
POISON POLITICAL OPPONENTS AND
TRIED TO ELIMINATE PEOPLE.
THIS IS NOT ANYTHING NEW FOR HIM
TO THINK LIKE THAT.
IT’S INTERESTING THAT HE HAS
CHOSEN TO VERBALIZE IT, WHICH
LETS US KNOW HE’S SEEING AND
FEELING PRESSURE.
DO I THINK THAT WILL CHANGE HIS
TACTICS?
NO.
YOU’RE SEEING THE REAL VLADIMIR
PUTIN.
I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE HIM AT
HIS WORD.
>> Martha: ANTONY BLINKEN
SUGGESTS THAT IT MIGHT PROVOKE A
CHANGE IN TACTICS BECAUSE
CLEARLY HE IS FRUSTRATED.
THERE’S BEEN REPORTS THAT HE HAS
LET GO SOME OF HIS TOP
INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS, SOME OF
HIS MILITARY OFFICIALS PERHAPS
AS WELL.
HERE’S SECRETARY STATE BLINKEN
ON WHERE THIS MAY BE HEADED.
>> WE HAVE A STRONG SENSE OF
WHAT RUSSIA COULD DO NEXT.
WE BELIEVE THAT MOSCOW MAY BE
SETTING THE STAGE TO USE A
CHEMICAL WEAPON AND THEN FALSELY
BLAME UKRAINE TO JUSTIFY
ESCALATING ITS ATTACKS ON THE
UKRAINIAN PEOPLE.
>> Martha: THIS IS A REAL FEAR,
AMBASSADOR GIVEN THE FRUSTRATION
AND THE STALLING WITHIN UKRAINE.
>> I DON’T THINK SECRETARY
BLINKEN IS OVERDRAMATIZING THIS.
MY CONCERN WAS A FEW DAYS AGO
WHEN PUTIN STARTED TO REFER TO
THE FACT THAT THERE WERE BIO
WEAPONS LABS IN UKRAINE.
THE LAST TIME THAT THEY TRIED TO
PLAY GAMES LIKE THAT WAS
LITERALLY WITH ASAD IN SYRIA.
THEY WOULD USE CHEMICAL WEAPONS
WHEN THEY COULDN’T CONQUER AREAS
THEY WANTED TO CONQUER.
THEY WANT TO GET TO KYIV AND
THEY CAN’T GET THERE.
THIS IS THE PRELUDE FOR HIM
SAYING HE WILL USE CHEMICAL
WEAPONS
WEAPONS AND WIPE THE PEOPLE OUT.
I SAW WHAT CHEMICAL WEAPONS CAN
DO.
IT’S A HORRIFIC DEATH.
YOU’RE CHOKING ON YOUR OWN
FLUIDS.
IT’S HORRENDOUS AND TAKES
EVERYTHING TO A NEW LEVEL IF HE
USES CHEMICAL WEAPONS.
BIDEN AND HIS ADMINISTRATION
NEED TO SAY THAT.
>> Martha: THAT’S THE NEXT
QUESTION.
HOW DO WE STOP HIM FROM DOING
THAT.
WHAT KIND OF RAMIFICATIONS DOES
HE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WOULD
BE PUT IN PLACE IF WE SEE THAT
WARFARE.
>> THIS SHOULDN’T JUST BE A
BIDEN SITUATION.
THIS SHOULD BE AN ALLIANCE
SITUATION.
HE SHOULD GET WITH ALL OF OUR
YOU MEAN ALLIES, GET WITH ANY
ALLIES THAT WE HAVE AROUND THE
WORLD THAT ARE HELPING UKRAINE
AND WE SHOULD SPEAK WITH ONE
VOICE, WHICH IS TO SAY ON THE
FRONT END, DON’T WAIT, BE
REACTIONARY LIKE BIDEN HAS BEEN.
BE ON THE FRONT END.
IF YOU USE CHEMICAL WEAPONS,
YOU’RE ESCALATING THIS TO A
DIDN’T LEVEL.
HE’S SEEN THE SANCTIONS, THE
PRESSURE, THE ISOLATION.
LET HIM KNOW THE WORLD SEES THIS
AS AN ESCALATION IF HE DOES
THAT.
SECONDLY THEY SHOULD TELL CHINA
THAT AS WELL.
IF PUTIN DOES THIS, THAT IS
GOING TO TAKE IT TO A NEW LEVEL
SO THAT CHINA KNOWS EXACTLY
WHERE WE’RE COMING FROM.
>> Martha: PERHAPS THERE’S A
POTENTIAL ON THURSDAY WHEN
PRESIDENT BIDEN GOES TO BRUSSELS
TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
THERE’S BEEN A LOT OF
COORDINATION.
THE WORLD IS HARTENED TO SEE HOW
EVERYBODY SEES THE MOVES OF
VLADIMIR PUTIN.
