PERSECUTED IN YOUR HOME COUNTRY, THATS WHAT IT TAKES TO HAVE AN
ASYLUM.
ASYLUM.
>> ALL RIGHT.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES ANNOUNCED TO THE WORLD
THIS MORNING VIA TWITTER THAT
THE NUCLEAR THREAT FROM NORTH
KOREA IS OVER. ITS NOT. OVER.
ITS NOT. PRESIDENT TRUMP MADE THIS
ANNOUNCEMENT ONCE BACK ON U.S.
SOIL THIS MORNING VIA TWITTER.
YOU CAN SEE IT ON YOUR SCREEN. IT WAS ONE OF SEVERAL TWEETSN.
IT WAS ONE OF SEVERAL TWEETS CELEBRATING THE SUMMIT WITH KIM
JONG-UN.
JONG-UN.
THE DOCUMENT SIGNED BY THE PRESIDENT AND KIM JONG-UNE
PRESIDENT AND KIM JONG-UN REAFFIRMS EFFORTS TO
DENUCLEARIZE THE PENINSULA BUT
GIVES NO SPECIFICS AND LAYS OUT NO TIME LINES FOR EFFORTS TOOUT
NO TIME LINES FOR EFFORTS TO EVEN BEGIN, NEVER MIND WHEN THEY
ARE GOING TO CONCLUDE.
THE PRESIDENT SAYS NORTH KOREA
IS NO LONGER A NUCLEAR THREAT,
BUT FOR FACTS SAKE, I WANT TO LOOK AT THE STATUS OF KIMT TO
LOOK AT THE STATUS OF KIM JONG-UNS NUCLEAR ARSENAL AND
WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO TRULY
DENUCLEARIZE IT SO THERE IS NO
THREAT.
ANALYSIS BY THE DEFENSE
INTELLIGENCE AGENCY PUTS THE
NUMBER OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS HELD
BY NORTH KOREA IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD OF 60 BOMBS.
BUT THE BIGGEST POINT, WE DONT
KNOW THE FULL EXTENT OF KIM JONG-UNS NUCLEAR STOCKPILE, AND
THERE WERE NO PUBLIC DISCLOSURES
OF THAT NUMBER AT THE SUMMIT.
THE IRAN DEAL, I WANT TO REMIND
YOU SOMETHING.
YOU SOMETHING.
IRAN NEVER HAD A NUCLEAR WEAPON.
NOT EVEN ONE. NORTH KOREA ACTUALLY HAS THEM.
THE BOMBS ARE A SERIOUS THREAT
WHEN COUPLED WITH NORTH KOREAS
ADVANCES IN ROCKET TECHNOLOGY. THE LATEST MISSILE IS BELIEVED
TO HAVE PUT WASHINGTON D.C.
WITHIN RANGE.
WITHIN RANGE. WHATS THE PATH TO
DENUCLEARIZATION?
DENUCLEARIZATION? WELL, FOR THE UNITED STATES ITS
BASED ON A CONCEPT KNOWN AS
CVID.
CVID.
COMPLETE VERIFIABLE,
IRREVERSIBLE DENUCLEARIZATION OF
NORTH KOREA.
THAT REQUIRES THE REGIME TO
FIRST OF ALL REVEAL ALL OF ITS NUCLEAR PROGRAMS, ALLOW WEAPONS
INSPECTORS IN, GIVE THEM ACCESS
TO THE WHOLE COUNTRY AND DISABLE
ALL OF THE NUCLEAR SITES
PERMANENTLY.
DENYING NORTH KOREA ANY NUCLEAR POTENTIAL.RTH KOREA ANY NUCLEAR
POTENTIAL.
NONE OF THATS IN THE AGREEMENT.
JUST A PLEDGE TO WORK TOWARD DENUCLEARIZATION.WORK TOWARD
DENUCLEARIZATION.
ITS NOT BAD, BUT THATS NOT A NUCLEAR THREAT BEING OVER. A
NUCLEAR THREAT BEING OVER. THERE ARE NO STEPS LAID OUT.
NO CONDITIONS.
NO CONDITIONS. NOT EVEN AN OUTLINE HAVE BEEN
PUT FORWARD IN THIS PROPOSAL.
