Over the weekend, surfer Sarah Brady posted screenshots of
text messages on her Instagram and accused her ex partner,
actor Jonah Hill, of misogyny and emotional abuse.
Now, following her allegations, another woman,
a child actor, came out with allegations of physical abuse by Jonah Hill.
And we'll get to that in just a moment.
But this did create a pretty heated debate online about what constitutes abuse.
Boundaries and relationships, privacy, and a lot more, especially because Hill just
had a baby with his current partner, his current fiance.
Now, before we get to that, let me give you the details of what the allegations
are and what the text messages said.
So Sarah, who began dating Jonah Hill back in 2021 before their
split in 2022, posted this screenshot on her Instagram story.
Okay, so I'm gonna read it to you.
So this is what Jonah Hill sent to her, okay?
Plain and simple.
If you need surfing with men, boundary lists.
Inappropriate friendships with men to model,
to post pictures of yourself in a bathing suit,
to post sexual pictures, friendships with women who are in unstable places.
And from your wild recent past, beyond getting lunch or
something respectful, I am not the right partner for you.
If these things bring you to a place of happiness, I support it, and
there will be no hard feelings.
These are my boundaries for romantic partnership.
He continues.
My boundaries with you are based on the ways these actions have hurt our trust.
Now, that last part, clearly,
he's referencing something that we are not privy to.
And to be quite frank with you all, I kind of hate this current culture
of publicly calling someone out and pretending as though you're
doing it because you're trying to fight some sort of injustice.
When in reality, if you are a victim of emotional abuse,
I would definitely deal with it.
But dealing with it publicly in this way, I think is strange.
Also, just that text alone, in my personal opinion,
shows that Jonah Hill is deeply insecure.
And if I were in a relationship with him and he sent me that text, I would actually
appreciate knowing that he feels that way because I wouldn't wanna be with a guy
who's that pathetically Insecure, >> Okay, so to me,
there's three different issues here.
Did Jonah Hill do something wrong here?
And should there be consequences to that?
Should this have been made public?
And then the third thing is, is emotional abuse a thing?
Holds for the nuance of that conversation, okay?
So did Jonah Hill do things wrong?
First of all, all these texts are allegedly Jonah Hill.
He has not confirmed it, and neither is anyone else.
But let's assume for a second that it is him, okay?
Or whoever sent them, right?
Yeah, it seems way too controlling, right?
Like, hey, you can't see this person.
You got to get my perdition.
>> You can't surf with men.
He's a surfer.
>> Of course, look, anyways to me I can't stand that stuff.
If somebody tries to control me, it deeply, deeply bothers me.
And everybody's different, and
everybody's got different relationship boundaries, et cetera.
The way that he uses boundaries sounds a little manipulative to whoever it
is, right?
So, okay, fine.
There we judge them, okay?
But two is, should it have been public in the first place, and hence,
should we have had an opportunity to judge him?
No, no, no.
And there's a giant difference between emotional and physical abuse, okay?
You got a charge of physical abuse.
Well, that's against the law, and that's a thing that's real, right?
Okay, you wanna come forward with physical abuse?
That makes sense, okay?
Emotional abuse.
Well, that's such a giant range, right?
So wait, are we all supposed to judge your relationship?
I think that's crazy.
Why are we judging their relationship?
Then we could judge everybody's relationship.
You know how many crappy things everyone does, guys, girls,
et cetera in relationships?
So now if you're famous, everyone has to out you for
every relationship, and then we all have to judge you.
I hate it, I can't stand it, and let's keep it real.
She's like, I'm trying to be respectful.
So I did it as soon as their baby was born, but not while she was pregnant.
No, I'm sorry.
But you take it up with him in private.
You take it up with your therapist.
He didn't break any laws.
You're just outing him because you want to.
And can I keep it real?
I don't care, I'm gonna keep it real.
You wanted to get a little bit more famous?
>> Thousand percent.
She's like, I didn't expect this to turn into a big deal, a big tabloid.
>> Come on, get out of here.
>> Come on. >> Of course you did.
And that's not why I'm doing it.
No, I'm sorry, that is why you're doing it, okay?
So there's a thousand ways to handle this without going public with it and
having the guy on trial in front of everyone.
>> And by the way, look, I do wanna give her credit for
waiting for his fiance to deliver the baby.
Because immediately after women deliver babies,
they're actually in a far less stressful situation.
And they're not going through anything like postpartum depression or
the chaos of being a new mom or anything like that.
So it's a good time to publicly put this out into the world about the person that
she just had a baby with.
But nonetheless, I do wanna also just look, he had boundaries.
That just if you look at it in a vacuum and nothing else about the context of
their relationship or what he was referencing, there about lack of trust.
Those boundaries are insane, right?
So I'm gonna give you an example of some of the photos that
he wanted her to take down from her Instagram page.
