>> ERIC: This is Watch Your Style.
My name is Eric.
Today I have a very special guest for you.
Straight from New York City, the Rolex Enforcer!
>> ERIC: Well, first off I want to say, a very special thanks to the Rolex Enforcer
for joining us down here in Miami.
>> ERIC: And I also want to ask you, "Is it the first time you've ever been to Miami?
How do you like it so far?"
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: First time.
It's beautiful down here.
Traffic is a little bit bad because of Ultra, but I knew that coming.
Yeah, Miami is amazing.
In the nighttime, it really transforms.
The city is beautiful.
>> ERIC: Well, it's always a pleasure to have you down here, you know?
We wanted to talk a little bit about, kind of like, there's this question that I've had
going in my head already for a couple of weeks and it's, ever since you guys, you being Rolex
Enforcer, Fake Watch Buster, there's a couple more guys out there too.
Have been after just hammering these guys.
Do you feel like there's been some type of a slowdown in the whole fake watch thing as
far as the posers, at least the high profile posers.
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: Yeah, definitely.
I mean, in the beginning when I first started busting, celebrities would just post their
fake watches with no remorse.
It was going on pretty rampantly and now it has really, really slowed down.
You see some of these young guys posting fake watches.
I give them a pass, but as far as the celebrities, the last big celebrity I've caught was Tyrese
and that was over a year ago.
They're learning bro.
They know Instagram is not safe.
>> ERIC: Yeah, man.
I saw the other day a post that had Young Thug with a fake Schumacher.
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: Yeah, a fake Schumacher.
>> ERIC: That's a pretty bold move there.
You're gonna have a fake Schumacher.
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: Yeah, shoutout to Fake Watchbuster.
He busted...They had sent me that and I just sat on it for a couple of days cuz, you know,
work was crazy.
It got pretty big and the thing is, in the back, the movement was completely different
and instead of saying Audemars Piguet, it said Audemars Piquet.
[laughter]
>> ERIC: You know what?
I saw that post and I hadn't really been following all that for a little while and I was kind
of like curious the other day and I just couldn't believe that it just blatantly just had a
total different name.
They didn't even spell it right.
I was like, �unbelievable!�
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: Different movement, different stamping...the thing is that first he said
that he bought it from a jeweler out in New York.
I'm not gonna say the jeweler.
I don't give free shoutouts.
You know what I'm saying?
He said he bought it from a jeweler, then he said he got it from some sort of Prince
of Dubain.
He said the Prince's name and he had like five different excuses.
It was funny as hell.
It was funny.
>> ERIC: You know, sometimes these things happen.
I would say that the best thing to say is just, like they all say, honesty is the best
policy.
If he got busted, he would have just avoided a bunch of strip by just saying, �Hey, you
know what?
I don't know anything about watches.
I don't care.
It was a gift or I bought it or whatever!� You know, and just move on, you know?
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: He posted like five or six rebuttals and that actually makes it worse.
>> ERIC: Absolutely!
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: All you have to do, be smart.
Take the picture down and nobody knows the wiser.
You know?
Keep it moving.
>> ERIC: It's funny what you said because there's a friend of a friend.
He's an older guy that I know and he actually has a really, really, low end, really low
end, Canal Street, rose gold Hublot.
OK?
And the thing about this guy is that he wears it and he just goes out and like a girl would
be like, �That' a really nice watch you there!� And he's like, �No, no, but it's
a fake one.
I paid $20 for it.� That's one thing about him.
He wears it, but like he blatantly just tells everybody that it's fake.
He doesn't care.
So, I guess it's a little better.
He's not trying to fool people.
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: Yeah.
>> ERIC: You know?
As opposed to like Young Buck trying to sit there and give Prince of Dubai excuses, but
I remember that at one time I saw this pretty bold character here.
He's got this fake watch on and he just almost has a shirt that says I have a fake watch
on with it.
Anyways, another thing.
I was thinking the other day and it was like pissing me off because at least with what
I have to do...I bought, sell and trade on a daily basis, so I'm constantly checking
watches.
You know, the loop is my best friend.
You know, the jeweler's loop is my best friend.
And maybe you could shine some light in there or maybe agree or disagree, but like I feel
like definitely the low end, even the high end fakes are getting a lot more better.
There getting way better in the machine process and the finishes and then it's kind of harder
for me every day because the real deal watches are every day coming off the assembly line
with a little bit less quality control.
What do you feel about that?
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: I think the fakes are definitely getting better.
Like they have these new, I forgot what, the APs they come out with new series one, two,
whatever, and the ones now they're pretty spot one, like even the movement, they got
correct stampings on the back.
>> ERIC: Yeah?
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: They solved the wide base of hands, so...
>> ERIC: Oh, I didn't know that.
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: Yeah, they're getting pretty real, but those are very high-end.
>> ERIC: What about the depth of the date.
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: Is pretty accurate.
>> ERIC: And is it a little bit more in or is it still making love to the outer rim like
before.
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: No, no.
