GINSBURG. AND REVEREND MARK THOMPSON, A
RADIO HOST FOR SIRIUSXM.
ERIN TO YOU FIRST, THE
PRESIDENT’S WORDS, DO THEY HAVE
AN IMPACT ON BRETT KAVANAUGH’S
CONFIRMATION?
CONFIRMATION? THERE HAD TO BE SOME STRATEGY
LAST NIGHT BEFORE HE TOOK THE
STAGE.
STAGE. >> STEPHANIE, WHAT WE SAW WAS
HIM REVERTING TO HIS FAVORITE
MODE, WHICH WAS CAMPAIGN MODE.
HE WAS EVEN USING THE SAME
LINES.
LINES. WHEN HE WAS ACCUSED OF SEXUAL
ASSAULT BY MORE THAN A DOZEN
WOMEN DURING THE CAMPAIGN HE
RESPONDED IN A VERY SIMILAR
FASHION, RIGHT, HE TURNED IT ON
THEM.
THEM. >> 50% OF WHITE WOMEN VOTED FOR
HIM.
HIM. >> EXACTLY, 53% OF WHITE WOMEN
VOTED FOR HIM.
HE DID GREAT AMONG NON-COLLEGE
WOMAN AND WOMEN WITH COLLEGE
DEGREES WHO WERE WHITE,
NARROWLY.
NARROWLY. SO I THINK HE’S MADE THE
CALCULATION THAT HE IS GOING TO
RALLY HIS BASE.
YOU SAW ALL OF THOSE LAUGHING
FACES AROUND HIM.
AND THE QUESTION IS GOING TO BE,
WILL HE DO SO AT THE EX-TENS OF
JEFF FLAKE, LISA MURKOWSKI AND
SUSAN COLLINS?
SUSAN COLLINS? BUT THIS IS WHAT HE LOVES TO DO.
I MEAN, THEY WERE SHOUTING LOCK
HER UP, WHO IS HER?
RIGHT, IT’S FILL IN THE HER.
IT’S THE RAGE OF WHO IS THE
FALSELY ACCUSED.
FALSELY ACCUSED. MEANWHILE, HE BEGAN HIS CAMPAIGN
BY SAYING THAT MEXICO WAS
SENDING RAPISTES.
SENDING RAPISTES. SO I THINK IT’S VERY CLEAR WHAT
THE PRESIDENT IS DOING HERE, HE
IS SAYING WHITE PEOPLE ARE UNDER
ATTACK, MY PEOPLE ARE UNDER
ATTACK, YOU SHOULD RALLY BEHIND
BRETT KAVANAUGH WHO, AFTER ALL,
IS AN ELITE REPUBLICAN OPERATIVE
FROM YALE LAW SCHOOL.
>> GIRLS HAVE IT EASY THESE
DAYS.
DAYS. >> WHEN I WAS LISTENING TO THE
PRESIDENT TALKING ABOUT MOM,
SOMEONE ACCUSED ME OF DOING
SOMETHING HORRIBLE, THE CRIME I
DIDN’T COMMIT, THE PEOPLE I
THOUGHT OF ARE THE CENTRAL PARK
FIVE, THE BOYS INNOCENT AND
SPENT YEARS IN JAIL FOR A CRIME
THEY DIDN’T COMMIT.
IN A SENSE THE PRESIDENT IS
RIGHT.
RIGHT. WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT IS
ENTIRELY BASED, NECESSARILY
BASED ON A PRESUMPTION OF
INNOCENCE.
INNOCENCE. THE PROBLEM HERE IS THAT YOU
HAVE A MESSENGER FOR, YOU KNOW,
AT THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT, FOR
THAT MESSAGE WHO COULD NOT BE A
WORSE MESSENGER.
WORSE MESSENGER. IF, ACTUALLY, IF DONALD TRUMP
WANTS TO HELP BRETT KAVANAUGH,
THE BEST THING THAT HE COULD DO
IS SHUT UP.
>> THEN WHAT DOES THAT DO TO
YOU?
YOU? YOU ARE SOMEONE WHO JUST A FEW
DAYS AGO WROTE AN ARTICLE SAYING
IF WE ARE GOING TO CONVICT
SOMEONE BASED ON ASSUMPTIONS, WE
ALL BETTER WORRY ABOUT WHAT IS
IN OUR FUTURE?