ACCORDING TO EXPERTS AT STANFORD
UNIVERSITY, DENUCLEARIZATION
UNIVERSITY, DENUCLEARIZATION
COULD TAKE UP TO 15 YEARS TO COMPLETE.E UP TO 15 YEARS TO
COMPLETE.
NORTH KOREA COULD RESTART IT AT ANY TIME DURING THAT 15 YEARS.T
ANY TIME DURING THAT 15 YEARS. I WANT TO PUT THAT INTO
PERSPECTIVE.
PERSPECTIVE.
DONALD TRUMP SENT OUT A TWEET
THATS VERIFIABLY NOT TRUE.
JOINING ME NOW, MALCOLM NANCE AND MELISSA HANNOM.COLM NANCE
AND MELISSA HANNOM. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
MALCOLM, LET ME START WITH YOU.
ITS JUST DANGEROUS AND BAD FOR
THE PRESIDENT TO SEND OUT A
TWEET THAT SUGGESTS THAT PERHAPS
THE MOST IMPORTANT SECURITY
GLOBAL SECURITY ISSUE IN THE
WORLD IS SOMEHOW SETTLED BECAUSE
HE HAD A LITTLE MEETING WITH KIM
JONG-UN.
JONG-UN.
>> YEAH.
YOURE RIGHT. THE WEAPONS SYSTEMS WHICH BELONG
TO NORTH KOREA, INTERMEDIATE
RANGE BALLISTIC MISSILES,
THEATER, BATTLE FIELD LEVEL
BALLISTIC MISSILES WHICH HAVE A
LOFTABLE NUCLEAR WARHEAD WHICH
WE NOW KNOW WORKS.
THOSE WEAPONS SYSTEMS WORK.
THEY HAVE DETONATED THE
REQUISITE FIVE TEST ATOMIC BOMBS
THAT MOST NATIONS TEST WITH.
THEY DONT NEED TO TEST THEM
ANYMORE.
ANYMORE.
THOSE WEAPONS STILL TWIST THIS MORNING.APONS STILL TWIST THIS
MORNING.
THEY WERE NOT TAKEN OFF OF LINE.
WE DONT KNOW WHO HAS
OPERATIONAL CONTROL OF THOSE OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT THEY
HAVE A SUPREME LEADER, KIM
JONG-UN.
JONG-UN.
BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN THAT
SOMEONE MAY NOT TAKE CONTROL OF THEM AND LAUNCH THEM.CONTROL OF
THEM AND LAUNCH THEM. THESE THINGS ARE VIABLE,
OPERATIONAL WEAPONS, AND WE
CANNOT JOKE ABOUT IT.
WE CANNOT JUST BLITHELY SAY THEY
DONT EXIST ANYMORE, BECAUSE
THEY DO.
THEY DO. >> MELISSA, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING
ABOUT THE CDID PROCESS, COMPLETE
VERIFICATION AND THE PROCESSES
YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
MIKE POMPEO ACTUALLY SAID THE
OTHER DAY THAT THATS THE BASIC
CONDITION UNDER WHICH WE WOULD
ACCEPT A DEAL WITH NORTH KOREA.
HAVE YOU SEEN ANYTHING ABOUT
THAT COME OUT IN THE LAST FEW
DAYS AS A RESULT OF THIS
MEETING? THIS COMPLETE
VERIFIABLE DENUCLEARIZATION?
VERIFIABLE DENUCLEARIZATION? >> THERES BEEN NOTHING LIKE
THAT WRITTEN INTO THE DOCUMENT
SHARED WITH THE PUBLIC, IN
EITHER ENGLISH OR KOREAN. IN FACT, WHAT THEY SEEM TO HAVE
DONE IS TAKEN NORTH KOREAS
DEFINITION
DEFINITION DEFINITION, DENUCLEARIZATION OF
THE KOREAN PENINSULA AND MASHED
IT TOGETHER WITH THE AMERICAN
CALL FOR COMPLETE IRREVERSIBLE
VERIFIABLE DISMANTLEMENT.
VERIFIABLE DISMANTLEMENT. BY VAGUELY COMING UP WITH TWO
TERMS THAT NEITHER GROUP FULLY
AGREE ON IS KIND OF RISKY
TERRITORY TO BE IN.
