"He who loves me -
will keep My word."
I'm just going to put a microphone on.
We're just about ready now.
Camera rolling.
- Tombre, now you are well over 80 years old.
Early in your youth, you gave your life to Jesus.
What has a long life with Jesus given you?
- First I'd like to say that I've experienced what -
David says in Psalm 23:
"Only goodness and mercy shall follow you all the days of your life."
Only goodness and mercy, all the days of my life.
I must say, as it's written in a song too,
"All that came was by Your grace, dear Lord above!"
It was a great grace that, at a very early age,
I came into the arms of people who wanted to live the word,
wanted to live God's word,
and practice, as we've heard a lot recently.
Practice. Practice.
My coming into the arms of such people at such an early age,
has deeply affected my life.
It's written about being doers of the Word, instead of just hearers.
I had the grace to meet such people in my childhood -
and youth.
- Millions of people consider themselves to be Christians,
and have faith in Jesus.
But they don't practice and live the Word -
that Jesus has taught us.
What is the value of that faith?
- When you mention that, I recall an experience I had many years ago -
when we began our mission work in Africa,
specifically in Cameroon.
Once we were in an assembly,
a Christian assembly.
I remember them singing enthusiastically and clapping.
"Come and see, come and see what the Lord has done for me!"
Come and see! Not just once, but ten times, twenty times,
they sang with great enthusiasm.
Come and see what the Lord has done for me.
Then the thought came to me that I should ask them:
Can they come anytime?
Can they come anywhere?
Can they come to visit unexpectedly,
and really see that God has done great things for you?
Can they come when you and your spouse are having breakfast,
and chatting together?
Or will we come in the middle of -
a little quarrel or something?
If you're sitting there a bit sulky and dissatisfied,
Then there's not so much to see.
That doesn't testify of God having done such great things in your life.
You more get the impression of: "Come and see how nicely we sing."
But how do we live?
How do we practice the word we have heard?
This interview was not supposed to be about me at all.
I was just here as part of the camera crew.
But now I stood there, caught totally off guard, as the main character.
Arild Tombre's gentle words hit me powerfully.
When had I last practiced God's Word?
I'm often edified by it,
but have I actually lived according to it?
I was a good Christian, wasn't I?
Or was I?
My head was spinning.
This very morning, for example. How had it been?
- Hello!
- Who is it? - Celine.
- Of course I know it's Celine!
I'm your brother. I hear your voice every single day.
Come out! I need the bathroom.
- It's not my fault that you sleep through your alarm.
- But it's my bathroom!
Can't you stop being such a teenager?
Seriously! Out of there!
- No! - Yes!
- Why are you acting like that now?
What a little brat.
- I'll be done in 15 minutes.
-15 minutes is too late!
- Now we've been through the whole shooting plan. Any questions?
Then we can pack up for the day.
I was just wondering. I was thinking about...
...the interview with Harald.
Who's actually in charge of that one?
Oh, didn't I say? Andreas is.
He's already started.
Oh, Andreas?
OK, that's fine.
- Were you thinking of anything specific?
- No, no. Andreas. I was actually thinking of him too,
speaking of being responsible for this project.
He'll do a good job. He's done lots of them before.
See you!
- Great, Petter. Bye!
- Need some coffee!
- Thanks so much.
- Petter, while I've got you here. Did you change the layout -
on our project page?
- Yes, that was me.
- I'd prefer you to check those sorts of things with me -
before you make those types of changes.
- Oh, I thought.... It was actually....
Didn't Ida clear it with you?
- Ida has said nothing about it.
- It was actually her idea.
She pushed it through.
It was actually...well, Ida can tell you the whole story herself.
- I can have a chat with Ida.
So you are clear about it for next time.
If something similar comes up, we'll speak about it first.
- Super, Peter.
Just pop in and see Ida. She'll probably....
I'll have a chat with Ida.
James writes that when we don't practice what we hear -
then we quite simply deceive ourselves.
We fool ourselves, it says.
Deceive ourselves.