AND WHILE I HAVE NO ANGEL WINGS
BEING ON FAST ORDER FOR MY
FUTURE, YOU MAKE A STATEMENT
LIKE THAT.
LIKE THAT. AND THEN THE PRESIDENT DOES
THAT?
THAT? DOESN’T THAT PUT YOU IN A TOUGH
SPOT?
SPOT? >> NO, NOT AT ALL.
LOOK, WHAT I’M TRYING TO DO IS
BE CONSISTENT.
BE CONSISTENT. WHICH IS THAT WE HAVE A WHOLE
SYSTEM, NOT JUST LEGAL AND
INSTITUTIONAL, BUT ALSO MORAL
AND CULTURAL, WHICH SAYS THAT WE
OWE PEOPLE PRESUMPTIONS OF
INNOCENCE.
INNOCENCE. AND BY THE WAY, WE OWE THAT TO
BRETT KAVANAUGH.
BRETT KAVANAUGH. WE OWE THAT TO BRETT KAVANAUGH
AS WELL.
AS WELL. WE SHOULD NOT BE JUDGING THIS
CASE ON A BELIEVABILITY
STANDARD.
STANDARD. IT’S WHY I’VE CONSISTENTLY
CALLED FOR A THOROUGH FBI
INVESTIGATION TO DO THE BEST WE
CAN TO GET AT THE HEART OF THIS
ALLEGATION FROM DR. FORD.
>> TO THAT POINT, THEN, BARBARA,
WHAT IS YOUR TAKE THAT THEY HAD
A -- THE FBI HAS A FULL WEEK TO
DO THIS INVESTIGATION, AND NOW
WE’RE HEARING REPORTS IT MAY BE
WRAPPED UP AS SOON AS TODAY.
AND NBC IS REPORTING THERE COULD
BE 40 PEOPLE WITH RELEVANT
INFORMATION WHO HAVEN’T BEEN
CONTACTED AND THE FBI DOESN’T
PLAN TO SPEAK TO DR. FORD.
>> YEAH, YOU KNOW, THE FBI
BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS ARE
VERY DIFFERENT FROM CRIMINAL
INVESTIGATIONS.
INVESTIGATIONS. AND THE WHITE HOUSE ACTUALLY
DOES GET TO CONTROL THE
PARAMETERS OF THAT.
AND SO IF THEY LIMIT THE FBI TO
WHO THEY CAN TALK TO OR THE
NUMBER OF PEOPLE THEY CAN TALK
TO, AND WE KNOW THEY’VE LIMITED
THE TIME FRAME, THEN THEY CAN
REALLY IN SOME WAYS EVEN CONTROL
THE OUTCOME.
THE OUTCOME. SO MY CONCERN IS THAT IF IN
INTERVIEWING THE SMALL SUBSET OF
PEOPLE THEY DON’T FIND ANYTHING
ADDITIONAL THAT IS SIGNIFICANT,
THEY’LL REACH THEIR CONCLUSION
AND THEY WILL HIDE BEHIND THE
FIG LEAF OF AN FBI
INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. ORDINARILY THE FBI IS TASKED
WITH INVESTIGATING A TOPIC, AND
NOT TALKING TO SPECIFIC PEOPLE.
IF THE TERMS OF WHO THEY CAN
TALK TO IS ARTIFICIALLY LIMITED
IN THAT WAY, THEN I DON’T KNOW
THAT WE CAN REALLY TRUST THE
INTEGRITY OF THE OUTCOME OF IT.
WHAT WORRIES ME THE MOST IS, IF
THERE IS A VOTE, AND HE IS
CONFIRMED, BRETT KAVANAUGH AND
THE SUPREME COURT WILL FOREVER
HAVE AN ASTERISK NEXT TO THEIR
NAME IF WE HAVEN’T SATISFIED THE
INVESTIGATION WAS COMPLETE.
YOU CAN BET IN THE COMING WEEKS
AND MONTHS ALL OF THOSE 20
PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT CONTACTED BY
THE FBI WILL BE GIVING MEDIA
INTERVIEWS.
INTERVIEWS. THE PUBLIC WILL HEAR THE
STORIES.
