.
. >>> IT’S TIME NOW TO FALL BACK.
I AM JOINED TONIGHT BY HARLEM
RAPPER DAVIES.
RAPPER DAVIES. HIS NEW ALBUM SURVIVAL IS
DROPPING TODAY.
DROPPING TODAY. A SPECIAL COLLABORATION WITH HIS
DAUGHTER KYRIEE WHO HE HAS
SOMETIMES OUT ON TOUR WITH HIM.
HE PLAYS METHOD MAN IN WOOTANG,
AN AMERICAN SAGA.
WHILE DAVE REPRESENTS HARLEM,
HE’S JOINED BY TONY SCHWARZ
REPRESENTING MANHATTAN AND THE
BRONX.
BRONX. BUSINESSMAN, FORMER "NEW YORK
TIMES" JOURNALIST AND THE AUTHOR
OF FIVE BOOKS, DONALD TRUMP’S
"THE ART OF THE DEAL."
>> I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE FOR
WRITING THAT BOOK.
>> WE’LL GET INTO THAT.
TONY --
TONY -- >> ALL GOOD.
>> WHAT’S ON YOUR FALL BACK
LIST?
LIST? >> I WANT TO FALL BACK ON
CERTAINTY.
CERTAINTY. WHENEVER YOU’RE FEELING ANXIOUS
YOU MOVE TO CERTAINTY AND IT’S A
BINARY WAY OF THINKING.
IT’S GOOD OR BAD, RIGHT OR
WRONG.
WRONG. IT RARELY, RARELY IS.
INCREDIBLY COMPLEX WORLD.
I WATCH IT IN SILICON VALLEY.
IF YOU THINK BACK NOT VERY LONG
AGO, THE TECH COMPANIES WERE
GOING TO BE OUR SAVIOR.
THE HERE WOES WERE THOSE WHO RAN
THOSE COMPANIES.
THOSE COMPANIES. SUDDENLY THEY ARE THE DEVIL.
THEY’RE THE OPPOSITE.
THEY’RE GOING TO BRING DOWN
CIVIL DAYS AND IT’S ABOUT
NUANCE, SUBTLETY, FINDING A
PLACE THAT CAN HOLD OPPOSITES,
THAT CAN TOLERATE THE IDEA OF
THAT EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY
CONFLICT WITH EACH OTHER.
>> DAVE, SOMETIMES PEOPLE ACT
MORE CERTAIN THAN THEY ARE TO
APPEAR STRONG.
APPEAR STRONG. DO YOU EVER SEE THAT?
>> I FEEL THAT.
>> LIKE SOMEONE WILL CARRY
THEMSELVES A CERTAIN WAY AND ACT
MORE CERTAIN, MORE SUCCESSFUL,
MORE TOUGH THAN THEY ARE AND YOU
FIND OUT THERE’S MORE TO THE
STORY.
STORY. >> A LOT OF PRIDE INVOLVED WITH
THAT AND TRYING TO OVER EXPERT
THE CONFIDENCE THAT MIGHT NOT BE
THERE.
THERE. YOU MAY DO THAT TO SEEM MORE
CERTAIN.
CERTAIN. >> YES, I AGREE WITH THAT.
ANY STRENGTH OVER USED BECOMES A
PROBLEM.
PROBLEM. IT BECOMES ARROGANCE.
>> WHAT ELSE IS ON YOUR FALL
BACK LIST, DAVE?
>> HONESTLY, I FEEL LIKE THE
ENTIRE U.S. GOVERNMENT.
I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE’S NEVER
BEEN SO MUCH DIVISION IN THE
COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. SO MUCH UNCERTAINTY, YOU KNOW,
IN WHAT’S GOING ON AND I THINK
IT’S STARTING AT THE TOP, THE
HEAD.
HEAD. I FEEL LIKE THAT NEEDS TO BECOME
FIGURED OUT.
FIGURED OUT. I DON’T KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO DO
IT.
IT. I THINK IF THAT IS FIGURED OUT
AND THE VISION BETWEEN THE
REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS, IF
THAT CAN COME TO SOME TYPE OF
BALANCE, MOVE SOME TYPE OF
BALANCE IT WILL BE A MUCH BETTER
COUNTRY TO LIVE IN.
>> NO, IT’S -- THIS IS EXACTLY
THE POINT.
THE POINT. WE ARE DIVIDED BETWEEN PEOPLE
THAT ARE CERTAIN THEY ARE RIGHT
EVEN THOUGH ONLY IF ONE OF THEM
HAS TO BE RIGHT, ONE HAS TO BE
WRONG AND THAT’S WHERE YOU GET
ALL OF THIS DIVISION.
I WAS JUST -- JUST THINKING
ABOUT A STUDY THAT WAS DONE BY A
GUY NAMED GEORGE VALIAN AT
HARVARD.
HARVARD. BEN BRADLEE WAS IN THE STUDY,
JFK WAS IN THE STUDY.
>> JUST TO CUT IN, TONY’S THE
KIND OF GUY HE’LL BRING HOMEWORK
TO A DINNER PARTY.
YOU’LL BE TALKING ABOUT ANY
NORMAL THING.
NORMAL THING. THERE’S THREE STUDIES.
>> KEEP TALKING.
>> ANYWAY, THIS IS SO SIMPLE.