So Brady also shared a text she sent, including a list of all the posts I
removed from my page, to which he allegedly responded, good start.
She uploaded a picture Friday that she said she previously
took down by request of a narcissistic misogynist, though.
>> But you're not narcissistic, right?
>> Okay, though she did not name Hill in that post.
And so this is the photo that she posted with that caption.
She looks perfectly fine.
>> Look, I doubt she made the whole thing up, but whoever the guy is,
whether it's Jonah Hill or not.
Yeah, okay, I don't agree with him.
Great, you got me to judge his personal life.
Terrific, congratulations, okay?
But to me, the giant distinction, as I said, is between physical and emotional.
And when I say, is emotional abuse a thing?
>> It is.
>> Of course it is.
But what do we do with it?
Do we then arrest someone for emotional abuse?
No, right?
I think that's crazy, right?
Do we fire people because they did emotional abuse inside of a relationship,
and then their boss or the movie studio, et cetera, found out and
we're supposed to fire someone over it?
The reason why I say hell no to all of that is because, one, it's way too vague.
Where the hell do you draw the line?
And two, there's way too much of it.
Then everyone's going to be arrested or fired.
I mean, emotional abuse is so
rampant that we're all gonna have to go to relationship jail.
>> I mean, people monetize it.
>> Yeah, I mean, are you kidding me?
[LAUGH] Look at the media, everything is emotional abuse.
But seriously, guys, I'm not saying that it's not a big deal in relationships.
I think it's a huge deal in relationships.
But that's got to be personal.
It can't be that society at large goes,
I think you drew the wrong line in that relationship, and
you told him to do this and this, and you were emotionally abusive to him.
You should be fired.
What?
No, we cannot get into that judgment.
We'll never get out.
>> Yeah, so Brady also claims that she and Jonah Hill were seeing a couple's
therapist that instructed her to paddle away from men while surfing and
tell them, quote, I'm going to talk to my boyfriend.
So I guess she's throwing therapist under the bus.
I don't even know who this therapist is.
She wrote Friday that she posted the text screenshots as a warning to all girls and
advised that if your partner talks to you in a similar way to make an exit plan.
She says, quote, someone being an emotionally abusive
partner doesn't mean they're a terrible person, often stems from their own trauma,
and at the same time, it doesn't mean it's okay.
I, too, struggle with mental health, but
I do not use it to control people like he did to me.
>> Although you are using it right now.
>> It's been a year of healing and growth with the help of loved ones and
doctors to get back to living my life without guilt, shame and self-judgment.
For things as small as surfing in a swimsuit rather than a more conservative
wetsuit.
And I'm sure there's still much more healing from this abuse ahead of me.
>> But then, now you made it public.
Not only are you putting him on trial, but
of course people are gonna say that you did something wrong.
Now, I hate that you're on trial, right?
>> Listen, this is what I wanna say about it, okay?
By putting this out in the public, your life is now being debated, right?
>> Yes.
>> I can't stand it when it happens to me.
I don't think that it's healthy.
It actually in the past has led to spirals for me.
And so, look, I think that it was short sighted to put this out there.
I do agree that emotional abuse is a thing.
I don't know all the facts of their relationship.
All we're hearing right now is one specific side of the relationship.
Based on what I've read, he seems deeply, deeply insecure.
But I do want to go on to the other allegation that came out.
>> Okay, but by the way, I'll just say one quick thing on Jonah Hill in regards to
this first allegation, he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
If he doesn't respond, everybody believes her.
If he does respond, they're gonna pick his response apart to no end.
>> Of course.
>> And they're gonna dog pile on him, et cetera.
So the minute it goes public, you can't put that genie back in a bottle and
both folks are gonna go through a ton of emotional trauma.
So I think it's a very bad idea overall.
Okay, now to the more serious story.
>> So, amidst all of these allegations is the fact that Jonah Hill just had a baby
with his current girlfriend, Olivia Miller.
Brady says that Miller's pregnancy is part of the reason that she didn't go to
the public with her allegations until now.
I just wanted to reiterate that.
Let's fast forward to the latest allegations.
So over the weekend, so as this was all unfolding, a former child actress
by the name of Alexa Nicholas also levied accusations against Jonah Hill,
in this case for alleged physical assault.
So we're ramping up the allegations here, right?
It's not merely mental or emotional manipulation.
She's arguing that there was a physical assault when he was 24 and
she was just 16.
So in her tweets, Nicholas describes how she and
a friend attended a party that Hill was at, likely around 2008.
She recounts Hill asking her to walk outside with him to his car to grab
a cigarette.
And here's what she writes.
Then as we walk back to the door, I ask him for the cigarette and
he said nothing but slam me to the door and shoved his tongue down my throat.
I was so appalled, I pushed him off of me and ran inside.
