>> "THE NEW YORK TIMES" BREAKING
FROM TRADITION WITH JUST TWO
WEEKS TO GO UNTIL THE IOWA
CAUCUSES, ENDORSING TWO
CANDIDATES FOR THE DEMOCRATIC
NOMINATION.
SENATORS AMY KLOBUCHAR AND
ELIZABETH WARREN.
LET'S BRING IN KARL ROVE FOR A
LIVE REACTION.
GOOD MORNING, KARL.
>> GOOD MORNING.
CONGRATULATIONS, ED.
>> Ed: I APPRECIATE IT,
LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH
YOU A LOT MORE.
BIG PICTURE AND THIS EDITORIAL,
THE TERMS BASICALLY SAYS
"JOE BIDEN, TIME TO PASS THE
TORCH TO A NEW GENERATION AND
LET THE BEST WOMAN WIN."
>> WELL, WITH INTERESTING WAS
THEY SAID, "LOOK, THE DEMOCRATS
ARE SPLIT NOT SPLIT NOT
IDEOLOGICALLY."
THEY SUGGEST EVERYBODY SORT OF
AGREES ON THE LEFT-WING
PROGRESSIVE AGENDA.
IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF WHAT,
THEY SAY, BUT HOW?
HOW DO YOU GET THERE?
THEY'VE COME DOWN ON BEHALF OF
TWO PEOPLE, AMY KLOBUCHAR, WHOM
THEY SAY SHE'S NOT ALL MODERATE,
SHE'S LEFT-WING.
SHE WANTS TO GET THERE BY TRYING
TO BRING THE TWO PARTIES
TOGETHER GETTING THIS DONE
LEGISLATIVELY.
THEY SAY ELIZABETH WARREN SAID
HOW MUCH SHE SHE WOULD BE ABLE
TO ACCOMPLISH WITHOUT NEW
LEGISLATION.
USING THE WIDE-RANGING POWERS OF
THE PRESIDENCY TO DO IT THROUGH
EXECUTIVE ACTION.
IT'S INTERESTING, THEY END UP
SAYING, "EVERYBODY, WE ARE
ENDORSING TWO CANDIDATES WHO
HAVE SIMILAR VIEWS, THEY JUST
WANT TO GET THERE IN DIFFERENT
WAYS."
>> Ed: RIGHT.
TO A POINT, THEY SAY IN THE
EDITORIAL "BOTH RADICAL AND THE
REALIST MODELS OR INTO SERIOUS
CONSIDERATION.
IF THERE WERE EVER A TIME TO BE
OPEN TO NEW IDEAS, IT'S NOW.
IF THERE EVER A TIME TO SEEK
STABILITY, AND HOW IS IT.
THAT'S WHY WE ARE ENDORSING THE
MOST EFFECTIVE ADVOCATES FOR
EACH APPROACH."
DOES NOT OPEN THE QUESTION EVEN
MORE, THAT IT SEEMS LIKE
DEMOCRATIC LEADERS DON'T KNOW WE
TO GO RIGHT NOW?
>> THEY OPEN THE EDITORIAL BY
TALKING ABOUT THOSE TWO MODELS.
THAT THERE ARE SOME DEMOCRATS
THAT BELIEVE DONALD TRUMP IS AN
ABERRATION AND WE CAN RETURN TOT
ABERRATION AND WE CAN RETURN TOO
A MORE NORMAL STYLE POLITICS.
AND THAT'S A REFERENCE TO
KLOBUCHAR.
THEN THEY SAY THERE ARE OTHER
DEMOCRATS WHO BELIEVE THE
POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC SYSTEMS
ARE SO ROTTEN THAT WE MUST BEGIN
ANEW.
THAT IS CLEARLY A REFERENCE TO
ELIZABETH WARREN.
BUT THEY ARE SUGGESTING THEY
BOTH WANT TO END UP AT THE SAME
PLACE, TO GET THERE IN A
DIFFERENT WAY.
INTERESTINGLY, THAT TELLS ME
THAT THE PERSON THIS ADVANTAGES
IS KLOBUCHAR.
PEOPLE ARE NO WAKING UP THIS
MORNING LISTENING TO STORIES
LIKE THIS, PICKING UP THEIR
MORNING PAPER.
TALKING ABOUT THINGS OVER
COFFEE.
AND SAYING, "WHO IS KLOBUCHAR?"
THEY HAVE SEEN HER IN OCCASIONAL
DEBATES, SHE SEEMS TO DO WELL.
BUT I THINK THIS WILL BENEFIT
HER MORE THAN WARREN BECAUSE
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY, "I NEED
TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE PERSON I
DIDN'T KNOW."
>> Ed: YOU KNOW BETTER THAN I
DON'T LIKE ANYONE, IOWA IS
ABOUT WHO PEAKS AT THE RIGHT
TIME.
I WANT TO APPLAUD YOU.
I LISTEN TO YOU ON ALL THE
PANELS ON SUNDAY SHOWS, FOX NEWS
SUNDAY WAS THE ONLY TIME I
STOPPED AND SAID, "WAIT A
SECOND, KARL ROVE JUST SAID HE
THINKS THEY MAY BE MORE SENATE
DEMOCRATS VOTING TO ACQUIT
THE PRESIDENT THAN REPUBLICANS
VOTING TO CONVICT AND REMOVE."
EXPLAIN.
>> WELL, LOOKING AT IT, YOU HAD
A NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS --
JOE MANCHIN OF WEST VIRGINIA,
JONES OF ALABAMA, EVEN KING OF
MAINE, AN INDEPENDENT -- ALL
HAVE SORT OF TEMPERATE COMMENTS
ABOUT THIS.
SURE, MOST DEMOCRATS ARE GOING
TO BE LIKE KAMALA HARRIS AND
THESE OTHERS WHO HAVE MADE IT
CLEAR THEY ARE VOTING TO CONVICT
NO MATTER IF OR WHAT.
I JUST THINK THERE IS LIKELY TO
BE A COUPLE OF DEMOCRATS --
MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE FROM
DEEP RED STATES.
WEST VIRGINIA, THERE'S BEEN SOME
POLE IN ALABAMA AND SHOWING THAT
JOE MANCHIN AND DOUG JONES WOULD
HAVE HUGE PROBLEMS AS THEY VOTED
TO IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT.
I THINK ALSO IT'S A MIND-SET.
THEY ARE LOOKING AT IT SAYING,
"REALLY, IS THIS WHAT WE OUGHT
TO BE DOING AS A COUNTRY AND AS
A DEMOCRAT SHOULD I BE GOING
ALONG WITH THE HERD?"
I THINK THEY WILL GO WITH THE
REST OF THE DEMOCRATS ON
PROCEDURAL QUESTIONS LIKE, "HOW
WE APPROACH THE QUESTION OF
WITNESSES?"
BUT I THINK I WILL BE DIFFERENT
QUESTION THAN THE ULTIMATE ONE,
SHOULD WE REMOVE THE PRESIDENT?
>> Ed: A COUPLE DEMOCRATS
VOTED TO ACQUIT.