Kick up a chair and grab a slice of pizza, because this theory hits the jackpot.
Hello, internet!
Welcome to Game Theory, a show I've shamelessly stolen from the devilishly handsome MatPat.
But, you know what I love more than MatPat?
Devil May Cry.
Sorry, MatPat, but that Dante...
No, no, the other one.
Well, he keeps his mouth shut at least, but no, the other one.
That's not even the same series!
There we go.
This guy right here is, like, the coolest character ever!
He's cocky, he's confident, but you can always tell he actually has the power to back it up...
...and in no way comes off as insecure and pathetic.
Ahe-Ahem.
But, you know what else makes Dante so cool?
Hideki Kamiya intentionally left much of the character's history and mystery... to make him cooler.
But you know one thing that, to this day, we still don't know about Dante?
His age.
Yeah, even today the series has never told us how old Dante is, or even what year the games take place in.
But, there are hints given in some of the games, developer interviews and a couple of fan theories...
...that will help us work out Dante's rough age in each installment.
Sure, it may ruin some of the mystique of the character but come on, this is the internet and if the internet is good for one thing, it's ruining things.
That... sounded a lot better in my head...
Moving on.
But before we workout Dante's age, we need to establish the chronological timeline for the series.
Yes, a Game Theory about working out a timeline. Never seen that before...
Devil May Cry series consists of five games, three novels, two comics, a manga, and an animated series.
So, we remove adaptations, the decanonised first novel and anything related to that god-awful reboot story...
...and then arrange those that remain into chronological order.
We have the first game...
The second game is a sequel.
The second novel is a prequel to the second game.
The third game is a prequel to the first game.
The manga is a prequel to the third game.
The fourth game falls between one and two.
And the anime is set between one and four.
And you thought Five Nights at Freddy's had a convoluted timeline.
But, much like the FNAF timeline, there is one other major event that occurs before any of the games, that is key to working everything out.
The death of Dante's mother when he was a child.
Hey, you get out of here, reboot story. You're not part of this.
Go on.
Shoo!
Ugh, like staring into a backed-up toilet, indeed.
And can I just ask, why was a reboot necessary?
I mean, it's not like the series was doing poorly...
...or had been absent for a thousand years, like some other Capcom franchises I could mention, but won't and will instead show you.
I mean, did anyone really ask for this?
Let's ask a random person on the street and get his take on the reboot.
"I never asked for this."
And thatm loyal theorists, is what we call a pointless tangent.
Kinda describes the reboot as a whole, doesn't it?
*Rimshot, Canned Laughter*
So anyway, with the chronological events mapped out, we're ready to start theorising.
the first step is to gather any available information from the canonical
stories themselves
so let's start with devil may cry 3 what Dante says it's been nearly a year since
we last met the meeting Dante refers to is actually depicted in the manga
pleasing devil may cry 3 1 year afterwards
next in the first game Trish says you're the man who lost a mother and a brother
to evil 20 years ago
Trish could very well be running or part down to 20 as a rough number really
plays into anywhere between 17 and 22 poor since 22 number way given it really
is just as likely to actually be 20 years and the other number in that range
and around the 20th anniversary of his mother's death
don't seem like the perfect time to send a demon modeled after her to manipulate
him
I'm inclined to believe trip to be specific and it really has been 20 years
since either died
photos opening cutscene and DMC for special edition claims his village of
the ton of Fortuna takes place a few decades before the main game when
exactly virtual visits it is unclear though so we'll leave it aside for now
and finally the novel's epilogue states that several months have passed since
yada yada yada before leading directly into the events of devil may cry right
so so the novel in the game take place several months apart possible within the
same year and that's actually it for explicit in story sources
well there is one other ball well we'll get to that
for now though let's look over one particular detail that is merely implied
see in the manga there is a scene in which Arkham tell started his twin
brother Virgil about a woman who was murdered by demons on the outskirts of
town 10 years prior
that seems like an oddly specific thing to include until you take a closer look
up to or the scenes first is a flashback / hallucination Virgil eyes which shows
Virgil as a child and oddly naked child
Thank You Japan being attacked by demons in a graveyard while house burns in the
distance
there's nothing else around in the house but this graveyard must be close to some
sort of settlement since it's not just for one or two people
it's almost as if this was on the outskirts of town
so we now have reason to believe that six was talking
about some different versions passed but what about that other scene i mentioned
well earlier on in the manga dance a has his own flashback this once the death of
his mother
you want to know what's notable about the scene Virgil isn't present which
seems to suggest that these two flashbacks are actually going back to
the same point in time
let's also keep in mind that the boy's father the spotter had recently passed
away as well
so perhaps virtual was visiting his father's grave alone one day his brother
mother still at the house when the demons attacked and evil was killed but
that's just dirt wait no this is a smaller theory is part of the larger
