today we get to see several incredible
uses of oc spray as a defensive tool
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hi everybody welcome to today's lesson
here at active self protection i'm your
host john korea
today's video is actually three separate
incidents all sent to me
by the person behind the not badge cam
but personal body cam and they're out of
the nashville tennessee area
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in this first video he is pulling a
security shift
at a convenience store he said to me in
the email that he sent it to me it's the
closest he's ever been to shooting
someone
don't even think about it take it out
take it out what you just took from 901
look what did that take
don't blame me
empty everything up
take everything out of your purse take
everything out
i just seen you take it from the aisle
over there okay
all right get out
get out of the store you're not welcome
back
i'm anymore right here
put the knife down put it down put the
knife down put it down now put it down
get on the ground
get on the ground what are you doing
great go metro right now get on the
ground
don't touch it don't touch it get on the
ground don't touch that knife
get on the ground get on the
ground now
give me your hands sir what did i do
you know i have a mental health
disability give me your
hands no this is a shut up
sorry man shut up help me happy set up
sorry ma'am
in this second one i don't actually have
audio but what i have here
i do have it in the original but
unfortunately google drive is being
stupid so i can't bring it to you with
the audio the guy in the red shirt is
our trouble you can see him here
being super aggressive calling out a
security guard that he wants to fight
him now you notice there's a couple of
actual police officers here
as well as several security guards
because they're at this club
and it's getting late and people are
getting drunk and the fights are
starting and
this guy has told the security guard he
wants to fight him and all these things
so he's really getting after the
security guard at this point and our
guard who is on the badge cam
is like what am i going to do to keep
this fight from happening and he does it
and when the guy pushes his buddy off
he gives him a dose of the hot sauce and
what you're going to see here is you see
that guy in the red shirt it cools his
attitude
right off instant attitude adjustment
that anymore he's not talking about
fighting that other guard
instead he is thinking about holy cow my
face
is full of pain now you can see here we
still have plenty to do because there's
all these other people
at this club that's letting out at 1 30
in the morning and getting aggressive
and the cops are there and all that
stuff
but thankfully nobody else ended up
needing the hot sauce now in our third
one
same club a couple of weeks later and
what we're gonna see here is it's not
quite got the level of craziness that
the last one does
but listen to the crazy lady who shows
up and says that she wants to fight the
guards and what happens to here
that last use was a foam she walked it
off with a dose of the hot sauce
as well and again our guard didn't end
up having to fight her and that's where
these three lessons end
lots to think about out of these ones
man really good
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this month into the aftermath legally of
a deadly force encounter so i've set up
to sped up this first part just for the
sake of time and he has got what to me
looks like your run-of-the-mill method
who is you know trying to steal from the
convenience store he's like hey you
can't do that now this is a mission
thing
he's a security guard as a private
citizen we wouldn't generally do that
now let's think about what happens here
as he follows her outside to recover the
property and she grabs a knife and you
can see that knife in her hand right
here
and that's why he responds is in this
instance
given the totality of the circumstances
he said she's stealing he's got evidence
of her stealing he's told her she has to
leave
he wants to recover his property and as
he follows her out she pulls a knife and
holds it in a manner like she's going to
open it
is that would a reasonable person see
that as somebody who intends
to pull that knife open and stab him
with it i think the answer to that is
yes so was an oc spray the right answer
right now
no it's not the right answer because the
threat is not a normal ordinary force
the correct answer instead is exactly
what he did which is to draw a firearm
now you notice here that she turned away
big time
and and i do think here that had he shot
her in this moment
i think he probably would have been
justified but let's think about that
the very fact that we have to say he
probably would the knife wasn't quite
open yet
these kinds of things say that because
it's not a must because he doesn't
have to shoot her i think he was
absolutely right to have his firearm out
absolutely right to issue commands with
that firearm
but i think it was very wise of him not
to actually shoot now of course i would
recommend opening up distance here
