MY FIRST GUEST IS AN AMERICAN ICON WHO STARS IN THE NEW FILM
"A WRINKLE IN TIME."
>> NO TIME TO WASTE!
>> YOU JUST HAVE TO FIND THE RIGHT FREQUENCY.
AND HAVE FAITH IN WHO YOU ARE.
♪ ♪ ♪ >> LET'S FIND YOUR FATHER.
SHALL WE?
>> Stephen: PLEASE WELCOME, OPRAH WINFREY!
CHOPPER CHOPPER ♪ ♪ ♪
( APPLAUSE ) >> WHOA!
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).
>> Stephen: SO GOOD TO SEE YOU.
THAT'S NICE.
>> IT'S GOOD!
>> Stephen: IT'S FUN.
THEY'RE ENJOYING THEMSELVES.
I'M AFRAID THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TIME FOR.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
>> I LOVE IT.
>> Stephen: GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
>> GOOD TO SEE YOU.
YOU DID MY SHOW.
>> Stephen: IT WAS SO FUN.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON.
>> INSIGHTFUL.
>> Stephen: I WAS HONORED WITH THAT LOVELY GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT
YOU HAD.
>> THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.
THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.
>> Stephen: IT HAS BEEN A YEAR-- MORE THAN A YEAR, SINCE
YOU HAVE BEEN ON THIS SHOW.
IN JANUARY OF 2017 YOU SAID 2017 WAS GOING TO BE YOUR YEAR OF...
>> ADVENTURE.
>> Stephen: EXACTLY.
YOUR YEAR OF ADVENTURE.
>> I ACTUALLY DID DO THAT.
SO SOMETIMES YOU WILL SET A GOAL, AND THEN IT DOESN'T
HAPPEN, AND YOU'RE LIKE, "OKAY, THAT'S OKAY."
BUT THIS YEAR, IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
BECAUSE FOR ME THE BIGGEST ADVENTURE WAS NEW ZEALAND.
AND I HEAR YOU'VE BEEN THERE.
>> Stephen: OH, I LOVE IT.
>> ISN'T IT?
ISN'T IT.
>> Stephen: NEW ZEALAND IS AMAZING.
>> I WANT EVERYONE IN THE WORLD TO GO.
I WISH I COULD SAY, "YOU GO TO NEW ZEALAND.
YOU GO TO ZEALAND."
I WISH I COULD.
>> Stephen: I'M GOING TO GET TO THE MOVIE IN JUST A MOMENT,
BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT "60 MINUTES" HERE, FIRST.
>> WHAT ABOUT IT?
>> Stephen: YOU DID SOMETHING-- YOU'VE DONE TWO
ROUNDTABLES, RIGHT, SO FAR.
>> UH-HUH.
>> Stephen: WITH PRO AND ANTI-TRUMP VOTERS IN MICHIGAN.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE SORT OF THING YOU'D WANT TO BRING A
HELMUT TO, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SO DIVIDED -- OR A CUP.
PEOPLE ARE SO DIVIDED THESE DAYS.
>> THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT THE FIRST TIME IT WAS A
LITTLE AWKWARD, AND I COULD TELL THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO
ACTUALLY DIDN'T WANT ME SITTING NEXT TO THEM.
SO YOU KNOW WHAT I DO WHEN YOU DON'T WANT ME SITTING NEXT TO
YOU?
I LEAN IN.
I LEAN OVER, AND THEN I LEAN IN--
( APPLAUSE ).
>> Stephen: MAKE THEM NERVOUS OR SOMETHING?
>> NOT NERVOUS.
I THINK-- THEY ACTUALLY TOLD ME LATER THAT THEY THOUGHT THAT I
WOULD BRING MY OWN POLITICAL STUFF THERE AND THAT THEY
WEREN'T THAT HAPPY TO SEE ME.
THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID TO ME AFTERWARDS.