main theory
ok I got it so these three scene suggests that art was talking about
Eva's death which occurred 10 years before making the event of DMC 19 years
at the DMV three
okay now we're getting somewhere there's also a normal piece from outside of the
series itself
when asked on Twitter how old his dancing was GD kamiya who only works on
the first game responded with similar in age to Cobra
no not that Cobra this Cobra start of the nineteen seventy-eight manga of the
same name and one of the main inspirations for dentists character
early on in the series
Cobra visit his own grave which Martin was 24 when he faked his death which was
five years before the series starts making him 29
now keep in mind that this is not exact come here specifically said similar in
age part is pretty solid in for non the less and will be helpful later on to
verify our findings
so now we've managed to work out the amount of time between everything from
the death of dancers mother also the events of the first game
but the next step is working out when dmc4 takes place at the animes placement
is reliant on the two games fall between to work out a time frame of DNT for we
need to look at one of those non-canon sauces the DMC for novelization see a
lot of plants story elements with cock from BMC for during development
perhaps the most important of which was new protagonist Nero's mysterious link
to dance his bloodline
well the novel by the game scenario writer after he left , reveals that
narrow is actually the son of Virgil the community of these detailed remains
hotly debated amongst fans but for the sake of this timeline we need to assume
that this particular detail is canon as that was the time friend of developers
had in mind when making the game
ok I don't want to see rage was down in the comments over whether or not
Virgil turned his blue orbs in two red ones with a human makes sense with his
character
it totally doesn't by the way so if Virgil is near or far though what does
that mean for our timeline where else is Virgil is trapped in the demon world
from the end of dmc3 up to the events of the first game where he dies
it's obvious that Nero would have been conceived prior to the third game since
Virgil would presumably spend more time with our commander plant grew closer to
fruition
my guess is that virtual visit of Fortune shortly before or after first
meeting argument the manga if not receive in that year you will be bond
closer to dmc3 than the manga
it's also states that narrow and 4 is the same age Dante wasn't three
if Nero was born around three and his team c 3 . is a joint for mt4 Dante is
double the each he was during three
so what do we know about Dante's agent these two games producer hiroyuki
kobayashi has gone on record as saying that Dante is in his teens join DNT
three and in his thirties and approaching 40 and dmt for approaching
far to suggest somewhere between 37 39
with that information we now have to pass we can take to work out the two
ages
first of all the DMC for novel suggest that virtual partner's sexual escapades
was a prostitute
I'm sure can't comment want to provide any unfortunate implications related to
underage sex and with their proven desire to appeal to the American market
I think it's safe to assume they would have wanted to avoid a kerfuffle
by not having virtual people over the age of consent anywhere in the US
all US states age of consent between 16 and 18 years old
if he is 18 that allows Virgil to be of age all across the country while still
being a teenage 19 journey and t3
the second method is to look over our range of DMC for ages since no specific
pages are gears are ever given i think we can assume that no characters ages
would ever include a decimal point instead always being a full number or
put another way
no current or whatever be considered 18 and a half
only 18 or 19 this means that near own dmc3 Dante's ages must be four numbers
doubling which always results in an even number on the only even number within
that age ranges 38
both of these methods find one unanimous conclusion
tmc3 Dante's 19 years old and dmz for Dan say is 38 years old but map I
pretend to hear you ask
what about the other piece of information from one of the official
sources
first of all well don't remember and after all this time has passed since i
mentioned it a second
I think you have bigger problems and not knowing how or Dante is if you didn't
notice that you just called me map but their theorists philosophy will get you
everywhere
well earlier i cited the DMV for an organization as a sauce despite its
dubious canonicity but that novel also makes the claim that virtual visits of
Fortuna was sixteen to seventeen years before the MC for now while I accept the
relationship between the two is being mostly can I don't accept this
particular piece if Virgil's they're 16 to 17 years ago the narrow was bought
almost a year later making him 15 to 16 and I could maybe buy that you supposed
to be 16
but that would mean that one if tmc3 virtually heroes age then monger virtual
busy
a young with enough for the conception 14 to 15 and his partner is said to have
been a prostitute
remember those age of consent laws and so don't believe that age would make be
empty for Dante 32 32
now I can buy that Dante can survive being impaled through the chest in
almost every game but he does not look like he's in his early thirties and DNT
four
so I'm inclined to disregard this one piece and move on if we assume that much
more reasonable ages i found then
Downton Virgil and 19 DNT 3-1 year to reach 18 for the manga
- another 10 to get eight when their mother died plus 20 to get 28 your
Indian see one and double 19 to reach 38 for dmc for looking at these numbers the
are consistent with what we have so far 28 is about the same age as Cobra was
2919 is considered a teenager was Dante's states to be in DNT 338 falls