because the knife is not a distance tool
whereas the firearm is but having those
skills to get a gun out in the fight and
then
actually issue commands is a very
important skill next thing i notice here
he does try to put two hands on the gun
but notice the problem he has is he has
something in his support hand
can't tell you enough if it's serious
enough to have a gun out drop whatever's
in your support hand
to put two hands on the gun you will
shoot faster and more accurately a
better control over the gun
you'll be able to do the things you need
to do if you think drop whatever's in my
support hand
you can go back and pick it up later the
gnomes won't come and steal it while
it's on the ground
now then she is walking off okay fine i
wouldn't recommend a private citizen
chase somebody like this again we're a
very different
mission with security so he orders her
to put it down i would recommend you get
some more space here now she does
listen i'm like okay man i don't want to
fight whatever and drops the knife so
now that she's dropped the knife
what is the right response so now the
threat has
changed because at this point does she
have the ability to do him deadly harm
probably not and so shooting her is not
justifiable in this particular moment so
you notice how these things go moment by
moment
i really want you to see when is it
justified to do something and when not
is really a moment by moment discussion
and you need to have that firmly in mind
as you are a self-defender now
if he would have then lunged in and
pushed her really hard away from that
knife
i think it would have been totally
reasonable for him to do that because
otherwise it's exactly what happens here
is that she is able to get back
in and pick the stupid knife back up and
re-emerge as a threat which is why he
ends up back with two hands on the gun
and telling her to put the knife down
and she's obviously not listening i
would have
rather had some space here now then
instead she's kind of turning away and i
think he's kind of starting to notice at
this point
that she has a knife but maybe she's not
quite willing to use the knife
and so he decides instead to go for the
oc spray
and and i think that this is such a cool
decision at this moment because it is a
much
lower level of force so when i hit
somebody with oc spray it doesn't even
injure them yes
it brings pain but it does not bring
injury by itself whereas if he'd have
punched her in the face or god forbid
shot her
then that obviously brings significant
injury so the oc spray here is actually
a
low level of force to try to subdue this
threat
so that hopefully she's diminished so
they can get her into custody he's a
security guard he's going to get her
into custody for stealing and wait for
the cops to show up
again mission thing here so he sprays
her with the oc spray i love the fact
that he doesn't warn about the oc spray
he just pulls it and uses it and you
notice it cools her attitude right off
a good oc spray with a major
capsaicinoid percentage of over 0.5
tends to work i love that his partner
actually went over here when she dropped
the knife and got it out of the way so
it's not a problem again
and notice that it changes things again
it diminishes her ability to fight
they're able to then
get her and despite all her
protestations and those kinds of things
into custody
so this is as close as he ever said he
had has gotten to shooting somebody
and i think that was excellent
decision-making when to get the gun out
but to issue verbal commands
and then to to respond to the threat
appropriately and go to the oc spray
when it wasn't a deadly threat i think
that was really good
now let's think about this next one i
think the first thing we know here is
the rules of stupid don't go stupid
places with stupid people at stupid
times and do stupid things
and a club at two o'clock in the morning
with a bunch of drunks is breaking all
of the laws of stupid
now this guy's jawing he's talking to
guard hey i want to fight you you're
nothing without your badge you're
nothing without all that stuff come and
fight me i'm gonna mess you up because
why
because the guards asked him to leave
because he's being a disturbance to
everybody okay now when does our guard
decide he's gonna use his oc sprays you
notice here
that guy's talking but the first thing i
notice is this pre-attack indicator you
notice he pulls his pants up and he
pulls his shirt up like that
that is a hundred percent cue that an
attack is imminent that he's getting
serious that he wants to go he's pulling
his pants up pulling his shirt up
and that says hey i am ready to fight
it's a known pre-attack indicator that
physical violence is about to start
so then the next one that we see here is
he pushes his boy away and i want you to
see what he says in his face there
is look at what his face is saying this
right here is when our guard decides i'm
going to oc spray this guy
because he is absolutely an imminent
threat of physical harm
to my fellow guard and i think that that
is an excellent decision is this guy a
deadly threat
probably not so a gun is not the right