Because the fake they're using, they're using a Swissy TA and it's a modular movement like
the AP has.
>> ERIC: Got it.
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: So the depth of the date is really good and is not too close to the
tach.
>> ERIC: You know, one thing that I always at least knew that I always used on a day
to day work basis, is I always looped the dials and I used that to see the finish of
the dial, to see exactly how the finish is and the quality and that's one of the things
that's bothering me because, not to long ago, I saw an AP 39 millimeter chrono that had
actually a drip on one of the markers.
The markers were painted on the outside and they had like a drip.
And I said, �This can't be,� you know.
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: It's happening a lot.
What me and you were discussing before, it's like, we look at this...this is a rubber-clad
AP and Royal Oak Offshore and mine is a Navy, and if you could see the date on this one
is much easier to see than on mine and they're both F serial, both totally legit obviously.
Is just like, little things that I don't know, I feel like every day the high end fakers,
they're putting more and more work into getting it better, but a lot of these high end manufacturers,
they've become very complacent.
>> ERIC: One of the most important things that I use with when I check watches is, it's
almost like the lighthouse beacon for me, it's consistency.
One of the most consistent watches in the watch market period is Rolex.
Every time I loop the hands of a Rolex, the dial of a Rolex, the way that the machining
is done on the cuts of the bezel, it's always the same tooling, the same thing, and that
helps me a lot.
You see brands, kind of like Hublot and other brands, that's what starts happening.
The consistency is not there.
They may be used different production factories.
Who knows what it is?
But that also makes it a lot harder for us when you're not consistent.
Do you agree with that?
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: Yeah, but the thing also with Hublot is when they first started, they
were just slapping off-the-shelf ETAs into their Big Bangs and now they're putting in-house
movements, so the quality has definitely changed.
I mean, the movement on a new Hublot is better, but I feel like on some of the finishing,
it's fallen down a little.
>> ERIC: Yeah, absolutely.
And for the exception of Rolex, I kind of have been seeing that all through the board
on most of the brands, it's just the finish and some of the consistencies are not as consistent
as they used to be.
Rolex is that one brand that every time I loop a movement or I loop a dial, it's exactly
the same and for us, that we're trying to always, especially for me that I buy, sell
and trade on a daily basis, that's what helps me always catch it.
The problem is what we were saying is that with those little bit of slip-ups in quality
control, the guys that are making the replicas are on the other side.
They're constantly trying to make it better and sharper and better and sharper.
And it's getting scary!
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: And like you said, with Rolex is easier for them to get it better
because Rolex is very consistent.
Like a lot of people complain that Rolex doesn't innovate, Rolex doesn't do this, doesn't do
that.
Honest truth, they don't have to do it.
They don't have to do it and people complain, but the Yacht-Master II, the Sky-Dweller,
these are new movements that are out in the market and a movement takes anywhere between
10 and 12 years to develop.
It's not like they can just slap a movement and is completely in the house.
So, it's hard.
I would love to see Rolex have a serious complication like they used to back in the 50's, but they
were outsourcing movements back then.
But if they could get a nice, like a moonphase going on, that would be crazy.
>> ERIC: You know which one watch to me is like anytime that I get one at the store,
I look at it completely.
I almost have like a full-blown conference with my watchmaker because they're almost
very close...Is the Diver, from the original to the fake.
The Diver is a scary close.
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: What, the AP Diver?
>> ERIC: The AP Diver is a scary close.
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: The only way I can tell the differences, I have to magnify the dates,
because the only thing that gives that watch off is the date is the font.
>> ERIC: The font.
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: The font is a little bit different, but like the new Divers, is spot
on.
>> ERIC: Yeah, I mean, it's getting crazier because now, some of these watches, the actual
movements, they're cloning them.
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: Yeah?
>> ERIC: They've already perfected the case, so now they're spending this amount of research
and development to clone the movement.
You really gotta dissect it.
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: They're putting these clear casebacks and if you look, the stampings on
the rotor, they're very close.
They're very good.
And the rest, I mean, as long as people see a couple of Swiss swirls, a couple of markings,
they don't really pay mind to it, but they're getting a lot better.
>> ERIC: Yeah.
Another what that to me is also...I haven't been bit by one.
I can always bust it, but for the regular guy on the street or the regular consumer
that doesn't have a trustworthy jeweler is Panerai.
Some of the Panerais are very good.
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: I tend to steer away from that brand because I can honestly, I'm not
good at differentiating them.
A Panerai is such a simple watch, you know?
Most of them have ETA movements that somebody with enough time on their hands, they could
clone it perfectly.
>> ERIC: Something that I maybe have said last time on the last video you did, one thing
that I like to use is, I never consider a watch fake by just one thing.
It has to be a combination of things.
If you look closely, there's always going to be a combination of things.
It's never gonna be just one thing.
One thing might trigger me to start looking deeper and harder and really raise up the
magnification and start looking better.
For example, the Panerai, the way that the center pin, right in the middle there's a
center pin where the needles are, I always look at where it finishes and also the texture
and finish of the center pin and if it's off, then I really start looking further and scrutinizing
it further.