BECAUSE ITS VERY EASY TO CREATE
THE KIND OF MISUNDERSTANDINGS
THAT MAY LEAD TO A FAILURE SOON.
>> MALCOLM, IT STRIKES ME THAT
THE PRESIDENT HAD A LOT OF
THINGS ABOUT THIS MEETING THAT
HE COULD CROW ABOUT, THAT WERE
GROUND BREAKING, THAT WERE
INTERESTING AND FOR BETTER OR
WORSE AND LOTS OF REASONS WEVE
HEARD FROM MEMBERS OF THE BUSH
ADMINISTRATION AND THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION, THIS SORT OF
MEETING DIDNT PLACE.
TO SET THAT OUT THERE AND SAY
WERE ON A ROAD TO GOING DOWN
TOWARD SOMETHING THAT COULD BE
GOOD AND MAKING THE WORLD A
SAFER PLACE WOULD HAVE BEEN A
GOOD IDEA.
GOOD IDEA.
ONCE AGAIN, ITS AN UNFORCED ERROR.GAIN, ITS AN UNFORCED
ERROR.
THE PRESIDENT IS CAUSING US TO FACT CHECK HIM AND LET THE WORLD
KNOW THAT SOMETHING MAY HAVE
HAPPENED IN THAT MEETING IN
SINGAPORE, BUT THIS WAS THE CVID
THAT MIKE POMPEO AND THE
ADMINISTRATION PUT OUT AS A GOAL
IS NOT THE THING.
>> THATS CORRECT.
WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A FIRST
START.
START.
I WONT FAULT ANY LEADER FOR
TRYING TO CREATE A CIRCUMSTANCE
WHERE WE HAVE WORLD PEACE.
THATS AWESOME.
WHAT WE CANT DO IS WE CANT DO IT BLINDLY.T DO IS WE CANT DO
IT BLINDLY. WE CANT DO IT FAR PHOTO OP.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE
IS A SYSTEM AND STRUCTURE IN
PLACE.
PLACE.
THIS NATION NORTH KOREA IS A DICTATORSHIP.ORTH KOREA IS A
DICTATORSHIP.
IT IS A TOTALITARIAN ONE MAN
NATION THAT CAN HIDE ANYTHING.
THEYRE MASTERS AT BIGGING
TUNNEL -- DIGGING TUNNELS.
THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO HIDE AND PRETEND LIKE THEYREO HIDE
AND PRETEND LIKE THEYRE DESTROYING FACILITIES.
DESTROYING FACILITIES. LIKE THEYRE PLUTONIUM CENTER.
THEY HAVE MASTERED MASKING
EVERYTHING THEY WILL DO.
THEY REALLY DONT HAVE TO DISARM
AT ALL.
AT ALL. THEY HAVE VIABLE STRATEGIC
ATOMIC WEAPONS, AND THATS ALL
THEY NEEDED TO GET THE PRESIDENT
OF THE UNITED STATES TO EAT OUT
OF THEIR HANDS.
>> MELISSA, IS THIS GOOD OR BAD
THAT WERE IN THIS DIALOGUE?
A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO WE WERE
WATCHING PICTURES OF KIM JONG-UN
TOURING SINGAPORE, ANNOUNCING
MEETINGS WITH THE LEADER, WITH
THE FOREIGN MINISTER OF RUSSIA.
HES TAKING A MEETING WITH
BASHAR AL ASSAD.
BEAL
BEAL BILL NEELY WAS SAYING WEVE
HELPED REMOVE KIM JONG-UN FROM
INTERNATIONAL ISOLATION TO COME
DEGREE.
DEGREE.
GOOD OR BAD?
>> I THINK HAVING LOW-LEVEL, IMMEDIATEMEDIUMNG LOW-LEVEL,
IMMEDIATEMEDIUM MEDIUM-LEVEL, AND HIGH-LEVEL
TALKS WITH NORTH KOREA IS A GOOD
IDEA.
IDEA.
THE REASON THIS HASNT BEEN DONE IS BECAUSE HES THE EXACTEN DONE
IS BECAUSE HES THE EXACT REPREHENSIBLE PERSON THAT
MALCOLM HAS ALREADY DESCRIBED.
