DEBRIS, SURVIVORS ARE EMERGING.
MIKA.
JOE.
>> OH, RICHARD ENG EM, THANK
YOU.
MORE ON THAT NEW REPORTING THAT
RICHARD MENTIONED FROM THE "NEW
YORK TIMES" DETAILING HOW THE
INCREASING NUMBER OF RUSSIAN
TROOP DEATHS IS SEVERELY
IMPACTING MORALE.
THE PENTAGON ESTIMATES 7,000
RUSSIAN TROOPS HAVE BEEN KILLED
IN THE THREE-WEEK WAR SO FAR.
WHICH IS GREATER THAN THE NUMBER
OF AMERICAN TROOPS KILLED IN
OVER 20 YEARS IN IRAQ AND
AFGHANISTAN COMBINED BETWEEN 14
AND 21,000 RUSSIAN TROOPS HAVE
BEEN INJURED.
AMERICAN OFFICIALS TELL THE
"TIMES" THE STAGGERING NUMBERS
HAVE AN IMPACT.
THE 10% CASUALTY RATE INCLUDING
DEAD AND WOUNDED FOR A SINGLE
UNIT RENDERS IT UNABLE TO CARRY
OUT COMBAT-RELATED TASKS.
THE REPORT CONTINUES, QUOTE,
PENTAGON OFFICIALS SAY THAT A
HIGH, AND RISING, NUMBER OF WAR
DEAD CAN DESTROY THE WILL TO
CONTINUE FIGHTING.
THE RESULT, THEY SAY, HAS SHOWN
UP IN INTELLIGENCE REPORTS THAT
SENIOR OFFICIALS IN THE BIDEN
ADMINISTRATION READ EVERY DAY.
ONE RECENT REPORT FOCUSSED ON
LOW MORALE AMONG RUSSIAN TROOPS
AND DESCRIBED SOLDIERS JUST
PARKING THEIR VEHICLES AND
WALKING OFF INTO THE WOODS.
WESTERN OFFICIALS TELL THE
"TIMES" AROUND 20 RUSSIAN
GENERALS HAVE BEEN PUSHED CLOSER
TO THE FRONT LINES IN AN EFFORT
TO BOOST MORALE.
THREE OF THEM ARE CONFIRMED DEAD
AND YESTERDAY, UKRAINIAN
OFFICIALS SAID THEIR FORCES
KILLED A FOURTH.
JOINING US NOW, DEMOCRATIC
CONGRESSWOMAN ALYSSA SLOTKIN,
PREVIOUSLY SERVED AS A MIDDLE
EAST ANALYST FOR THE CIA AND
SERVED AS ACTING ASSISTANT
SECRETARY OF DEFENSE FOR
INTERNATIONAL SECURITY AFFAIRS.
IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU ON BOARD
THIS MORNING.
>> SO CONGRESSWOMAN, YOU LOOK AT
THE POLLING NUMBERS AND MOST
AMERICANS ACTUALLY SUPPORT
PLURALITYS.
SUPPORT IS DOING MORE THAN WE
ARE DOING RIGHT NOW.
YOU LOOK AT THE "WALL STREET
JOURNAL" OPINION PAGES AND IT
REFLECTS SOME OF THOSE FEELINGS.
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, ITSELF,
SAYING WHY NOT VICTORY IN
UKRAINE?
I AM STRUCK BY THE LAST LINE,
WHERE THEY SAID, MR. BIDEN
WANTED TO BEAT FDR.
THE WORLD NEEDS HIM TO BE TRUMAN
AT THE DAWN OF THE WAR.
ALSO A FORMER U.N. AMBASSADOR TO
THE UNITED NATIONS SAYS THE WEST
MUST DO MORE, RISK FOR UKRAINE.
SO, THE QUESTION IS, YOU HEARD
THE SPEECH.
YOU HEARD THE PRESIDENT'S SPEECH
AFTER.
YOU SEEN THESE POLLS, AMERICANS
WANTING US TO DO MORE, WHILE NOT
GETTING ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE
HOT WAR.
WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO RIGHT NOW?
>> YEAH, WELL, I DO THINK THE
PACKINGAGE THE PRESIDENT
INTRODUCED IS MORE.
PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY HAS BEEN
ASKING FOR HELP IN THE SKIES
ABOVE UKRAINE TO CREATE PARODY
OR MORE COMPETITION WITH THE
RUSSIAN AIR POWER AND WHAT WE
ANNOUNCED YESTERDAY WAS
ADDITIONAL DRONES, ADDITIONAL
ANTI-AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS, JUST A
WHOLE RANGE OF THINGS ON TOP OF
WHAT WE ALREADY PROVIDED THAT AT
LEAST HELP EVEN THE SCORE.
THE UKRAINIANS ARE DOING
EXCEPTIONALLY WELL WITH THOSE
WEAPONS.
IT'S NOT WHAT PRESIDENT
ZELENSKYY SORT OF WOULD WANT I
THINK IN HIS PERFECT HEART HOFF
HEARTS, WHICH IS A NO-FLY ZONE.
BUT IF AMERICANS WANT TO EVEN
THE BATTLE OUT AND NOT HAVE
AMERICAN SONS AND DAUGHTERS
FIGHTING RUSSIA, THEN THIS IS TO
ME A VERY IMPORTANT STEP.
IT SHOULD COME WITH OTHER
ECONOMIC SANCTIONS WE CAN DO,
KEEPING UP THAT PUNISHMENT, THAT
DRUM BEAT.
I THINK YESTERDAY WE STARTED TO
PUT MORE OUT THERE THAT REALLY
HELPS BALANCE THE SCALES A BIT
MORE.
