>>> I WANT TO SEE HIM IN PRISON. LET’S PLAY "HARDBALL."
>> GOOD EVENING.
I’M CHRIS MATTHEWS IN
WASHINGTON.
WASHINGTON. THOSE WORDS WERE ABOUT THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
I WANT TO SEE HIM IN PRISON.
POLITICO IS REPORTING ON SIDES
NIGHT, NAPS CLASHNCY PELOSI CLAS
JERRY NADLER ABOUT HOW TO HOLD
THE PRESIDENT ACCOUNTABLE.
UNHAPPY, NADLER PRESSED PELOSI
TO LAUNCH IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY
AND WAS REBUFFED BY THE SPEAKER
ACCORDING TO UNNAME THE SOURCES.
PELOSI’S RESPONSE WAS SHE DIDN’T
WANT TO HIM PEACH, SHE WANTED
HIM IN PRISON.
SHE WANTS HIM DEFEATED AND
PROSECUTED UNDER THE LAW.
WITH 59 MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO
EXPRESSED SUPPORT, HERE’S WHAT
CHAIRMAN NADLER SAID IN AN
INTERVIEW YESTERDAY.
INTERVIEW YESTERDAY. >> WHY NOT NOW?
WHAT’S THE PROBLEM IF YOU START
IT RIGHT NOW AND BEGIN THE
PROCESS, YOU ARE GOING TO GO
AHEAD WITH INVESTIGATIONS TO
BEGIN WITH.
BEGIN WITH. >> RIGHT NOW IT DOESN’T APPEAR
TO BE THE SUPPORT FOR IT.
>> IN YOUR COMMITTEE OR AMONG
THE DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE?
>> I’M NOT GOING TO GET INTO
THAT, BUT THERE DOES NOT APPEAR
TO BE SUPPORT FOR IT NOW AND WE
WILL SEE THE SUPPORT MAY
DEVELOP.
DEVELOP. >> THEY DELIVERED POLITICALLY
CHARGED REMARKS IN FRONT OF
GRAVES OF SERVICE MEMBERS.
THE PRESIDENT PUT DECORUM ASIDE
AND ATTACKED SPEAKER PELOSI AND
ROBERT MUELLER.
ROBERT MUELLER. >> DO YOU MIND IF HE TESTIFIES.
YOU SAID HE DIDN’T CARE.
>> HE MADE SUCH A FOOL OUT OF
HIMSELF THE LAST TIME BECAUSE
WHAT PEOPLE DON’T REPORT IS THE
LETTER HE HAD TO DO TO
STRAIGHTEN OUT HIS TESTIMONY
BECAUSE HIS TESTIMONY WAS WRONG.
NANCY PELOSI, I CALL HER NERVOUS
NANCY.
NANCY. NANCY PELOSI DOESN’T TALK ABOUT
IT.
IT. NANCY PELOSI IS A DISASTER.
SHE IS A DISASTER.
LET HER DO WHAT SHE WANTS.
THEY ARE IN BIG TROUBLE.
>> THIS COMES AS POLITICO
REPORTS THAT ROBERT MUELLER
COULD BE SUBPOENAED IN THE NEXT
TWO WEEKS.
TWO WEEKS. DEMOCRATS ARE PREPARING A HOUSE
RESOLUTION EMPOWERING THEIR
CHAIRS TO ENFORCE THE SUBPOENAS
THAT THE WHITE HOUSE SAID
BLOCKED AT EVERY TURN.
ACCORDING TO POLITICO, IT’S A
MOVE TO STREAM LINE AND SPEED UP
THE HOUSE’S ABILITY TO RESPOND
TO A MOUNTING LIST OF
CONFRONTATIONS WITH THE WHITE
HOUSE.
HOUSE. I’M JOINED BY SHANNON PETTY
PIECE AND JOE CROWLEY AND FORMER
CHAIR OF THE HOUSE DEMOCRATIC
CAUCUS, AARON BLAKE IS A SENIOR
REPORTER AT "THE WASHINGTON
POST."
POST." THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
I HAVE NEVER HEARD -- I
SOMETIMES THINK TRUMP HAS
BROUGHT DEVIATION TO THE NORM.
THE SPEAKER IS SAYING HE OUGHT
TO BE IN PRISON.
IMAGINE YOU LIVE IN A RINKY
DIRCHGDINK
DIRCHGDINK COUNTRY THAT DOESN’T HAVE
DEMOCRACY.
DEMOCRACY. WE HAVE THE LEADER SAYING THE
OTHER GUY IS IN PRISON.