When you just listen,
As James says, you're almost like someone who -
saw their face in a mirror,
and then forgot what he looked like.
He forgot to work on his salvation.
He forgot God's word which he should have practiced.
You're simply deceiving yourself.
Suddenly it was as if I saw my life in a whole new way.
I saw myself in a room,
and the room was myself,
my innermost self.
That was the truth about me -
as a Christian, on a normal day.
- Who is that? - Celine.
- Yes, of course I know that it's Celine.
You know what? It's true. I got...
...I got a little annoyed, but also...
She is so insanely irritating!
There has to be a limit, honestly!
I thought about the interview with Harald.
Who actually has the responsibility there?
- Andreas has. He's already doing it.
I don't get why they have to use him all the time.
What is so special about him?
What makes him so different to everyone else?
It's like they always use him.
It's the surname, and the family, and -
That's typical.
Ugh, now I'm being really negative.
I'm thinking too much again.
I have to do something -
to get out of this mental track,
improve my mood.
I am me, and that should be good enough.
- I can speak to Ida.
So do you understand for next time.
If something like this comes up, we'll speak together first.
- Typical. He's always caught up in the details,
and always brings out the negative.
Is that being a good boss?
So that was really how I lived my Christian life,
- or didn't live it.
On the outside, I might look like a good Christian,
but the hidden sin in my reactions and thoughts,
was still there in the best of health.
My Christian life was really no more than psychology.
I thought and did things to make myself feel better.
The best result possible is that I become -
the best edition of myself.
Yes, just that. My self.
Not being transformed as the gospel promises.
- Jesus said that he came as a light for the world,
so that everyone who believes in Him -
should not remain in darkness.
Which darkness is Jesus speaking about here?
- Everything that gets in the way of God's will in our lives is darkness.
By nature there is a great darkness.
That is why he invites us to come to him,
so we can get the chance to go from light to light.
But then he must also shine a light on our inner being -
so we can see the darkness.
Think, all that egotism,
that we've probably all discovered in our lives.
All that egotism is a sea of darkness.
He who loves Jesus, it's written, keeps his laws.
His laws are not heavy.
His will is not heavy.
Being a doer of the word is the vital thing.
So I must practice God's word in order to be transformed.
- Hello! - Ok, this is it.
This doesn't normally go so well.
What am I meant to do?
- Do not be overcome by the evil,
but overcome evil with good!
- But she's so unbelievably annoying.
- Take heed to yourself and the doctrine,
and continue in it, for by doing this you will save both yourself -
and those who hear you.
- Take heed to myself?
What makes me get so irritated?
There must be something in me which causes it.
Antipathy and anger....
I should have realized that.
Dear God, you must help me get victory over this!
- Didn't I say? Andreas is doing it. He's already well under way.
- Andreas? Indeed!
I obviously did not like that.
Why not?
It's hard to breathe in here.
Aw, ugh!
- Because your own nature is still ruling you.
When there is envy and strife among you,
aren't you being human, with the same nature as everyone else,
living like them?
- Envy? That's what it is.
Oh dear God! Help me so I get finished with this!
- While you are here, was it you who changed the layout -
on our project website?
- Yes, I know what I answered.
It was cowardly. Why did I blame Ida?
- Don't do anything from vanity or selfish ambition.
But be humble, esteeming the others higher than yourself.
- The lust for honor. That's what it is.
Bet there's more of that in me,
but bit by bit I'll be quit the stuff.
It will get better!
- So we can say that the more of God's word that I do,
that I live, and practice,
the lighter it becomes?
- Yes, that's clear!
Then your life becomes bright.
We sing in a song: "There is a life, by man uncomprehended;
It doth rejoice in judgement from God's hand."
There is a life! There is a life! There is a life!
It must resound within us.
There is a life! There is a life!
It's so clear that we should be -
even more gripped of Jesus Christ.
The person Jesus Christ.
He didn't just come with a doctrine.
He came with a life.
He didn't just come with a theory.
He came with a practice!