STORIES. >> LET’S BE HONEST.
LET’S SAY HE GETS CONFIRMED AND
HAS AN ASTERISK NEXT TO HIS
NAME.
NAME. CLARENCE THOMAS HAS AN ASTERISK
NEXT TO HIS NAME, AND HE STILL
SEEMS TO KEEP ON TRUCKING.
>> WELL, I THINK THAT THERE’S A
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SEXUAL
HARASSMENT AND SEXUAL ASSAULT,
AND I THINK THERE WILL BE
BELIEVABILITY QUESTIONS THAT
WILL, I THINK, TEND TO ERODE THE
LEGITIMACY OF THE COURT.
IN RECENT YEARS WE’VE SEEN THAT.
FROM CLARENCE THOMAS TO BUSH V.
GORE, AND IF THE PUBLIC IS
SATISFIED THERE WAS A FULL
INVESTIGATION AND HIS NAME IS
TRULY CLEARED, THERE WILL BE
THIS TAINT.
THIS TAINT. WHEN THE COURT IS NOT
LEGITIMATE, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO
PEOPLE’S RESPECT FOR THE LAW?
THAT WILL CONTINUE TO ERODE AS
WE SEE THIS ASSAULT ON OUR
INSTITUTIONS.
INSTITUTIONS. >> OKAY, BUT MARK, DO YOU THINK
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL EVER BE
SATISFIED?
SATISFIED? BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MUCH
POLITICS MIRED IN THIS.
YOU TALK ABOUT THIS, YOU TALK
ABOUT SEXUAL ASSAULT.
AND THEN WITHIN THE SAME
CONVERSATION PEOPLE BRING UP
MERRITT GARLAND.
MERRITT GARLAND. AND WHILE HE WAS TREATED
UNFAIRLY, TIEING MERRITT GARLAND
TO SEXUAL ASSAULT SORT OF MAKES
ME THINK PEOPLE ARE NEVER GOING
TO ACCEPT BRETT KAVANAUGH.
IRRELEVANT OF WHAT THE FBI COMES
UP WITH.
UP WITH. >> WELL, I THINK PEOPLE,
RELATIVELY SPEAKING, ACCEPTED
NEIL GORSUCH.
NEIL GORSUCH. WE WOULDN’T BE HAVING THIS
CONVERSATION IF THERE WEREN’T
THESE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST BRETT
KAVANAUGH.
KAVANAUGH. PEOPLE WEREN’T EXACTLY ELATED
ABOUT NEIL GORSUCH.
MERRITT GARLAND WAS IMMEDIATELY
RELEVANT TO THAT BECAUSE THEY
GOT SOMEONE IN AND BLOCKED
PRESIDENT OBAMA’S NOMINEE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK, TOO,
2018 IS ALSO VERY DIFFERENT FROM
1991.
1991. PEOPLE ARE MORE AWARE OF WHAT
THESE TYPES OF ALLEGATIONS MEAN.
PEOPLE ARE MORE AWARE, MORE
KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT HARASSMENT
CULTURE AND RAPE CULTURE.
I THINK, AND I AGREE WITH WHAT
ERIN SAID ABOUT WHAT TRUMP IS
TRYING TO DO IN TERMS OF
RALLYING THE BASE, HE HAS
NOTHING ELSE TO LOSE, EVEN IF HE
LOSES A CONFIRMATION, THEY WILL
TRY TO KEEP THAT BASE RILED UP
AROUND THAT ISSUE GOING INTO
NOVEMBER BECAUSE HE KNOWS HE’S
IN SERIOUS POLITICAL JEOPARDY IN
THE MIDTERMS.
THE MIDTERMS. BUT I NEVER PUT A LOT OF FAITH
MYSELF IN THE FBI INVESTIGATION.
I JUST DIDN’T.
I WAS ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT
THAT.
THAT. AND NOW THAT CONCERN IS
VALIDATED THAT WE’RE HEARING
THAT THE INVESTIGATION MAY BE
OVER TODAY, AND THAT THEY DID
NOT INTERVIEW AS MANY WITNESSES
AS THEY SHOULD HAVE.