THIS IS WHAT WE USED TO SEE IN
PAKISTAN.
PAKISTAN. DEFEAT THE GUY AND HANG HIM.
>> I THINK IT’S IN POLITICS
RHETORIC.
RHETORIC. PELOSI IS SPEAKING TO A NUMBER
OF WINGS WITHIN THE PARTY
ITSELF.
ITSELF. I THINK SHE HAS TO BE HEARD TO
BE STRONG ON THIS.
SHE IS TAKING A SLIGHTLY
DIFFERENT TACTIC.
DIFFERENT TACTIC. >> IN OTHER WORDS, SHE SAID SHE
REALLY DOESN’T LIKE TRUMP, THAT
MAKES UP FOR THE FACT SHE IS NOT
IMPEACHING HIM.
IMPEACHING HIM. >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. I HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG,
SHE DOESN’T BELIEVE IN A BANANA
REPUBLIC.
REPUBLIC. SHE BELIEVES ELECTIONS HAVE
CONSEQUENCES.
CONSEQUENCES. IMPEACHMENT SHOULDN’T BE USED
EVERY TIME A PERSON DOESN’T LIKE
THE PRESIDENT.
THE PRESIDENT. YOU HEAR ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.
IT’S ALMOST THE NORM.
THE OTHER PARTY TRIES TO IMPEACH
THEM.
THEM. WHAT SHE IS SAYING, STAY THE
COURSE, DO YOUR JOBS AND
INVESTIGATE AND LET THE TRUTH
LEAD.
LEAD. >> SHE’S NOT GOING TO IMPEACH.
>> I READ THE SECOND VOLUME OF
THE MUELLER REPORT AND IT’S
PRETTY DAMNING.
PRETTY DAMNING. >> I KNOW WHAT YOU THINK AND I
ACCEPT IT, BUT I DON’T BELIEVE
SHE WILL BE FOR IMPEACHMENT A
YEAR FROM NOW.
ALL THE REPORTING SAID SHE IS
DELAYING AND SAYING I WANT TO
HEAR FROM ONE MORE WITNESS AND
DON McGAHN AND YOUMUELLER.
WE HAVE A FRONT PAGE STORY THE
NEXT DAY THAT McGAHN SAID TO
FIRE MUELLER AND HE DIDN’T
FOLLOW-UP.
FOLLOW-UP. HE DIDN’T FIRE MUELLER.
WHERE IS THE CASE?
I CAN SEE THIS COMING APART.
>> OUR REPORTING INDICATES THAT
THIS PRISON COMMENT WAS MEANT TO
MEAN MORE WHAT YOU WERE SAYING
THAT I DON’T WANT TO IMPEACH.
LET’S FIND ANY OTHER METHOD THAN
IMPEACHMENT.
IMPEACHMENT. INDICT HIM AND PUT HIM IN PRISON
AFTER HE IS OUT OF OFFICE.
>> SHE SAID I WANT HIM IN
PRISON.
PRISON. >> BECAUSE SHE DIDN’T WANT TO
IMPEACH HIM.
IMPEACH HIM. I BELIEVE IT’S I DON’T WANT TO
IMPEACH HIM, I WANT HIM IN
PRISON.
PRISON. I WILL DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN
IMPEACH THIS PRESIDENT.
>> THAT’S NOT HER CHOICE.
THAT’S THE CHOICE OF PROSECUTORS
AND OTHER PEOPLE IN THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT.
DEPARTMENT. SHE MAY -- THEY MAY NOT HAVE
THAT DECISION TO MAKE IF THE
PRESIDENT IS REELECTED WHICH A
LOT OF PEOPLE SAY IS A 40, 50,
60% CHANCE.
60% CHANCE. THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS IS
GOING TO RUN ON MOST OF THE
FEDERAL CRIMES THAT THEY CAN
CHARGE HIM WITH.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET HIM IN
PRISON IF YOU CAN’T CHARGE HIM
AFTER THAT TERM?
>> YOU CAN ALWAYS IMPEACH HIM IN
THE SECOND TERM.
>> YES.
>> YES. >> EVERYBODY IS A PUNDIT AND
WAIT UNTIL THE SECOND TERM TO
IMPEACH HIM.
IMPEACH HIM. THAT WOULD LOSE A LOT BY THEN.
>> I GUESS THAT IS.
>> TWICE ELECT THE GUY AND THEN
IMPEACH HIM?
IMPEACH HIM? >> THAT’S WHAT HAPPENED TO NIXON
IN HIS SECOND TERM.
>> THE CALCULUS IS THERE IS NOT
GOING TO BE IMPEACHMENT.
