COUNTRY.
NO U.S. OPEN.
TENNESSEE SENATOR MARSHA
BLACKBURN MEAN WHILE LANDED IN
TAIWAN THIS WEEK MEETING WITH
TAIWANESE PRESIDENT IN TAIPEI
CALLING TAIWAN A COUNTRY AND
IMPORTANT TO SUPPORT IT IN
PRESERVING OF ITS FREEDOM.
SHE LANDED IN TAIWAN FOR
SURPRISE VISIT LAST NIGHT.
JOINING ME RIGHT NOW ATLAS
ORGANIZATION FOUNDER AND THE
AUTHOR OF CHINA’S VISION OF
VICTORY, JONATHAN DT WARD IS
HERE.
JONATHAN, GOOD TO SEE YOU,
THANKS VERY MUCH, YOUR REACTION
TO SENATOR BLACKBURN MAKING HER
WAY ALL THE WAY OVER THE TAIWAN
IN THIS SURPRISE VISIT, WAS THIS
AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE?
JONATHAN: HI, MARIA, WELL, I
THINK IT’S IMPORTANT TO SHOW
SOLIDARITY WITH TAIWAN AT THIS
POINT.
THE CHINESE PROVOCATIONS HAVE
BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE A LONG
TIME AND THEY ARE UNDERMINING
THE SORT OF PEACE IN ASIA TO
MAKING SURE THAT AMERICA IS
FOCUSED ON THIS ISLAND THAT WE
UNDERSTAND IT FROM A BIPARTISAN
POINT OF VIEW PARTICULARLY AFTER
NANCY PELOSI’S VISIT WHICH
CERTAINLY RAISED, I THINK, THE
PROFILE IN THE STATURE OF TAIWAN
FOR MANY WHO WERE NOT FOLLOWING
THE ISSUE.
NOW IT’S TOP OF MIND AND IT’S
IMPORTANT TO KEEP IT IN THE
PUBLIC IMAGINATION THAT THIS IS
REALLY THE -- THE SORT OF THE
RAMPARTS OF DEMOCRACY AND
FREEDOM.
THIS ISLAND IS AS IMPORTANT AS
ANY PLACE ON EARTH SO SHOWING
THAT SOLIDARITY AND SUPPORT I
THINK MATTERS A GREAT DEAL.
MARIA: WELL, DO YOU THINK WE ARE
GOING TO SEE SOME RETALIATION.
WE NOW HOW UPSET THE CCP GOT
WHEN NANCY PELOSI WENT TO TAIWAN
THREATENING THAT THEY WOULD TAKE
DOWN HER PLANE, WHAT KIND OF
PUSHBACK ARE WE EXPECTING FROM
THE CCP OVER THIS TRIP?
JONATHAN: WELL W I THINK THEY’LL
CONTINUE TO NORMALIZE BROADER
MILITARY EXERCISES.
WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT THEY DID
EARLIER THIS MONTH AS
RETALIATION I THINK IT SORT OF
MISREADS THE FACT THAT EXERCISES
OF THAT FACT DO NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.
THAT WAS CAREFULLY AND MA TICK
METICULOUSLY AND AN
AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNMENT THAT’S
WORKING TOWARDS THE ABILITY TO
EITHER BLOCKADE OR EVEN INVADE
THIS ISLAND.
SO THESE PLANS AND ACTIVITIES
ARE VERY LONG IN THE MAKING AND
I DON’T THINK WE SHOULD FAULT
OURSELVES FOR PAYING GREATER
ATTENTION TO THIS ISLAND.
IT’S REALLY THE PARTY THAT HAS
THESE LONG-TERM AMBITIONS AND
PUTTING LOGISTIC SUPPORT AND
MILITARY PLANNING BEHIND IT.
MARIA: IN FACT, BEIJING IS
PREPARING TO CONDUCT MILITARY
EXERCISES WITH WITH MOSCOW IN RU
NEXT TUESDAY AS NEW EVIDENCE
REVEALS THAT CHINA IS BUILDING
UP ITS NAVY ONCE AGAIN TO RIVAL
THE UNITED STATES, BUILDING AT
LEAST SIX MORE GUIDED MISSILE
DESTROYERS, JONATHAN, WE’VE
TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG
TIME THAT RIGHT NOW THE CHINA
NAVY PERHAPS IS LARGER THAN THE
U.S. NAVY.