I DON’T SEE HOW UNDER THOSE
CIRCUMSTANCES THERE’S WAY THAT
THE GROUP FORD IS HOLDING OUT,
JEFF FLAKE, MURKOWSKI, COLLINS
AND MANCHIN CAN GO FORWARD WITH
THIS BECAUSE THERE’S STILL TOO
MUCH STUFF OUT THERE.
>> THERE’S STILL TOO MUCH STUFF
OUT THERE AND THERE’S ALSO
POLITICAL POLLS THAT THEY’RE
LOOKING AT EVERY DAY.
IF YOU’RE FOCUSED ON POLITICAL
POLLS AND HOW THE COUNTRY FEELS
ABOUT BRETT KAVANAUGH, THEN
THEY’RE REALLY NOT INTERESTED IN
GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF THESE
SEXUAL ASSAULT CLAIMS.
I WANT TO SHARE WHAT THE
PRESIDENT SAID EARLIER ON
YESTERDAY.
YESTERDAY. >> I SAY THAT IT’S A VERY SCARY
TIME FOR YOUNG MEN IN AMERICA
WHEN YOU CAN BE GUILTY OF
SOMETHING THAT YOU MAY NOT BE
GUILTY OF.
GUILTY OF. DOESN’T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE A
WOMAN, AS EVERYBODY IS SAYING,
BUT SOMEBODY COULD ACCUSE YOU OF
SOMETHING AND YOU’RE
AUTOMATICALLY GUILTY.
AUTOMATICALLY GUILTY. >> DO YOU THINK THERE’S A LOT OF
MEN WHO FEEL THAT WAY RIGHT NOW?
>> LOOK, I THINK IT’S REALLY
IMPORTANT THAT THERE BE NEUTRAL
PROCESSES IN WHICH WE COULD
EVALUATE, NOT JUST BASED ON WHO
TESTIFIES BETTER, NOT JUST BASED
ON BELIEVABILITY.
ON BELIEVABILITY. BUT NO, I DO NOT THINK THAT
THERE -- THE MEN THAT TRUMP IS
THINKING ABOUT ARE NOT THE ONES
WHO ARE GOING TO BE FALSELY
ACCUSED NECESSARILY, PEOPLE LIKE
THE CENTRAL PARK FIVE, THE
IMMIGRANTS THAT HE DEFAMED WITH
A SWEEP OF HIS ARM WHEN HE
ANNOUNCED HIS CANDIDACY.
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
GOING TO GET THE
DISPROPORTIONATE BRUNT OF THE
POLITICAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.
LOOK AT WHAT THE SENATE
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE DID IN THE
LAST 24 HOURS.
THEY HAVE DECLINED TO INTERVIEW
DR. CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD AT THE
SAME -- THE FBI HAS DECLINED AT
THE SAME TIME THEY ARE RELEASING
UNVERIFIED LETTERS ACCUSING HER
OF LYING.
OF LYING. IF THEY’RE ACTUALLY INTERESTED
IN GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF IT
AS OPPOSED TO JUST PUTTING THE
VICTIM ON TRIAL, WHY DON’T THEY
GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE CLAIMS
OF THESE LETTERS?
WHY ARE THEY JUST RELEASING THEM
TO THE PRESS?
WE ARE STILL MIRED IN THE
SITUATION WE WERE IN WITH ANITA
HILL, WHICH IS TO SAY VICTIMS,
PEOPLE WHO COME FORWARD WITH
STORIES, ARE MORE LIKELY TO SEE
THEIR CREDIBILITY PUT ON TRIAL.
>> PEOPLE ARE SAYING TO ME EVERY
DAY WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR
SONS?
SONS? HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF IT WERE
THEM?
THEM? AND THAT QUESTION WEIGHS ON ME.
>> I THINK THERE’S SOME VALIDITY
TO IT.
TO IT. PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE
WITH DONALD TRUMP, AND I THINK
WITH EVERY DEMAGOGUE IS THAT
DEMAGOGUES DON’T TRAFFIC IN
OUTRIGHT LIES.
OUTRIGHT LIES. THEY TRAFFIC IN HALF TRUTHS.