IT’S CUT AND DRY WHAT’S GOING ON
IN UKRAINE.
IT’S A CLEAR EVIL BEING CARRIED
OUT ON THESE PEOPLE.
WE’RE SEEING A LOT OF
COORDINATION.
WE HOPE IT LASTS IN TERMS OF
ACHIEVING GOAL HERE.
HERE’S PRESIDENT BIDEN TALKING
ABOUT HIS DISCUSSION THAT HE IS
PLANNING TO HAVE TOMORROW WITH
PRESIDENT XI.
>> I THINK WE’RE IN A GENUINE
STRUGGLE BETWEEN AUTOCRACIES AND
DEMOCRACIES AND WHETHER OR NOT
DEMOCRACIES CAN BE SUSTAINED.
I’M SPEAKING TO PRESIDENT XI
TOMORROW.
HE DOES NOT BELIEVE DEMOCRACIES
CAN BE SUSTAINED IN THE 21st
CENTURY.
THINGS MOVE SO RAPIDLY.
DEMOCRACIES DON’T HAVE TIME TO
ARRIVE AT A CONSENSUS.
>> Martha: HOW DO YOU READ WHAT
THINE IS DOING RIGHT NOW AND
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IN THAT
CONVERSATION, AMBASSADOR?
>> MAKE NO MISTAKE THAT CHINA
AND RUSSIA ARE ALIGNED IN THIS.
CHINA AND RUSSIA HAVE BEEN
ALIGNING FOR A WHILE.
THEY HAVE ONE COMMON THOUGHT.
THEY THINK THAT THE U.S. AND THE
WEST ARE THE GREAT SINNERS.
THEY DON’T BELIEVE IN FREEDOM OR
DEMOCRACY.
THEY’RE GOING TO FIGHT IT.
WE KNOW CHINA KNEW THIS WOULD
HAPPEN.
WE KNOW THAT CHINA IS WORKING
WITH RUSSIA.
BIDEN NEEDS TO GO IN THERE
KNOWING THAT HE’S NOT GOING TO
CONVINCE CHINA OTHERWISE.
HE SHOULD BE ISSUING WARNINGS TO
CHINA.
NOT ONLY LET THEM KNOW BUT HE,
IF CHINA EXTENDS A LIFE LINE TO
PUTIN, CHINA WILL PAY A PRICE.
THAT’S THE MESSAGE THAT HE NEEDS
TO SEND.
HE DOESN’T NEED TO LISTEN TO HIM
OR BELIEVE TO HIM.
THEY LIE TO YOU.
THEY TELL YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO
HEAR.
THE GOAL IS YOU TELL THEM WHAT
YOU NEED THEM TO HEAR.
THAT’S WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
>> Martha: A LOT OF AMERICANS
ARE SCRATCHING THEIR HEADS OVER
THE FACT THAT RUSSIA IS AT THE
TABLE WITH IRAN TRYING TO REVIVE
THE IRAN NUCLEAR DEAL.
THEY’RE NEGOTIATING ON OUR
BEHALF.
HOW COULD THIS POSSIBLE?
HOW IS PUTIN WORKING WITH OUR
GOVERNMENT ESSENTIALLY TO GET AN
IRAN DEAL?
HOW CAN THAT BE HAPPENING?
>> IT’S SO OUTRAGEOUS.
IT’S TONE DEAF.
THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD HAVE A
WAR CRIMINAL AT THE NEGOTIATING
TABLE WITH THE NUMBER 1 STATE
SPONSOR OF TERRORISM IS JUST
RIDICULOUS.
WE ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT EVEN BE
THINKING ABOUT AN IRAN DEAL AT
THIS POINT WHEN WE’VE SEEN WHAT
IRAN HAS DONE RECENTLY TRYING TO
ATTACK U.S. EMBASSIES.
WE SHOULD ALSO LOCK AT THE FACT THAT DON’T LIFT THE TERRORSHIP
THAT DON’T LIFT THE TERRORSHIP
LABEL ON THE IRGC.
THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE WITH
KILLING OVER 600 AMERICAN
SOLDIERS AT LEAST.
THAT’S JUST CURRENTLY.
SO WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK
AT ARE YOU REALLY WILLING TO
SELL YOUR SOUL FOR THE IDEA TO
SAY THAT YOU GOT INTO A DEAL
THAT IS NOT EVEN GOOD?
START THINKING ABOUT WHO YOU’RE
WORKING WITH.
YOU CAN’T SLEEP WITH THE DEVIL
OR THE DEVIL WILL OWN YOU.
I WILL SAY THAT TO THE LAST
BREATH THAT I HAVE.
THE FACT THAT BIDEN CONTINUES TO
TALK TO CHINA, IRAN, RUSSIA, TO
THE IRANIANS, IT’S LUDICROUS.
ALL HE IS DOING IS MAKING THE
WORLD MORE DANGEROUS AND MAKING