right in the middle of our nearly 40 range from DNT four and a few decades
sounds are equipped for 19 years and now all of a sudden we're almost done
now that we know Dante is a joint dmc1 and dmc4 we also know that there is a
ten-year gap between the two which allows us to try and place the enemy
into our timeline for this i have gathered three clues to help us place
the anime
first of all counties were in his dmt one attire instead of his dmc4 outfit
suggestion the animaker is closer to one then for saw somewhere within the first
five years
second after Johnny don t is sharp at the end of DMC one trip she got fed up
with down to his attitude and gone solo this kind of relationship breakdown most
likely took a while to occur so i would guess at least a year has passed since
trace giant dancing and finally lady in the series resembles her dmc3 farm rd mt
fall lady has the last say kalina on isn't the only ballistic weapons parking
50ml I'm saying you are in more professional terms her breasts and
buttocks are filled out quite noticeably compared to our original design
since her anime self resembles her dmc3 teen self and yes she is a team her off
in the manga is clearly a school uniform
she isn't likely to blue not like this in just a few short years
as such i would give her as many years as possible to reach that level and
since at least a year has passed since teams you want
I would give her the full nine years to grow making down to 29 during the anime
haha you won't find that level of the doctrinal skill on death note is that
something people talk about death note always grab a snake just too old and out
of touch with the kids these days
so what's left in our timeline just DMC two in the second novel but there's
really nothing about its place aside from its position and call by actually
claiming dmt to is far after dmt for you see Virgil
even with the key so far but dmt to mostly forget about them as well as what
game design but i have managed to find something that will put the final two
piece into place in our timeline puzzle take a quick look back at Dante's ages
throughout the series eight eighteen nineteen twenty-eight twenty-nine thirty
eight
notice anything every time the last digit of Dante's ages and Pete something
of note occurs in his life
if this part and holds then we can safely assume that DMC to takes place
when Dante is 48 years old or does it
that was my original conclusion back in June right fully compiled my findings
but then I decided to try and finalize the animes place in the timeline which
left me with two ages were nine is the final digit so what if Dante's actually
fought to a teacher in the novel he has a non mentioned birthday before the
epilogue and is farting not enjoying it and DMC -
so with that my final time line goes a little something like this
2000b d a demon named sparta betrays his own kind to protect humanity he defeats
a demon king - in battle and spend the next two millennia protecting humanity
before settling down with the woman named Eva 0ad even gives birth to spot
is twin suns Virgil and Dante 8ad spotted eyes and the families attacked
by demons
eva is killed and the brothers are separated 18 ad
Virgil meet our command the to begin work on a plan to obtain power while out
on a job
Dante lines of Virgil is still alive virtual visits the city of Fortuna to
investigate the art of the sword
Arkham sacrifices his wife prompting their daughter married to become a demon
hunter and seek revenge
19 ad narrows Bona Fortuna Dante's times to open a demon hunting business before
Virgil and Harkins plants go into motion with help from mary hartman virtually
defeated down to obtain his father sword and Virgil remains in the demon world
where he challenges and is defeated by the demon king
Dante opened his shop under the name devil may cry
28 ad Dante is visited by a demon named trish who resembles his mother she
informed him that modest was attempting to return
Dante defeat his corrupted brother and then the demon king himself
Trish Giants Dante and his partner 29a do
Trish briefly leaves devil may cry to become a solo demon hunter
Dante is hired to protect a young girl named party until the demons hounding
her are killed 38 ad
Dante travels to fortuna to investigate the art of the sword he fights against
and alongside narrow and defeats the order
leaving Virgil saw Danny Rose possession for safekeeping
48 ad Dante was with a woman named barrel to stop a plot involving artifact
known as the beasts heads 49 ad
Dante is hired by a huntress named lucia to help stop the resurrection of the
demon Argos acts by the business mogul
arias are you some diver sucks are both killed
Dante's last seen traveling deeper into the demon world to possibly never return
but hey that's just a theory
a game theory thanks for watching
welcome back to the Super reason and argument but we're looking at the
devilishly beautiful babes of devil may cry which one is your favorite
do you prefer the OG DMC gal the leggy beauty Trish are you may be looking for
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every girl like da offer some added variety maybe prefer girl with
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just don't expect to get the result anytime soon
this video is a nightmare to it and I have newfound respect for running for
making this look so easy
granted i was probably doing every single thing wrong
so there's that to consider anyway I hope you enjoyed the video and thanks
for sitting through it despite my awful delivery here
sorry about that maybe you'll want to clean your palate after this so why not
check out some real game theory episodes like this one on the mario timeline for
the first three on five nights at Freddy's the next enough there is just
around the corner so now is the perfect time for a refresher
I have gotten a say so I'll just start now