THERE IS AN ASPECT OF TRUTH TO
WHAT HE’S SAYING, THAT THERE IS
SUDDENLY THIS VIEW, I KEEP
HEARING THE WORD, YOU KNOW,
WHITE MALE BEING USED
CONSTANTLY, AS A -- THERE HAVE
BEEN MANY CASES OF YOUNG MEN
BEING TAKEN BUT KANGAROO COURTS
ON CAMPUSES AND BEING CHARGED
WITH --
WITH -- >> THERE’S PLENTY -- WE KEEP
HEARING ABOUT WHITE MEN FALSELY
ACCUSED, AND THERE’S QUITE A FEW
BLACK MEN WHO HAVE BEEN FALSELY
ACCUSED.
ACCUSED. >> AND EMILY YAFFEY COVERS THAT
BRILLIANTLY IN THE ATLANTIC.
THAT HAS TO BE -- THAT ASPECT
HAS TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.
IT’S REALLY INCUMBENT,
ESPECIALLY NOW, I SAY THIS
ESPECIALLY AMONG JOURNALISTS TO
TRY TO BE AS FAIR AND THOUGHTFUL
AND JUDICIOUS AS WE CAN.
WE’VE SEEN A LOT OF JOURNALISM
RIGHT NOW BEING COMMITTED IN THE
KAVANAUGH CASE THAT SHOULDN’T
REACH PRINT, ALLEGATIONS THAT
ARE COMING OUT OF -- THAT ARE
THINLY SOURCED AND ARE SUDDENLY
FRONT PAGE NEWS.
THAT ACTUALLY HURTS OUR
CREDIBILITY IN THE LONG TERM.
>> THE --
>> THE -- >> JULIA IAFFEY IF YOU WANT TO
READ HER PIECE.
>> I DON’T BUY INTO THAT WHITE
MALE VICTIMIZATION THAT HE’S
TALKING ABOUT.
TALKING ABOUT. IF HE WERE TALKING ABOUT --
SANDRA -- THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE.
>> THERE ARE WHITE MEN WHO HAVE
BEEN FALSELY ACCUSED.
>> PUT IN CONTEXT, FALSELY
ACCUSED BY WHOM.
>> THE LACROSSE PLAYERS BEING
ACCUSED OF RAPE.
>> THAT WAS --
>> BUT EVEN --
>> THEY’RE NOT EQUAL.
>> THEY’RE NOT EQUAL.
AND NOT THAT YOU’RE DOING THIS,
BUT THERE WAS A WHOLE INDUSTRY
THAT BLEW UP, EVEN ON FORCHAN,
BEHIND THAT CASE, THAT WAS THEN
USED TO BRING SOME LEVEL OF
FALSE EQUIVALENCY OF WHITE MALE
VICTIMIZATION.
VICTIMIZATION. WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON IS THAT
WHITE MEN WHO ARE CLAIMING
VICTIMIZATION ARE FACED WITH THE
COME UPPANCE OF WOMEN FINALLY
HAVE THE KUNCH TOCOURAGE TO SPEA
EVERY MAN WHO SAYS HE’S
VICTIMIZED BY A CASE OF SEXUAL
HARASSMENT OR SEXUAL ASSAULT,
WHAT HE’S REALLY SAYING IS HE’S
OPPOSED TO WOMEN FINALLY
SPEAKING WITH THEIR OWN VOICES
AND CHARGING THEM WITH WHAT
WOMEN, FOR THE PAST CENTURY, NOT
THE PAST CENTURY, BUT FROM 1865
TO 1965 WERE MANIPULATED INTO
CHARGING BLACK MEN WITH SO THEY
COULD BE SMARLY LYNCHED AND
EXECUTED THE WAY DONALD TRUMP
WANTED THE CENTRAL PARK SMARLY
LYNCHED AND EXECUTED.
THIS IS A WAR ON THE PART OF THE
KAVANAUGHS AND THE TRUMPS OF THE
WORLD AND THEIR SUPPORT, IS THIS
IS A WAR AGAINST WOMEN SPEAKING
UP AND TELLING THE TRUTH.
>> I WANT TO ASK YOU QUICKLY
BEFORE WE GO, BARBARA, I WANT TO
GET TO THE FACTS COMING OUT
ABOUT KAVANAUGH.
