>>> WE GOT TO ABOLISH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
ELECTORAL COLLEGE. THE WAY DEMOCRACY WORKS IS WHEN
OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS COMES TO
ASK EVERYBODY, AND THAT MEANS
GETTING RID OF THE ELECTORAL
COLLEGE.
COLLEGE. >> SENATOR ELIZABETH WARREN IS
GETTING BIG APPLAUSE FOR HER
PROPOSAL DO AWAY WITH THE
ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
ELECTORAL COLLEGE. IN 2016 HILLARY CLINTON WON
ALMOST 3 MILLION MORE VOTES THAN
DONALD TRUMP.
DONALD TRUMP. IN 2000 AL GORE WON HALF A
MILLION MORE VOTES THAN GEORGE
W. BUSH.
W. BUSH. BECAUSE OF THE ELECTORAL
COLLEGE, OF COURSE, THEY BOTH
LOST THE ELECTION.
QUOTE, EXTREMELY WILD THAT
REPUBLICANS HAVE WON THE POPULAR
VOTE EXACTLY ONCE IN LIFETIME.
JOINING ME NOW TO TALK ABOUT A
FELLOW AT THE HARVARD KENNEDY
SCHOOL OF GOVERNMENT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE
ELECTORAL COLLEGE LIFE?
>> OH, I LOVE IT.
HERE’S WHAT I THINK ABOUT THE
LINE BECAUSE HERE’S WHAT I THINK
ABOUT WOMEN.
ABOUT WOMEN. I THINK IT’S FANTASTIC ELIZABETH
WARREN IS FORCING EVERYBODY IN
THE FIELD TO HAVE REAL
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE TANGIBLE
WAY OUR SYSTEMS, OUR STRUCTURES
IN GOVERNMENT WORK.
>> THERE’S TWO THINGS THAT
HAPPEN.
HAPPEN. THERE’S THE SUBSTANTIVE
CONVERSATION ABOUT POLICY, I’M
GOING TO PASS THIS BILL OR NOT.
AND THEN THERE’S THIS
CONVERSATION HAPPENING ABOUT THE
DEEPER DEMOCRATIC STRUCTURE OF
THE COUNTRY.
THE COUNTRY. AND I THINK THERE’S A LOT OF
ENERGY THERE AMONG DEMOCRATS FOR
THAT KIND OF DEEPER
CONVERSATION.
CONVERSATION. >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. AND IT’S ALSO, I MEAN, IT’S A
DEEPER CONVERSATION IN TERMS OF
THE STRUCTURE OF THE GOVERNMENT
BUT IT’S ALSO -- IT IS --
THERE’S BEEN AN INTERESTING
CHANGE OVER THE YEARS IN TERMS
OF DEMOCRATS.
OF DEMOCRATS. NOT ONLY I THINK HAS THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY FROM A POLICY
PERSPECTIVE BECOME MORE
AGGRESSIVELY TO THE LEFT BUT
THERE’S ALMOST LIKE A
PARTISANSHIP, LIKE A WILLINGNESS
TO ENGAGE IN A FIGHT AND HOLD
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO ACCOUNT
FOR THEIR ATTACKS ON THE
STRUCTURE OF OUR GOVERNMENT AND
OUR BODY POLITIC WRIT LARGE
WHICH I THINK IS ALSO WEEK WALE
UNIQUE --
UNIQUE -- >> I TOTALLY AGREE, BUT OF
COURSE THE CONCERN IS THAT’S A
RACE TO THE BOTTOM.
YOU SAW PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING
ABOUT LIKE COURT PACKING, RIGHT,
AND THE CONCERN IS EVERYONE
STARTS TO PULL AT THE SAME
THREAD AND YOU END UP
UNRAVELING.
UNRAVELING. >> I DON’T THINK IT’S A RACE TO
IT BOTTOM IF YOU HAVE A REAL
CONVERSATION ABOUT VOTING
RIGHTS.
RIGHTS. I THINK THE STRUCTURAL PIECE TO
ME IS WHAT WE OFTEN MISS WITH
PLATITUDES.
