HERE.
THAT IS WHY I WAS CONCERNED
ABOUT THE PRESIDENT TAKING A
STEP IN REGARDS EXERCISES THAT
HE DID.
NEIL: THE FORMER DEPUTY
SECRETARY OF DEFENSE UNDER
GEORGE W. BUSH.
AMBASSADOR, VERY GOOD TO HAVE
YOU BACK.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF WHAT HE
SAYING?
GO SLOW.
I THINK IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THE MAIN HOPE OUT OF THIS OUT OF
THIS ASSEMBLY WILL RESULT LATER
IN SOMETHING BETTER WILL RESULT
LATER.
THE LIST OF PEOPLE PLEASED BY
THE MEETING, OBVIOUSLY KIM JONG
UN LOVETT, THE CHINESE LOVE IT,
THE LEFT-WING PRESIDENT HAS
SOUTH KOREA ABOVE THAT.
I DON'T THINK THE JAPANESE ARE
TERRIBLY HAPPY.
I DON'T THINK THE SOUTH KOREANS
WHO COME ON AMERICA FOR DEFENSE
ARE HAPPY AND I'M QUITE SURE THE
NORTH KOREAN REFUGEES WHO WAS SO
WISELY APPLAUDED AT THE STATE OF
THE UNION IN ESCAPING FROM NORTH
KOREAN PRISON IS NOT GOING TO BE
VERY HAPPY EITHER.
NEIL: WE DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS
YET OR HOW WE MOVE FORWARD HERE,
BUT WHAT DID YOU THINK WHAT THE
PRESIDENT OFFERING THESE JOINT
MILITARY EXERCISES WITH THE
SOUTH KOREANS?
>> WELL, LET'S KEEP EMPHASIZING.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DETAILS
OF WHAT MAY HAVE BEEN AGREED
ALREADY.
WE CERTAINLY DON'T KNOW THE
DETAILS OF WHAT'S GOING TO
HAPPEN FOLLOWING NEGOTIATIONS.
I JUST MAKE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT
DEPENDS ON THE FOLLOW ALONG.
I'M AFRAID THIS CANCELING OF THE
EXERCISE AND PROBABLY
PERMANENTLY MY GAS IF WE DON'T
DO IT ACQUIESCING TO NORTH
KOREANS AND SOUTH KOREANS WILL
ASK US TO DO IT.
THE ATMOSPHERE FOR THE WHOLE
SITUATION ARE GOING TO
PREMATURELY, IN MY VIEW REDUCE
AND WEEKEND SOUTH KOREA.
THE WAY TO END THIS CONVERSATION
HAS BEEN AMPLE AND CLEAR FOR
YEARS, WHICH IS FOR NORTH KOREA
TO TAKE STEPS TO AN INCREDIBLE
MILITARY BUILDUP THEY HAVE ON
THE SOUTH KOREAN TO MILITARIZE
ZONE.
THERE'S NOT A WHISPER ABOUT
ANYWHERE.
IT'S ALL ABOUT US AND OUR
EXERCISES.
>> YOU KNOW WHAT IS KIND OF
WEIRD, I LOOK AT RINGS AND MAYBE
A BUSINESS PRISON.
ONE OF THE THINGS I REALIZED, IF
I NORTH KOREA, WHY WOULD I GIVE
UP THE BARGAINING CHIP THAT IS
GOTTEN MEAN TO THE TABLE IN THE
FIRST PLACE.
ONCE I AM DENUCLEARIZED, I DON'T
HAVE ANYTHING ON ANYONE.
>> LOOK, I THINK THAT IS WHY
DENUCLEARIZATION WILL TAKE A
VERY LONG TIME.
IT WILL BE UNDER THEIR VERY
BROAD DEFINITION THAT IT HAS TO
INCLUDE THE END OF THE U.S.
GUARANTEE OF SOUTH KOREA'S
SECURITY.
THAT'S WHAT THEY MEAN WHEN THEY
SAY COMPLETE DENUCLEARIZATION.
NOTHING IN THERE ABOUT COMPLETE
VERIFIABLE AND ARE REVERSIBLE,
THE WORDS WE LIKE.
I THINK IT IS TRUE THAT THEY SEE
THE ABOVE BRIDGE, WHICH HAS
GOTTEN AN HISTORIC MEETING WITH
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES.
THEY NEVER HAD THAT BEFORE
WITHOUT ANY OTHER COUNTRY'S
PRESIDENT, EXCEPT IN THE SHADOWS
SO TO SPEAK.
SO YEAH, I THINK FRANKLY THE
GREATER HOPE WOULD BE THAT WE
GET REAL DIRECTION TO SOUTH
KOREA AND THEN WE COULD BEGIN TO
SEE A REAL CHANGE IN THE
CONFRONTATIONAL ATMOSPHERE IN
THE PENINSULA, BUT I DON'T SEE
THAT HAPPENING UNFORTUNATELY.
NEIL: AMBASSADOR, LIKE TALK TO A
NUMBER OF CLINTON FOLKS WHO
ARGUED WHEN THEY STRUCK A DEAL
WITHOUT A PRESIDENTIAL LEVEL
MEETING, IT DID KEEP AN
AGREEMENT INTACT FOR A NUMBER OF
YEARS,IGHT YEARS BEFORE THE
NORTH KOREAN STARTED CHEATING,
THAT SHE DATED.