THEY DON’T THINK THERE IS ENOUGH
SUPPORT AND I DON’T KNOW IF THEY
ARE CORRECT, BUT THE DEMOCRATS
ARE NOT GOING TO IMPEACH BECAUSE
THEY DON’T HAVE THE VOTES.
NOT BECAUSE THEY DON’T THINK THE
PRESIDENT COMMITTED THE CRIME.
BECAUSE THERE IS NOT THE
SUPPORT.
SUPPORT. >> I THINK PELOSI IS THE
SMARTEST SPEAKER WE HAVE EVER
HAD IN SO MANY WAYS.
SHE IS CALCULATING THE
FOLLOWING.
FOLLOWING. REMEMBER THE OPENING SCENE IN
GONE WITH THE WIND WHERE THERE
IS A CHEER GOING WAR WITH THE
YANKEES?
YANKEES? HE CALLS THEM THE IMPEACHMENT
DEMOCRAT
DEMOCRAT DEMOCRATS.
DEMOCRATS. EVERY DAY HE DANCES ON THE
GRAVES AND WINS.
>> IT SEEMS TO BE HIS GAME PLAN.
I THINK WHAT’S LACKING IS
CHARACTER AND INTEGRITY AND
PELOSI HAS IT IN DROVES.
THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP THIS
CAUCUS TOGETHER AND BEHIND HER
IN THIS.
IN THIS. THEY BELIEVE IN HER.
SHE HAS MORE A SITUATION AND
IT’S A TESTAMENT.
CAN SHE KEEP IT WHERE IT IS NOW?
>> I THINK SHE CAN.
>> WHAT ARE PRESSURE IS ON
CHAIRMAN NADLER?
CHAIRMAN NADLER? HE IS GETTING PRESSURE I ASSUME
FROM THE NEWER MEMBERS LIKE ALL
OF THEM AND ALSO GETTING
PRESSURE FROM THE BOSS.
>> HERE’S A GUY WHO VOTED FOR
THE IRAN DEAL.
WHY IT MATTERS.
THE NEWISH AMERICAN HIMSELF, THE
LARGEST SUPPORTER BY JEWISH
AMERICA AND TOOK THAT AGAINST
THE PRIMARY.
THE PRIMARY. >> JERRY IS A TOUGH GUY AND
DOESN’T BELIEVE IN USING THE
JUSTICE SYSTEM TO PERSECUTE.
EVEN THIS PRESIDENT.
HE BELIEVES HE WILL FOLLOW THE
LAW AND AGAIN, FOLLOW THE TRUTH.
LET THE TRUTH COME OUT AND LET
IT LEAD WHERE IT GOES.
>> HE CAN CONTINUE DOING
INDICTMENTS AND CONTEMPT AND
HEARINGS AND SHOWING THAT WING
OF THE PARTY WE ARE DOING
SOMETHING AND EXPOSING THIS.
WE ARE EMBARRASSING THE
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. HE CONTINUES TO PAINT IT WITHOUT
HAVING TO GO THE IMPEACHMENT
ROUTE.
ROUTE. THEY WILL ACCOMPLISH THE THINGS
THEY MAY WANT TO ACCOMPLISH.
>> TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED ON
TUESDAY WITH THE ROUGH MEETING
BETWEEN HER AND THE CHAIRMAN.
GIVEN THE CHANCE, NANCY PELOSI
REFUSED TO COMMENT ON TRUMP’S
POSSIBLE IMPEACHMENT WHILE
COMMEMORATING THE HEROES OF
D-DAY.
D-DAY. SHE DIDN’T PLAY TRUMP’S GAME
TODAY.
TODAY. >> DO YOU WORRY ABOUT THE
POLITICS WITH IMPEACHMENT AND
EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE TABLE AND
HOW THEY CAN FURTHER DIVIDE US?
>> AGAIN, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT
TO YOUR QUESTION, I’M NOT HERE
TO TALK ABOUT IMPEACHMENT.
>> I HAVE TO WONDER ABOUT THE
MEDIA.
MEDIA. ANDREA IS THE BEST THERE IS, BUT
WE PROBABLY SHOULDN’T TALK NASTY
BOY POLITICS IN FRONT OF THE
GRAVES.
GRAVES. WE HAVE ALL BEEN THERE.
IT’S AN ASTOUNDING PLACE TO GO
AND GRAVESITES ARE SOMETHING
ELSE AND IT IS SACRED GROUND.
>> IT’S ALWAYS THAT POLITICS
STOPS AT THE WATER’S EDGE AND