answer here but is he a physical threat
an
imminent physical threat of of physical
harm
yes absolutely and this is why i love an
oc spray because if i end up fighting
this guy there's a chance that both of
us get hurt
but instead again the oc spray doesn't
injure it
simply incapacitates it brings pain but
not injury and that's really useful and
helpful
so then he hits him right in the face
with it i love again that he doesn't
warn
he uses it effectively that doesn't give
the guy any time to prepare for it or
shield his eyes and his face and those
things and that's what you want to do
you want to get in his eyes
in his mucous membranes hoses that guy
down and notice how it immediately
changes his behavior you can see him
down here he is not
worried anymore about you know fighting
the
sky or whatever he's instead worried
about the intense pain in his eyes up
his nose in his mouth
in his ears and those kinds of things
and again you don't just use oc spray
willy-nilly but when
again this guy's being aggressive and i
don't want to have to fight him and even
if you know how to fight
you want to use this instead because
it's less injurious to the other guy
less opportunity for everyone else to be
hurt
including him and so that makes it
actually a very low level of force
that can be very effective in these
kinds of situations and for private
citizens
in that situation as well now this last
one again couple weeks later this guard
is known what's going on
this one i think is a little bit edgier
but let's talk about what it is i think
number one the first thing that we heard
is they've kicked this lady out he's had
interactions with her before
he's the one who's actually asked her to
leave and she comes over and says oh
yeah i'll kick your butt too so again
when somebody tells you their intentions
believe them
so she's like hey i'm i want to fight
right now and if you think a woman can't
be a serious threat in a fight you're
fooling yourself especially in these
environments they can hurt you in a
hurry
or you might end up having to hurt her
next you see the the first card i'm not
sure if that's a garter police officer
who tells her you got to leave you gotta
get the heck out of here so again
he's controlling the property he has the
right to trespass her off the property
and tell her she has to leave he's not
asking her they've already asked her to
leave he's telling her you gotta go
right now
and now he is going to use some physical
force she jaws back at him so he pushes
her
is it acceptable for him to push her yes
it is okay to use
reasonable physical force in order to
eject someone off your property if they
will not comply
with your demand to leave your property
now what would be reasonable for
something
like this i'm going to put a hand out
and with an open hand push you off the
property
now if he punched her in the face or
something like that that'd probably be
excessive force
but from a legal moral perspective using
ordinary force probably okay would i
recommend you push a woman in the middle
of her chest
no but that's another issue now then uh
she goes up and our guard decides he is
going to use the oc
why again i don't want to fight with her
i want to use a lower level of force
because she's not listening not obeying
and i don't want to end up in a fight
with her now i think he chooses a really
good
time here and that is when her notice
her eyes are open her mouth is
open she's talking those things and
that's going to give him really good
immediate incapacitation because it's
going to get right in those mucous
membranes
she had her eyes closed her head turned
away her mouth closed to be a little bit
harder
now that's why here you notice he is
using what is i think here an oc
foam and generally speaking i don't love
oc
foams or gels because if you don't get
it right in the mucous membranes it can
take a while because it doesn't
aerosolize as much
to have the kind of effect you want but
if you do get it
right in those mucous membranes right in
the mouth right in the eyes right up the
nose
it can have the same level of effect and
can have some
immediately i prefer the spray and
that's what i recommend to people
but a foam can work and you do get maybe
slightly less blow back
at times though i think that that
concern is overblown
and you but the big thing is you've got
to get it right in the mucous membranes
and again if they've got eyes closed you
don't get an immediate a direct hit
it can take quite a while he did get a
direct hit at this point and you notice
what it did
it turned her right away and got
completely rid of that threat
so these three i think show the very
usefulness of oc spray it keeps me from
having to go hands-on with somebody
which prevents injury to me it prevents
injury to them
and it cools down people's attitude
without
injuring them yes it brings quite a bit
of pain but pain is not
injury and so it can be a useful tool if
you're going to carry one and i
recommend every self-defender do
make sure that you know how to use it
make sure that you've taken a class on
its use
and make sure that in that use you do so
morally and
legally in a responsible manner