OUT OF THESE 300 PEOPLE IN THE
STUDY FOLLOWED FOR 50 YEARS, THE
THING THAT DETERMINED MOST
WHETHER THEY HAD SUCCESS IN
LIFE, THEIR MARRIAGES, THEIR
CAREERS WAS WHAT WAS THE QUALITY
OF LOVE IN THEIR CHILDHOOD?
HOW MUCH GOOD LOVING DID THEY
GET?
GET? HE’S DEVOTED TO HIS DAUGHTER.
>> THAT’S TRUE.
>> THAT’S WHERE IT STARTS.
ACTUALLY, WE’RE IN A MOMENT
OF -- WE’RE IN A TIME OF
INCREDIBLE HATRED AND A TIME
WHEN THE DIFFUSER WOULD BE THE
CAPACITY TO TAP INTO YOUR HEART.
>> I LOVE YOU SAYING THAT
BECAUSE SHOUT OUT TO DAVE SR.
YOU BROUGHT YOUR PARENTS HERE
TODAY.
TODAY. >> YES.
>> YES. >> THAT’S A BIG PART OF YOUR
LIFE.
LIFE. >> THEY RIDE AROUND WITH ME.
MY TWO GOOD LUCK CHARM, YOU
KNOW?
KNOW? >> THAT IS -- YOU CAN’T IMAGINE
WHAT A -- YOU CAN, BUT WHAT
INCREDIBLE GOOD FORTUNE IT IS TO
FEEL THAT WAY.
>> BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK IS
THE PROBLEM WITH THAT, I FEEL
LIKE PEOPLE ARE MORE INTO POWER
THAN LOVE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
I FEEL LIKE LOVE IS LIKE -- EH,
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
BUT HAVING POWER OR CONTROL OF
THAT, PEOPLE LEAN TO THAT MORE.
I FEEL LIKE THAT’S WHAT’S REALLY
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH
EVERYTHING.
EVERYTHING. >> LET’S GET INTO THAT BECAUSE I
WAS LISTENING TO THE NEW ALBUM
DROPPED TODAY.
DROPPED TODAY. >> LISTENING?
>> LISTENING? >> I LISTEN.
>> YOU HAVE A LINE ON THERE
WHERE YOU SAY BASICALLY YOU FELT
OR SOMETIMES -- THE LINE IS YOU
NEEDED TO GET POWER TO MAKE SURE
YOU DIDN’T GET HURT GROWING UP.
>> YES.
>> YES. >> I BUY THAT.
>> THAT’S REAL.
AND THAT COMES FROM SEEING WHO
GOT POWER, WHETHER IT’S THE
STRONGER DUDE OR WHETHER IT’S
SOMEONE WITH A WEAPON.
LIKE POWER COMES IN MANY WAYS
AND I LEARNED THAT EARLY, YOU
KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
SO THAT I MOVED THROUGH LIFE
LIKE THAT KNOWING THAT MOST
POWER THAT PEOPLE HAVE, THEY
ABUSE IT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
MOST PEOPLE WHEN THEY GET POWER,
THEY ABUSE IT.
SO I TRY NOT TO ABUSE WHATEVER
POWER, WHATEVER INFLUENCE I HAVE
ON WHOEVER, YOU KNOW?
>> I’VE NEVER FELT MORE THAN I
DO NOW.
DO NOW. I COULDN’T AGREE WITH YOU MORE.
I NEVER FELT MORE THAN I DO NOW
THE TRUTH THAT POWER CORRUPTS
AND POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY.
WHETHER YOU LOOK AT IT IN ME TOO
AND ALL OF THOSE MEN WHO HAVE
HAD POWER AND USE IT TO ABUSE
WOMEN OR THE WAY TRUMP USES
POWER AS PRESIDENT.
THE HUMAN IMPULSE IS A SURVIVAL
IMPULSE.
IMPULSE. THE INSTINCT IS TO EXERCISE
POWER MOSTLY BECAUSE YOU FEEL
WEAK.
WEAK. THE MOST INSECURE PERSON BECOMES
THE MOST GRANDIOSE PERSON.
>> LET’S GET INTO THE ALBUM
BEFORE I LOSE YOU.
PEOPLE WHO ARE SLEEPING ON
SURVIVAL NEED TO FALL BACK.
>> FALL ALL THE WAY BACK.
HE SAID IT.
IT’S BASED ON SURVIVAL
INSTINCTS.
INSTINCTS. >> SURVIVAL IS THE ALBUM.
>> HOW ABOUT THAT?
MAYBE THAT’S WHY I’M HERE WITH
YOU.
YOU. >> I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN’T
MENTION.
MENTION. I THINK SURVIVAL MIGHT FARE
BETTER THAN SOME OF TONY’S WORK.
HERE’S "ART OF THE DEAL."
>> WE’RE GOING TO PUMP THIS
SUCKER.
SUCKER. >> WHAT DO PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW
ABOUT THE ALBUM?
>> IT’S MY LIFE.
I FEEL LIKE IT’S THE INSPIRATION
AND THE MOTIVATION FOR
GENERATIONS TO COME.
I WANTED TO RECORD AND CREATE
SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE TIMELESS
AND NOT JUST LIVE FOR THE
MOMENT.
MOMENT. >> WHY WAS IT IMPORTANT TO PUT
YOUR DAUGHTER ON IT?
SHE WAS ON THE COVER OF ONE OF
THEM --
THEM -- >> SHE TALKING.
I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, COME
BE ON.