DAVID JOLLY IS HERE. JIM MECINA, FORM ERER HEAD OF
OPERATIONS.
OPERATIONS. WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU
HEARD THE SUMMIT WAS PLANNED TO
BEGIN WITH AND THEN CANCELED.
>> FIRST OF ALL GETTING OUT OF
THESE CONFLICTS IS A FULL-TIME,
IT IS VERY TOUGH, BUT ALL OF
THESE, I REMEMBER IN BOSNIA, HE
WOULD AGREE WITH ONE GUY AND THE
NEXT THING YOU KNOW THERE ISEN A
ATTACK SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SECONDLY YOU NEED A NATIONAL
SECURITY TEAM WHERE PEOPLE CAN
DISAGREE WITH EACH OTHER, BUT AT
A CERTAIN POINT EVERYONE COMES
TOGETHER.
TOGETHER. .
. AND THIRDLY THE ISSUE OF
BRINGING ON THE PRESIDENT, I
REMEMBER IN THE DAYTON PEACE
ACCORDS, THERE WAS TALK ABOUT
BRINGING IN PRESIDENT CLINTON.
AND THE DECISION WAS NO, THERE
WAS NO IDEA HOW IT WOULD GO.
SO YOU KEEP THE PRESIDENT OUT OF
THE TOUGH DEALS UNTIL IT IS
ABSOLUTELY CLEAR.
ABSOLUTELY CLEAR. AND PRESIDENT TRUMP LIKES TO BE
THERE IN THE FIRST THROUGH THIRD
INNINGS.
INNINGS. THE DEGREE OF DIFFICULT, THE
PROP
PROP PROBLEM OF A TEAM THAT CAN’T
WORK OR PLAY TOGETHER, AND A
PRESIDENT THAT THINKS IT IS ALL
ABOUT THEM, THAT HE HAS AN
ADMINISTRATION OF ONE, AND IT
ADDS UP TO A DISASTER AND WE
MIGHT NEED TO HUNKER DOWN.
WE WILL SURE I WILL BE ATTACKING
THE TALIBAN LIKE THERE IS NO
TOMORROW I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND
THAT WE’RE NOT JUST GOING TO
STAND AROUND BUT AT THE SAME
TIME THEY’RE GOING TO COME AFTER
US.
US. >> BUT THE PRESIDENT LIKING
BEING IN THE THICK OF THINGS,
THE THICK OF WHAT?
THIS IS THE NUMBER THREE
REPUBLICAN IN THE HOUSE.
HER FATHER WAS VICE PRESIDENT ON
9/11.
9/11. THIS IS WHAT SHE WROTE THREE
WEEKS AGO ABOUT THE TALIBAN.
THEY HAVE CONDUCTED ATTACKS
WEEKLY.
WEEKLY. THEY HAVE DISPATCHED SUICIDE
BOMBERS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
THEY HAVE DONE ALL OF THIS WHILE
CONTINUING TO HARBOR AND FIGHT
ALONGSIDE AL QAEDA IN AN
ALLIANCE THE TWO GROUPS HAVE
MAINTAINED FOR DECADES.
GIVEN THAT GRAM WORK, EVEN IF A
PEACE DEAL WAS AGREED UPON WITH
THE TALIBAN, IS THERE ANY CHANCE
YOU WOULD BELIEVE THEY KEEP IT?
>> I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WOULD BE
A COLD DAY YOU KNOW WHERE WHEN I
AGREED WITH LIZ CHENEY.
EVEN PUTTING ASIZE THE
ANNIVERSARY DATE WHICH IS BAD IN
AND OF ITSELF, WHY DO WE WANT
OUR PRESIDENT DEALING WITH THESE
PEOPLE IT IS A REAL PROBLEM AND
A FAILURE OF THE TEAM TO COME
TOGETHER AND TO DO SOMETHING
TOGETHER.
TOGETHER. >>
>> >>.
>>. >> NO, THERE IS NO DISPLAYS A
PRESIDENT AND HIS LEADERSHIP
THAT ONE ACTED SURPRISED THAT
THEY WERE A BAD ACTOR.
HE ACTED SURPRISED AND SECTLY
GREAT REPORTING FROM THE NEW
YORK TIMES THAT FELT COMPELS TO
ACKNOWLEDGE PUBLICLY THAT THE
TALKS WERE GOING ON.
IT WAS THE PRESIDENT’S DECISION
TO PUBLIC SIDEIZE THEY DID THIS.
IN THE PRESIDENT IS DUE CREDIT,
GREAT, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN
YOU INVITE THEM TO AMERICAN SOIL
TO DO IT THE WEEK OF 9/11.
BUSH 43 SAID WE WILL MAKE NO
DISTINCTION BETWEEN THOSE WHO
COMMIT ACTS OF TERROR AND THOSE
THAT HARBOR THOSE THAT COMMIT
TERROR.
TERROR. I DON’T THINK THERE IS ANY
NEGOTIATION TO DO THAT.
FOR THE PRESIDENT TO SUGGEST HE
CAN CRUST THEM, SHOWS A
PRESIDENT DEVOID OF ANY
KNOWLEDGE.