>> TWO THINGS FOR YOU.
FIRST, I WANT TO GET YOUR
REACTION TO WHAT YOU HEARD FROM
A RATHER EMOTIONAL PRESIDENT
ZELENSKYY IN HIS ADDRESS TO
CONGRESS YESTERDAY.
BUT SECOND, GET YOU TO REACT TO
BREAKING NEWS WE GOT RIGHT NOW,
WHICH THE WHITE HOUSE ANNOUNCED
THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN IS GOING TO
BE SPEAKING TO CHINA'S XI
JINPING TOMORROW AND THE TOPIC
WILL BE UKRAINE.
THERE CERTAINLY IS A SENSE THAT
RUSSIA HAS OBVIOUSLY ALIGNED
ITSELF WITH CHINA, AT LEAST
ATTEMPTED TO DURING THIS MOMENT.
THERE IS A SENSE AMONG SOME
OBSERVERS THAT PRESIDENT ECONOMY
MIGHT BE ONE OF THE VERY FEW
VOICES OUT THERE THAT MIGHT HAVE
SOME INFLUENCE OVER PUTIN.
HOW DO YOU THINK THIS SHOULD GO?
>> I THINK THAT'S A VAR
IMPORTANT PHONE CALL.
WHAT IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW IS
CHINA IS LITERALLY TAKING NOTES
ON EVERYTHING THAT IS HAPPENING
ON RUSSIA AND UKRAINE.
RIGHT?
THIS IS A PARALLEL SITUATION IF
THEY EVER DECIDED TO GO TO
TAIWAN.
THEY ARE WATCHING VERY CLOSELY
HOW THE WORLD REACTS.
HOW THE UNITED STATES REACTS.
I THINK YOU KNOW THE OTHER THING
IS THEY HAVE ECONOMIC INTERESTS
IN BEING CLOSER TO CHINA AND
COMING IN AND FILLING THE GAP,
WHERE PAYPAL LEADS E LEAVES, THE
CHINESE WANT TO SURGE IN.
THEY ARE A CONSUMER OF
EVERYTHING RUSSIA PRODUCES.
IT'S A COMPLICATED MOMENT FOR
RUSSIA, SORRY, FOR CHINA.
I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT MOMENT
TO SEE WHICH DIRECTION THEY'RE
GOING IN.
THAT PHONE CALL IS A PERFECT
TIME FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THOIP
TO BE
CHINA TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THE
DIRECTION HE WILL TAKE.
>> CONGRESSWOMAN, THERE IS A BIG
NATO MEETING COMING UP NEXT
WEEK.
THE ISSUE OF JETS IN THE NO-FLY
ZONES RULED OFF THE TABLE BY
STOLTENBERG.
DO YOU THINK WE ARE EDGING
CLOSER TO GIVING UKRAINE THE
JETS THAT IT WANTS?
I HAD A CONVERSATION YESTERDAY
WITH SOME UKRAINIAN MILITARY
OFFICIALS AND THEY SAID, WE KNOW
THAT THE WEST THINKS WE'RE NOT
USING OUR OWN JETS.
THERE IS A REASON.
WHAT'S THE BACK STORY BEHIND THE
JETS' DISCUSSION AND WHETHER IT
WOULD OR WOULD NOT BE HELPFUL
FOR THEM TO HAVE THOSE?
>> I THINK WHEN CONSEQUENCES
HAPPEN, I REMEMBER WHEN ISIS
TOOK OVER PARTS OF IRAQ AND
SYRIA.
YOU ARE QUICKLY TRYING TO GET
WEAPONS IN THE HANDS OF THE
KURDS AND THE IRAQIS AND THE
WEAPONS SYSTEMS THEY ARE
FAMILIARING WITH.
YOU ARE SCOURING THE WORLD FOR
AMMUNITION, RUSSIAN-MADE SYSTEMS
AND UKRAINIANS IN THIS CASE CAN
USE AND PLANES, AIR PLANES OF
ALL KIND WILL BE ONE OF THE
THINGS THEY ASK FOR FIRST.
I THINK THERE IS AN OPEN
QUESTION ON WHETHER THEY WOULD
USE THEM AND TO WHAT EFFECT.
I DON'T THINK IT IN MY POSITION
LIKE I'M GOING TO BE SAYING WHAT
THE UKRAINIANS CAN AND CANNOT
DO.
IF THEY NEED AND ARE ASKING US
FOR MORE AIR POWER, WE WANT
COUNTRIES TO STEP UP AND DO IT.
I THINK THE HOT POTATO SITUATION
THAT HAPPENED WITH POLAND IS
THEY WERE SORT OF THE DOG THAT
CAUGHT THE CAR.
THEY SAID, SURE, WE'D BE HAPPY
TO GIVE THESE AIR FRAMES.
THE UNITED STATES SAYS, ORK,
GREAT, WE WANT TO WORK ON THAT
THEY SAID, HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
SO I THINK THERE WAS A BIT OF A
SURPRISE THAT PEOPLE WERE SO
WILLING TO DO THIS AND POLAND
AND OTHER COUNTRIES ARE
OBVIOUSLY WORRIED ABOUT THE RISK
OF ESCALATION.
THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT BEING SEEN
BY RUSSIA AS A PARTY TO THE WAR.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO PUSH AT
THIS NATO MEETING TO REALLY GET
THE SURROUNDING COUNTRIES TO
SAY, HEY, WE'RE STRONG IF WE
LINK ARMS TOGETHER.
LET'S GET THE UKRAINIANS THE
THINGS YOU MAY HAVE IN YOUR