It's those little things I guess you pick up over the years.
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: You know, another watch that the fakers have gotten better is on the
GMT.
The old GMTs, the 1675s, they used to have the red hand on the bottom.
Right?
So then when Rolex switched to the 16710 and now the current 116710, the GMT hands that
is on top of the hour hand, when before it was below the hour hand.
>> ERIC: Oh yeah!
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: A lot of these guys making these fakes, are getting good with the vintage
ones because, they'll take a dial, they'll microwave the dial, they'll microwave the
bezel.
They have the correct GMT hand placement and a lot of these guys are selling them as real
vintage.
And, you know, if you don't know what you're looking for, you have to be very careful.
You get caught.
You get caught out there.
>> ERIC: You know, the vintage world, it's a whole another world.
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: Scary place.
>> ERIC: I talk a lot about these things with my watchmaker because he's an old man and
he work for Rolex for 35 years, so he lived all those old vintage watches and he tells
me, �Eric, they have reproduction bezels, aftermarket bezels for these vintage, like
Paul Newman style Daytonas, is like you cannot tell the difference.
You would not be able to tell the difference.
And I guess it's good and bad if you have one that's beat up and you kind of want to
freshen it up, but it's bad if you're going to buy one because, something like that will
make a difference of $4 or $5000 dollars.
So, with the vintage stuff, you really have to know what you're doing, really, really
have to know what you're buying.
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: You know, the good thing about vintage is if you can get your hands
on a real ones, is that, the vintage that was like the Golden Age of the Rolex era where
Rolex would actually encourage the watchmakers to fix their watches, they used to hand out
presses and case opening tools and there's an abundant of spare, original parts if you
could find them.
The problem is that now Rolex is going the Patek and AP way where everything is in-house,
so all those old watchmakers, they're like hiding their original Rolex equipment because
Rolex is sending them letters saying that they need to give back the equipment to service
these watches.
Is tough.
Things have changed a lot.
>> ERIC: You know one watch that they just can't seem to get right...the Daytona.
I've never seen a Daytona that even looks remotely close to a real one.
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: Yeah.
I mean, even the good ones, the sub-dial spacing is still off.
It's still off.
>> ERIC: The first thing that I do any time that I get a Daytona, period, when it comes
into the store, is push the chrono button.
That's the first thing I do.
You could always feel it.
On a genuine one, it's like a very tight, like a perfect feel.
The fake one, it feels like the button is going to spit out and shoot out right after.
But that's one of the things I always do, right off the back.
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: Another thing with the modern Daytonas is, as most people don't know,
the markers are made out of gold.
They're usually white gold and then they have lume in the middle and, for some reason, the
fakers, they can't get the roundness of the markers correct.
It's always flat.
To the naked eye, somebody that knows will spot that from a mile away, but if a jeweler
that doesn't know, the first thing he has to do, he has to loop the markers and if it's
not round, then you know right off the back it's fake and they've had a very hard time
correcting that.
>> ERIC: Alright, let me ask you another question.
It just dawned on me real quick.
Some people obviously they don't have enough experience and that's OK.
We all started somewhere and you kind of go getting some knowledge and you gotta run with
what you have as knowledge, but, do you consider a watch that has an after-market dial a fake
watch?
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: No, no.
I don't.
I mean.
Some people, they think it's like something unholy to change a dial and I look at it the
way is this...this watch, if I paid $22,000 for it, I'm allowed to do whatever I want
with my watch.
[laughter]
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: It's like if I buy a condo and I don't like the bathroom.
I can't upgrade the bathroom because it's wrong?
>> ERIC: Yeah, I know.
I understand man.
You know, some people are very, very harsh on that stuff man.
Look, I had a client that wanted to buy a Daytona for his wife.
Obviously, he can definitely buy here the platinum one, but he said, �Look, she doesn't
want me to buy her the platinum one.
She's going to use it daily.
She's going to beat it up.
He saw one of the ones we had done with the conversion and I was in shock.
He literally bought a brand new Daytona with the stickers still on the case and I had the
platinum conversion done for it aftermarket, and he was ecstatic, super happy.
Kept the original dial, the original bezel, moved on, you know?
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: I don't see anything wrong with that.
I'll be honest with you.
I would be able to spot that watch that is not platinum because the color of the metal
is different.
Obviously the weight too.
But to the naked eye, most people would be fooled by...I don't think there's anything
wrong with it.
You know?
It's cool!
>> ERIC: Yeah, no, absolutely man!
Again, special thanks from the whole CRM team having you down here in Miami.
We hope to see you more often here.
We could do more collab videos like this.
You know?
They gotta keep us under control because us guys, we'll talk about watches for four hours
here.
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: Yeah, definitely!
>> ERIC: So, you know, again man, special thanks, and we'll see you on the next one.
>> ROLEX ENFORCER: Thanks for having me.
>> ERIC: So stay tuned for more videos on watches along with the Rolex Enforcer.
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