KNOWLEDGE. THIS WAS NOT ABOUT PEOPLE
WANTING TO END THE WAR, BUT THE
LACK OF EMPATHY AND
UNDERSTANDING OF THE PEOPLE THAT
DIED HERE IN NEW YORK AND ON THE
BATTLEFIELD, HE THOUGHT IT WOULD
BE GOOD RATINGS TO HAVE A PEACE
SUMMIT WITH THE TALIBAN AT CAMP
DAVID ON 9/11.
>> EDDIE, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE
HAVE SEEN THE PRESIDENT DO, AND
WHETHER OR NOT IT IS HIS
ADMINISTRATION
ADMINISTRATION ADMINISTRATION, THEY SAY AT
LEAST HE IS TRYING.
WE KNOW HE WANTS TO SIT DOWN AND
HAVE THESE TYPE OF PETINGS AND
SAYING LOOK, I’M DOING SOMETHING
AND THEN WHEN NOTHING HAPPENS HE
MOVES ON TO ANOTHER STORY.
>> SO THE BAR IS LOW, SO HE
TRIES TO DO SOMETHING, AND EVEN
THOUGH IT IS FULL OF HIS OWN
NARCISSISM, THERE IS STILL AN
EFFORT TO GIVE HIM CREDIT.
THIS IS THE LONGEST OF THE
AMERICAN WARS.
AMERICAN WARS. THERE ARE MEN AND WOMEN THAT
WANT TO FIGHT THIS WAR THAT WERE
WORN WHEN IT STARTED.
THEIR AMERICAN LIVES, THEIR
BLOOD THAT HAS BEEN LOST AS A
RESULT OF THIS, AND WE NEED TO
GET OUT OF AFGHANISTAN.
BUT WE ALL NEED TO END THIS WAR.
IT IS NOT IN OUR INTEREST, NOT
IN THE INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE
OVER THERE, OR OF OUR BABIES.
>> THEY HAD TO GO BACK, LEARNING
ALL OF THIS IS EASIER SAID THAN
DONE, IS THERE A LESSON THAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP CAN LEARN OR IS
HE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF TRYING
TO LEARN A LESSON.
>> NO, THIS IS ALL MADE FOR TV
PRICK POLITICS.
PRICK POLITICS. HE TIED THE CEASE FIRE TO HIS
OWN REELECTION AND SAID I NEED
THIS TO LAST THROUGH 2020.
CAMP DAVID IS A HISTORIC PLACE
THAT YOU GO TO TO ANNOUNCE BIG
DEALS.
DEALS. IT’S WHERE ROOSEVELT TOOK
CHURCHILL.
CHURCHILL. REAGAN AND THATCHER APPLAUDED
THE END OF THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE.
DONALD TRUMP IS PRODUCING MADE
FOR TV MOMENTS AT THIS PLACE IN
A WAY THAT MAKES NOCEPS.
18 YEARS OF FIGHTING THESE
PEOPLE AND WE’RE GOING TO HOST
THEM ON 9/11 WEEK?
IT SENDS A TERRIBLE MESSAGE
ABOUT WHO THE PRESIDENT IS AND
WHAT HE WILL DO FOR A TV RATING.
>> HOW DO WE GET OUT OF IT?
>> IT IS HAVING REAL
CONVERSATIONS.
CONVERSATIONS. >> WE SAY THAT THOUGH, WHAT IS A
REAL CONVERSATION?
REAL CONVERSATION? >> IT IS NOT BLOWING IT UP ON
FRIDAY NIGHT AND SAYING BY THE
WAY WE HAVE BEEN HAVING SECRET
TALKS AND THEY’RE OVER BECAUSE
I’M ANGRY.
I’M ANGRY. HE HAMMERED PRESIDENT OBAMA IN A
TWEET FOR EVEN TALKING TO THE
TALIBAN.
TALIBAN. NOW FASTFORWARD LATER.
HE IS REALIZING THE TRUTH.
YOU HAVE TO TALK TO FOLKS AND
GIVE THEM HONEST ASSESSMENTS ON
WHAT TO DO.
>> YOU RELY MORE ON MULTILATERAL
PARTNERS TO DEAL WITH COMPUTER
RISKS OVER SEAS AND YOU EXCEPT
MORE RISK BY WITHDRAWING OUR
PRESENCE THERE.
PRESENCE THERE. IF WE LOSE VISIBILITY, WE’RE
ACCEPTING MORE RISK HERE ON THE
HOMELAND.
HOMELAND. BUT STEPH, WE’RE TALKING ABOUT
WHAT ALMOST HAPPENED, IMAGINE IF
THIS HAD HAPPENED.
IMAGINE THE IMAGERY AS GYM SAYS.
STANDING AT CAMP DAVID.
WE DIDN’T REALIZE WHAT ALLIES WE
WERE WORKING WITH.
DONALD TRUMP WAS TALKING ABOUT
AN IMAGE FOR THE WORLD TO SEE, A
GREAT DEALMAKER.
GREAT DEALMAKER. THE WEEK OF 9/11, THERE IS A