PLATITUDES. AND WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN COME
SUMMER IS YOU’RE GOING TO SEE
ELIZABETH WARREN GET OUT AND
THERE SAY HERE’S MY IDEAS HOW WE
MAKE AMERICA WORK AND WHAT IS
FAIR AND A LOT OF OTHER
CANDIDATES ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE
A LOT OF SUBSTANCE AROUND THAT.
>> I THINK THAT’S CORRECT.
BUT I ALSO SAY, LIKE, I
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE IS A SORT
OF LIKE BRINGING A KNIFE TO A
KNIFE FIGHT.
KNIFE FIGHT. >> YES.
>> YES. >> AND THE FACT IS THAT FOR
DECADES THE DEMOCRATS HAVE SAID
WE’RE NOT GOING TO BRING THAT
KNIFE TO THE KNIFE FIGHT, AND
THAT STRATEGY HASN’T WORKED
EITHER.
EITHER. SO OFTEN WHAT A BULLY NEEDS IS A
TO BE SHOWN THIS WORKS TWO WAYS.
SO WHAT’S GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS
GOOD FOR IT GANDER.
IF YOU WANT TO STOP THAT RACE TO
THE BOTTOM ONE OF THE WAYS IS TO
INDICATE WARE GOING TO WIN.
>> THAT’S AN INTERESTING IDEA
WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS HIKE
FILIBUSTER AND COURT PACKING,
STRATEGICALLY GOING AFTER IT
YOURSELF GIVES YOURSELF A
MUTUALLY SORT OF DESTRUCTION --
>> IT BEGINS TO PUT STAKES ON --
>> BUT HERE’S MY MUSH BACK ON
THAT.
THAT. I 100% BELIEVE ONE PERSON, ONE
VOTE, POPULAR ELECTIONS TO
DETERMINE THE PRESIDENT.
YOU CAN’T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
YOU’RE GOING TO GET A
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT?
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT? IN SOME WAYS THIS IS THE
FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM IS THE
STRUCTURES THEMSELVES IS SO
OSSIFIED THE MISMATCH BETWEEN
WHAT’S BEING SAID, WHICH IS,
HEY, HOW ABOUT THE WINNER GET TO
BE PRESIDENT.
BE PRESIDENT. >> 270 ESSENTIALLY, YOU’VE GOT
TO GET ENOUGH STATES INVOLVED IN
THIS AND YOU’VE GOT TO GET
ENOUGH OF THOSE STATES LINED UP
WHERE YOU GET TO 270 IN TERMS OF
THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
>> COLORADO JUST DID THIS, BY
THE WAY.
THE WAY. >> AND THERE’S ACTUALLY SEVERAL
OF THEM LINING UP RIGHT NOW.
NOT AT 270 JUST YET, BUT AT 200.
I DON’T THINK WE’RE HESITANT TO
KIND OF GO BIG AND GO BOLD JUST
BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW,
THE ARK IS REALLY, REALLY LONG.
I WOULD BE NOT SURPRISED IF 6,
12 MONTHS FROM NOW WE SEE A
BUNCH OF OTHER STATES GO
ONBOARD.
ONBOARD. >> BUT EVEN IF YOU DON’T GET TO
THE NATIONAL POPULAR VOTE COMBAT
MY POINT IS THAT YOU’RE
INDICATING THAT WE’RE HOLDING
YOU TO ACCOUNT, THAT WE’RE AWARE
OF WHAT’S GOING ON, AND WE’RE
AWARE OF THE INEQUITIES AND SO
THAT IT MAY NOT BE THIS
SOLUTION, IT MAY BE ANOTHER
SOLUTION, BUT THE PARTY IS READY
TO MAKE THAT.
>> IT LETS US ACTUALLY START TO
SAY THIS PERSON, DONALD TRUMP
WHO WAS JUST ELECTED IS NOT
LEGITIMATE.
LEGITIMATE. >> TO ME IT BIGGER THING HERE
WHICH IS WHAT THE CRUX OF THE