THE DEFENSE ARE NOT COMING BACK
AS THEY SAY IN THE END THEY HAD
FAR FEWER NUCLEAR WEAPONS THAN
THEY WOULD HAVE HAD OTHERWISE.
IS THAT WHAT THIS COMES DOWN TO
THAT WE RECOGNIZED THE FACT THAT
THEY CHEAT, MAYBE THE FACT THAT
THEY LIE, BUT WILL STILL END UP
BEING BETTER OFF BECAUSE THEY
WON'T HAVE AS MUCH OF THE STUFF
IF THEY DID IF THEY WEREN'T
ADDRESSED AT ALL.
>> LOOK, I THINK THE THREAT
COMES FROM EVEN MODEST AMOUNTS
OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
EVEN ONES THAT THREATEN OUR
SOUTH KOREAN ALLIES AND JAPANESE
ALLIES, WHICH IS WHERE THE
JAPANESE ARE CONCERNED THIS
MIGHT BE A DEAL THAT PROTECTS
THE UNITED STATE.
BOOK, THE HEART OF THE MATTER IS
A BUILDUP OF SOUTH KOREA'S
BORDER THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE
IS TOTALLY UNNECESSARY, THAT IS
A DRAIN ON THE ECONOMY AND A
HALF.
I WOULD SAY THE REALLY HOPEFUL
SIGN WOULD BE IF THEY WERE
ACTUALLY CONTEMPLATING THE KIND
OF ECONOMIC REFORMS AND THEY
TALK ABOUT THAT.
THE CHINESE SAY THAT'S WHAT THEY
HAVE IN MIND, BUT I'M SKEPTICAL
UNFORTUNATELY.
NEIL: YOU KNOW, MANY AMBASSADOR
POINTED TO THE SON, KIM JONG UN,
VERY DIFFERENT THAN HIS FATHER
AND GRANDFATHER AND MAYBE
CHANGED BY JUST SINGAPORE OR THE
TRAVELS OF LATE AND COMING FROM
A COUNTRY AND JUST MAY BE PART
OF THAT, PART OF THAT EXCITEMENT
, PART OF HUMANITY.
IT SOUNDS A LITTLE FUZZY AND ALL
OF THAT, BUT THAT ALONE IS WHAT
IS GOING ON HERE.
IN THE STREETS OF SINGAPORE, THE
OTHER NIGHT, TAKING SELF IS COME
IN OF THING.
WE HAVE NOT FACT IN A YOUNG
LEADERS DESIRE NOT TO FOLLOW AND
THE SOLITARY WAVES OF HIS FATHER
AND GRANDFATHER.
>> LOOK, IT IS POSSIBLE AND
CERTAINLY YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A
ROCKET SCIENTIST TO SEE THAT
NORTH KOREA COULD BE MUCH BETTER
OFF WITH A DIFFERENT KIND OF
SYSTEM.
THIS GUY AFTER I WENT TO SCHOOL
IN EUROPE SO HE SAW FIRST-HAND
IN THAT WAY ALSO.
SWITZERLAND ACTUALLY WHICH IS A
PRETTY GOOD EXAMPLE.
THE PROBLEM FOR HIM OR ANYONE
WHO WANTS TO DO THAT, FOR HIM
PERSONALLY HE HAS TO BASICALLY
DISOWN HIS FATHER AND
GRANDFATHER IN SALES AND MISERY
THEY PUT THE NORTH KOREAN PEOPLE
THROUGH WAS UNNECESSARY AND WAS
A WASTE.
THAT WILL BE VERY HARD.
THE OTHER THING IS HIS REGIME
DEPENDS ON THIS GHASTLY
REPRESSION WITH OVER 100,000
PEOPLE IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS
AND EVEN THE ONES WHO WANT THEIR
LIVE IN CONSTANT FEAR OF BEING
SENT WITH THEIR FAMILIES TO
CAMPS.
IT IS SO REPRESSIVE I'M NOT SURE
HE CAN AFFORD TO LET THE
PRESSURE AT ALL TO ALLOW PEOPLE
TO MOVE FREELY, COMMUNICATE
FREELY, AND A GREAT FREELY.
I DON'T THINK THAT THIS AGENDA.
NEIL: BUT IT IS BETTER TO TALK
THAN NOT, IS IT NOT?
>> MAYBE TALKING WILL WILL GET
US THERE.
I DO BELIEVE THE GOAL SHOULD BE
NOT JUST TO BE SO NARROWLY
FOCUSED ON NUCLEAR WEAPONS, BUT
TO BE FOCUSED ON GENUINE REFORM
IN NORTH KOREA THAT WOULD
INCLUDE REDUCING THEIR INSANE
MILITARY BURDEN.
I WOULDN'T MIND IF WE GOT SOME
REAL PROGRESS ON NONWORK NUCLEAR
WEAPONS LATER.
I AM SKEPTICAL THAT WHAT WE GOT
OUT OF THIS SUMMIT IS ANYTHING
MORE THAN A BIG PLUS FOR KIM
JONG UN.
AND PEOPLE DON'T BOTHER
RESISTING ME BECAUSE I HAVE THE
WHOLE WORLD WITH ME AS YOU CAN
SEE, INCLUDING UNITED STATES.