WE HAVEN’T BEEN INVESTING THE
WAY THE CCP HAS BEEN.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE MILITARY
EXERCISES WITH NOS COW CLEARLY
THE CCP HAS PARTNERED WITH
RUSSIA AND -- AND RUSSIA
CONTINUES TO CREATE DEATH AND
DESTRUCTION IN UKRAINE?
JONATHAN: THAT’S RIGHT.
IT’S A MILITARY PARTNERSHIP AND
ESTABLISH THE SHANGHAI
CORPORATION AND 20 YEARS WORTH
OF RUSSIA-CHINA DEEPENING OF
STRATEGIC RELATIONS.
THE CHINESE DEFENSE MINISTRY
CALLED THE EXERCISES AN
OPPORTUNITY TO ENHANCE STRATEGIC
COORDINATIONS.
SO THIS IS IN THE MIDDLE OF
MOSCOW’S ATROCITIES IN UKRAINE
AND YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT
THESE TWO ARE WORKING TOGETHER.
THIS IS A GENE WINE BONAFIDE
PARTNERSHIP WITH IDEOLOGICAL
DEPTH AND REGULAR MILITARY
EXERCISE AND AT THE SAME TIME
THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT
YOU WOULD CANCEL IF YOU WERE
AGAINST PUTIN’S WAR IN UKRAINE.
LOOKING AT CHINA IN THE MAIN
SUPPORTER AND THE OTHER SIDE
THAT YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT
EXTENSIVELY IS GRAND STRATEGY.
THE COMPANIES ARE THE
FUNDAMENTAL STRATEGIES AND
REPORT BY YALE UNIVERSITY THAT’S
COVERED BETTER THAN ANYBODY
SHOWS THAT ALL THE MAJOR CHINESE
COMPANIES ARE STILL ACTIVE IN
RUSSIA.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE
HELPING PROP UP THE COMPANY,
ALIBABA, ANT FINANCIAL, MAJOR
CHINESE, DIDI, HAUWEI, THE WHOLE
LIST GOES ON, SO THIS
PARTNERSHIP IS VERY DEEP AND
IT’S TIME TO START STRIKING AT
IT IN MY OPINION.
I THINK YOU NEED REAL, YOU KNOW,
ECONOMIC TRYING PACKAGES ON
CHINESE COMPANIES THAT ARE, YOU
KNOW, PROPPING UP MOSCOW AND TO
SAY NOTHING OF THEIR ROLE IN THE
COMMUNIST PARTY EXPANSION AND
CORPORATION BUILT THE ISLANDS IN
THE SOUTH CHINA SEA IS ALSO AS
ONE MIGHT IMAGINE ACTIVE IN THE
RUSSIA MARKET AND NOT PULLING
BACK.
MARIA: WELL, I THINK THAT YOU
MAKE A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT ON
THE CORPORATE SECTOR HERE.
I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT
THE FOUNDER OF HAUWEI IS WARNING
OF A PAINFUL DECADE TO COME.
HE IS TALKING ABOUT GLOBAL
ECONOMIC DOWNTURN COMING UP IN A
LEAKED MEMO.
HE TOLD THE STAFF THE NEXT
DECADE WILL BE VERY PAINFUL
HISTORICAL PERIOD BUT I WANT TO
GO BACK TO WHAT WE ARE SEEING IN
TERMS OF THE U.S.’ IMPACT OF ALL
OF THIS BECAUSE THE U.S. AND
CHINA ARE REPORTEDLY NEARING AN
AGREEMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW
AMERICAN ACCOUNTING REGULATORS
TO TRAVEL TO HONG KONG TO
INSPECT THE AUDIT RECORDS OF
CHINESE COMPANIES LISTED ON U.S.
EXCHANGES.
IF A DEAL IS NOT REACHED 200
COMPANIES FACE POTENTIAL
DELISTING BEGINNING IN 2024,
JONATHAN.
THESE ARE THE VERY COMPANIES
THAT THE FEDERAL THRIFT FUND
THAT IS OPENED A WINDOW TO SO TH
GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES CAN BUY
STOCKS IN U.S. PLANS.