RATHER, WEVE PUT HIM UP ON A
PEDESTAL NOW AS A LEGITIMATE
LEADER IN THE WORLD WHO IS
BELOVED AND ALL THOSE PHOTOS
ENDED UP ON NORTH KOREAN PROP
GRAN DA THE NEXT DAY.
KIM JONG-UN WITHOUT PROMISING
ANYTHING SHORT OF WORKING TOWARD
A VERY VAGUE GOAL THAT IS NOT IN
ANY WAY DEFINED HAS COME BACK
WITH A HUGE DOMESTIC WIN FOR
HIMSELF.
HIMSELF.
BECAUSE HES ALREADY TOLD HIS
PEOPLE THAT HES SATISFIED WITH HIS NUCLEAR PROGRAM AND HESITH
HIS NUCLEAR PROGRAM AND HES SATISFIED WITH THE MISSILES THEY
HAVE, AND ALL HE HAS TO DO NOW
IS FOCUS ON THE ECONOMICS.
SO THE MORE LEGITIMATE HE LOOKS
MEANS THE MORE HES GOING TO BE
ABLE TO BRING FOREIGN
INVESTMENT, LOWER SANCTIONS
ENFORCEMENTS AND BRING THAT
SECOND GOAL TO HIS PEOPLE.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THIS
SETS UP A PRECEDENCE TO ALL
THOSE STATES THAT MAY BE
THINKING THEY MAY WANT TO HAVE
NUCLEAR WEAPONS SOMEDAY.
NORTH KOREA IS NOW THE
PRECEDENT, IF YOURE A TWO-BIT
DICTATOR, YOU CAN SIT ON STAGE
WITH DONALD TRUMP.
>> YEP, WITH THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES.
MALCOLM, IS THERE SOMETHING TO
BE SAID FOR THE FACT THAT KIM
JONG-UN DIDNT SEEM TO GIVE UP
ANYTHING, BUT WE THE PRESIDENT,
AND THERE WAS BACK AND FORTH
ABOUT WHAT WE ARE GIVING UP, BUT
TALK ABOUT SUSPENDING THE
MILITARY EXERCISES.
MILITARY EXERCISES.
>> ITS A STRATEGIC LOSS FOR THE UNITED STATES.EGIC LOSS FOR THE
UNITED STATES. I DONT KNOW HOW ANY PRESIDENT
OF THE UNITED STATES CAN SAY
THAT U.S. MILITARY EXERCISES ARE
TO USE THE PARLANCE OF A
DICTATOR, WAR GAMES AND THEYRE
COSTLY AND EXPENSIVE AND
PROVOCATIVE.
PROVOCATIVE. PROVOCATIVE IS THE WORT NORTH
KOREA HAS BEEN USING TO DEFINE
U.S. EXERCISES DOWN THERE.
IT IS CRITICAL FOR THE DEFENSE
OF THE PENINSULA, FOR THE
DEFENSE OF ASIA AND FOR U.S.
STRATEGIC PASTURE WORLDWIDE TO
TRAIN.
TRAIN.
AND DONALD TRUMP DOESNT SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN A B-1EM TO
UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN A B-1 LANCER BOMBER FLIES FROM GUAM
AND TAKES UP THE STATIONARY
POSITION OFF OF THERE, GOES TO
SOUTH KOREA, DOES A SIMULATED
BOMBING RUN OR A REAL LIVE
BOMBING WEAPON RUN AND GOES
BACK, THAT MAINTAINS THE
OPERATIONAL READINESS OF THE
U.S. FORCES TO FIGHT A WAR.
AND IF HE BELIEVES NOW BECAUSE
HE HAS GONE THERE, WE CAN JUST
GET RID OF THAT, I DONT BELIEVE
IT.
IT.
I THINK HE GAVE IT UP JUST TO
GET THIS PHOTO OP FOR KIM JONG-UN, AND NOW HES TRYING TO
JUSTIFY IT TO HIS BASE WHILE THE
U.S. MILITARY SHOULD EITHER
WITHDRAW FROM THE KOREAN
PENINSULA OR SHOULD STOP THESE
EXERCISES.
EXERCISES.
>> AND I GUESS THAT --
>> ITS A GREAT LOSS. >> THATS UNCLEAR NOW THAT MIKE