ABOUT KAVANAUGH. "NEW YORK TIMES" PUBLISHED A
1983 LETTER IN WHICH KAVANAUGH
TELLS HIS FENDS ABOUT BEACH
WEEK, WHEN HE SAID IT WAS
ABOUT -- HE GOT SICK FROM SPICY
FOODS, WHERE HE SAYS THEY SHOULD
WARN THE NEIGHBORS THAT THESE
GUYS ARE "OBNOXIOUS DRUNKS AND
PROLIFIC PUKERS."
PROLIFIC PUKERS." THAT MIGHT SEEM LIKE NOTHING.
DIDN’T LOTS OF PEOPLE PARTY IN
HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE?
HOW BIG OF A DEAL IS IT THAT
BRETT KAVANAUGH DID MISREPRESENT
WHO HE WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL IN
COLLEGE?
COLLEGE? THAT’S WHY WE’RE GETTING IN
ONSLAUGHT OF INFORMATION,
WHETHER IT’S LETTERS LIKE THIS,
OR STUDENTS.
OR STUDENTS. YOU HAD STUDENTS FROM GEORGETOWN
PREP IN THE LAST WEEK COME OUT
AND SAY WHO HE REPRESENTED
HIMSELF AS IN THAT TESTIMONY
ISN’T THE GUY I KNOW.
>> YEAH, I THINK THE BIG
DISCONNECT THAT WE HAVE BETWEEN
PEOPLE IN THE DEBATE IS, LET’S
REMEMBER, THIS IS NOT A CRIMINAL
TRIAL.
TRIAL. I THINK PEOPLE ARE THINKING
THAT, YOU KNOW, WE’RE PRESUMED
INNOCENT AND GUILT BEYOND A
REASONABLE DOUBT.
REASONABLE DOUBT. NO.
NO. THIS IS A JOB INTERVIEW.
FOR SOMEONE TO LIE, ESPECIALLY
SOMEONE WHO’S GOING TO BE AN
OFFICER OF THE COURT, THOSE LIES
MATTER.
MATTER. DID HE LIE OR NOT IS A MATTER OF
THE FACT AND NEEDS TO BE
LEARNED.
LEARNED. BUT IF HE DID LIE, THAT’S A VERY
BIG DEAL IN THE COURTROOM.
WE CHARGE PEOPLE WITH CRIMES FOR
THAT, FOR PERJURY AND FOR FALSE
STATEMENTS.
STATEMENTS. TO BE THE PERSON WHO IS ABOVE
ALL OF THE COURTS IN THE LAND,
IT’S VERY IMPORTANT.
AND SO I DO THINK IT’S
SIGNIFICANT AND WORTHY OF
INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. >> THAT LETTER’S PROOF OF
PERJURY, DISQUALIFIES HIM FROM
THE COURT.
THE COURT. IT IS PROOF.
HE SIGNED IT BART.
WHEN HE WAS ASKED, WHO IS BART,
HE SAID YOU’LL HAVE TO ASK MARK
JUDGE.
JUDGE. THAT’S A FACT.
HE WAS ASKED ARE YOU BART AND HE
WOULDN’T ACKNOWLEDGE HE WAS
BART.
BART. IT’S SIGNED BART.
THAT’S PERJURY.
THAT’S PERJURY. HOW IS THAT NOT PERJURY?
>> I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A
TEENAGER, AND I REMEMBER
BOASTING ABOUT DRINKING MUCH
MORE THAN I ACTUALLY DID.
>> HOW DID YOU SIGN YOUR NAME?
>> THAT’S NOT WHAT MARK IS
SAYING.
SAYING. LISTEN, HOLD ON --
>> JUST A SECOND, THESE LETTERS
ARE NOT DISPOSITIVE.
I WAS SO DRUNK, I WAS SO WASTED,
I WASN’T.
I WASN’T. AND SO WE SHOULD TAKE THESE
LETTERS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.
THIS IS WHY THIS --
>> WE HAVE OTHER EXAMPLES OF
PERJURY.
PERJURY. >> ADOLESCENT STATE OF MIND.
>> STOLEN E-MAILS, LIED ABOUT
THAT.
THAT. >> TAKE THE LETTERS WITH A GRAIN
OF SALT.
OF SALT. THEN WHEN BRETT KAVANAUGH GETS
UP AND TESTIFIES, YOU KNOW WHAT
HE COULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT,
LIKE EVERY OTHER DUDE IN HIGH
SCHOOL I WAS FULL OF IT, I