So that is a serious allegation, I don't know what to do with it.
>> I don't know either. >> I don't know what to do with it because
she's allegedly 16 at the time.
He's allegedly 24 at the time.
He got physical with her against her will, according to the accusation.
That is a very serious allegation.
>> I don't know what to do with it, guys.
>> That we can't prove, that we don't have the ability to approve or adjudicate.
>> What do you want to happen?
Okay, so if you had come forward at that time, you could prove or disprove it.
And that way, either you get justice if he assaulted you or
he gets justice because he didn't assault you.
And everybody finds out.
Now, how many years later is it?
How are we gonna adjudicate this?
And guys,
is it relevant that he's famous in terms of why people are coming out against him?
Come on, keep it real.
And by the way, in the past, famous people used to get away with murder, right?
And they would do all these abusive things because they could get away with it.
So these days, if you're famous like these guys, these actors,
you do one thing wrong 2030 years ago here we go.
Everybody wants to get famous, so then they're gonna do X, Y and Z.
So are these charges true?
Are they legitimate?
I don't know.
I don't know how I'm supposed to know.
There's no trial.
The minute it goes out there, he's guilty.
I don't know. >> If you're concerned about our criminal
justice system failing in providing justice, especially in cases like this.
You're definitely not gonna get justice in the court of public opinion.
And that's really the worst part about all of this.
I don't know what to do with it.
>> Yeah, that young woman, she might be 100% right, and
now the right wing will tear her apart, right?
>> That's what I'm saying.
>> Yeah. >> No one wins in the court of public
opinion ever.
Especially these days.
>> 100%, cuz there's always going to
be super animated folks who are gonna rip both parties apart.
So you make them public if you want, but it's a disaster.
So it is what it is.
It's me 324 rodent.
Cenk, some people are truly abusive in non-tactile ways.
It can be just as bad as some physical abuse.
Speaking as someone who's been through the physical and
going through the emotional, it hurts to hear your perspective, but
I respect it because you're honest and love TYT for honest opinions.
Guys, what I'm trying to say is not that emotional abuse is no big deal.
That's why I tried to be clear, but apparently I wasn't clear enough, and
that's on me, okay?
No, I think emotional abuse is oftentimes worse than physical abuse and
is a massive problem.
The problem is that it's such a giant problem that it's hard to tackle.
>> It's hard to, I guess, define.
>> It's hard to define.
>> And hard to.
>> Adjudicate.
>> Adjudicate, yeah.
I understood what you meant, and I think you bring up look,
I 1000% believe and know from personal experience.
Not because it happened to me, but because it was happening to someone that I love,
that emotional abuse is real and it is horrible.
But you bring up an interesting point because how do you adjudicate it, right?
Like, how do you prosecute it?
How do you define it? >> No, you can't.
>> So, the worry is, if it's too ambiguous or if it's too vague,
then there would be over prosecution, right?
Like, I would be concerned about that.
But I do think that in the clear cases, I don't know what to do about it.
No way, you cannot prosecute it.
You can not prosecute it, guys.
There'll be no end to that slippery slope, okay?
So look, I've seen tons of emotional abuse and it's devastating.
Basically, in some of the worst cases, they basically capture the other person's
mind and they turn that person's mind against them.
It's really sick to see, right?
But then where do we know whose opinions it was?
And, that person captured my mind.
Well, how do we prove it?
How do we prove it in a court of law?
You know what I'm saying?
It's near impossible to prove.
And then you'd be bringing everybody to court because people manipulate each other
nonstop.
And then where do you draw the line, right?
>> So this is not a spoiler.
So if you're watching the show or you're looking forward to watching the show,
don't worry.
But I'm watching the second season of the Bear.
Do you watch that?
>> No, is it good?
>> It is fantastic, although.
>> Wow. >> I was not emotionally prepared to watch
the episode that me and my husband watched last night.
And it was this hour long episode, honestly, about emotional abuse.
And it is devastating.
And I do think that there needs to be a discussion about
what to do to protect people or to offer a place of protection for
people who have been victimized by that, right?
>> That's a giant difference.
And thank you for bringing that up.
Because what I'm saying is you can't do anything, in my opinion,
with the law on it, nor should you get into firing people over it because,
again, it's gonna be a giant mess.
But that doesn't mean you shouldn't help people.
You should definitely help people cuz it's massively real, right?
And so if we could find private enterprises, et cetera, or
therapy and resources to help.
I don't mean money, I mean, like, actual I don't know if it's hotlines,
I don't know what it is.
But to pull people out of that morass,
it's almost like a prison of the mind that the abuser creates, right?
And to help free those people and get them to a life that they love and
enjoy and that's their own.
Look, I billion percent wanna do that and agree with you, et cetera.
It's just how we do these things is the question.