I’VE HAD A PROBLEM WITH THIS
SINCE THIS WAS ANNOUNCED.
WHY ARE WE HAVING GOVERNMENT
EMPLOYEES INVEST AND FUND THE
EXPANSION OF THE VERY COMPANIES
THAT MAY TURN AROUND AND GET
HOSTILE ON AMERICA SINCE THEY
WANT TO OVERTAKE THE UNITED
STATES AS THE NUMBER 1 SUPER
POWER, WHAT ABOUT THIS DEAL WITH
THESE POTENTIAL DELISTING AND
HOW DO YOU SEE THE CORPORATE END
OF THAT PLAYING OUT?
JONATHAN: WELL, IT DOESN’T MEAN
THE DEAL WILL GET DONE.
AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT’S THE
BACKWARDS ASPECT OF U.S.-CHINA
STRATEGY THAT WE ARE CONTINUING
TO POUR CAPITAL INTO OUR
ADVERSARY.
YOU CAN BUY, YOU KNOW, YES, THE
BIG PENSION FUNDS, PUBLIC FUNDS
ARE STILL INVESTING IN CHINESE
COMPANIES MAINLY THROUGH THE
INDEX FUNDS AS FAR AS I CAN TELL
AND INSTITUTIONAL INVESTMENTS
THAT ARE PROVIDING THAT SERVICE
TO AMERICAN PENSION HOLDERS AND
EVERYBODY ELSE.
WE SHOULDN’T BE DOING THAT.
IT’S ABSOLUTELY BACKWARDS TO BE
FUNDING THE REGIME AND MANY
NATIONAL SECURITY LEADERS HAVE
CALLED THAT OUT INCLUDING THE
WALL STREET JOURNAL.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE TO
UNDERSTAND THAT JUST AS
IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, THE LISTING
OF 200 CHINESE COMPANIES, MANY
WHICH ARE STATE-OWNED BY THE
WAY, WHICHEVER DIRECTION THAT
GOES, IT’S ALSO, YOU KNOW,
CHINA’S OWN INTERNAL CAPITAL
MARKET THAT IS WE HAVE TO BE
CAREFUL OF SO HAVING OWN
INVESTMENT BANKS IN CHINA
HELPING THEM INCREASE THE
SOPHISTICATION OF THEIR OWN
ABILITY TO CAPITALIZE
CORPORATIONS, THAT’S ALSO VERY
DANGERS.
WE HAVE TO STOP DOING THAT.
OUR BANKERS IN CHINA HELPING
THEM DEVELOP BETTER CAPITAL
MARKETS IS PROBABLY MORE
IMPORTANT THAN WHATEVER THEY CAN
DO ON OUR EXCHANGE BUT IN BOTH
CASES CUTTING OFF THE CAPITAL
FLOW TO PRIMARY ADVERSARY, I
THINK, IS ONE OF THE KEY PIECES
OF THIS AND THE OTHER SIDE IS
REALIZING THAT THE CORPORATE
SECTOR IS THE BATTLE SPACE ON
BOTH SIDES.
IT’S BOTH COMPANIES THAT ARE
GOING TO HAVE EXPAND IN GLOBAL
MARKETS TO TAKE OUT ENTITIES
LIKE HAUWEI.
WE MAY HAVE STOPPED HAUWEI IN
MANY DEVELOPED COUNTRIES BUT
THEY ARE STILL SUCCEEDING IN
BRAZIL AND INDONESIA AND ACROSS
AFRICA.
HAUWEI IS BUILDING THE EMERGENT
WORLD WHERE OUR COMPANIES ARE
NOT PROVIDING ALTERNATIVE AND WE
NEED TO BE IN THAT GAME OF
GLOBAL EXPANSION AND WE NEED TO
BE PUTTING LID ON GLOBAL
INVESTMENT IN CHINA AND THAT’S
THE JOB OF CONGRESS NOT JUST THE
ADMINISTRATION.
MARIA: LET’S NOT FORGET WHAT
JOHN CATJOHN RATLIFFE, ROB, REPL
REPLACE, VERY SIMPLE.
ROB REPLICATE AND REPLACE.
JOHN, WE WILL BE WATCHING ALL OF