BUT NOW, I WENT BACK, LIKE, SIX MONTHS LATER, AND THAT GROUP WAS
STILL-- THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED.
I WANTED TO GO TO "60 MINUTES" BECAUSE I THOUGHT LET'S SEE WHAT
WE CAN DO TO BRIDGE THE DIVIDE IN THE COUNTRY.
YOU CAN GET BOTH SIDES TALKING TO EACH OTHER?
AND THAT GROUP OF 14 PEOPLE STAYED IN CONTACT, EVEN THOUGH
THEY DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE COMING BACK.
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE COMING BACK.
AND THEY ALL STARTED THIS WHOLE FACEBOOK PAGE CALLED "AMERICA'S
HOPE," AND THEY STARTED THEY STILL-- NOT ONE PERSON CHANGED
THEIR MIND, BUT THEY LEARNED TO LISTEN TO EACH OTHER AND
DISAGREE WITHOUT BEING SO DISAGREEABLE.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
>> Stephen: WOW, OKAY.
SO--
>> WHICH MEANS IT CAN HAPPEN.
>> Stephen: THAT'S HOPEFUL.
THAT'S HOPEFUL.
AS LONG AS PEOPLE KEEP TALKING, YOU CAN AT LEAST NEGOTIATE WHERE
THE COUNTRY IS GOING.
>> YEAH.
>> Stephen: IF YOU DON'T TALK--
>> IT MEANS YOU CAN HEAR ANOTHER PERSON'S POINT OF VIEW, AT
LEAST.
>> Stephen: SO HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT?
LIKE, BEING ON "60 MINUTES" AND DOING THESE KIND OF INTERVIEWS,
OBVIOUSLY, YOU HAD THE TALK SHOW OF TALK SHOWS FOR 20 YEARS OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> 25!
>> Stephen: I APOLOGIZE.
( LAUGHTER ) I APOLOGIZE.
>> THAT EXTRA FIVE YEARS!
( APPLAUSE ) WAIT UNTIL YOU'RE ON 25.
THAT EXTRA FIVE YOU'RE GOING TO BE COUNTING IT.
YOU'RE GOING TO BE COUNTING IT, STEVE GLEN HOW IS THIS
DIFFERENT?
YOU CERTAINLY HAD ALL THAT EXPERIENCE TALKING TO PEOPLE.
>> WHAT'S DIFFERENT IS EVERYBODY WATCHED THE "OPRAH SHOW" THEY
GENERALLY KNEW WHERE MY OPINIONS WERE.
AND I TRIED REALLY HARD TO NOT TO BE BIASED EITHER WAY, JUST TO
BE-- I LITERALLY SAY, "I'M GOING TO GO IN.
MY ONLY INTENTION IS TO LISTEN AND TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND AND TO
LET OTHER PEOPLE BE HEARD."
RATHER THAN MY OWN SHOW I WAS A PARTICIPANT IN THAT SHOW, AND I
HAD MY OPINIONS AND PEOPLE KNEW WHERE MY VALUES WERE.
>> Stephen: YOU'RE A GOOD TALKER.
>> I'M A GOOD TALKER.
SO I TRY TO BE A BETTER LISTENER WHEN I DO "60 MINUTES."
>> Stephen: SO YOU'RE NOT DOING A TALK SHOW.
YOU'RE DOING A LISTENING SHOW.
>> I DO A LISTENING SHOW, KIND OF.
>> Stephen: YOU DID HAVE ONE VERY BIG FAN WHO WATCHED YOU.
>> OH, YEAH.
>> Stephen: ON THE SECOND NIGHT THAT YOU DID IT.
THIS IS A YOUNG MAN NAMED DONALD WHO LIVES IN WASHINGTON.
YEAH.
( LAUGHTER ) >> Stephen: NOW, I WOULD SAY,
IF THERE IS ONE THING I ASSOCIATE WITH YOU, IT'S
INSECURE.
( LAUGHTER ) YOU JUST DON'T SEEM LIKE YOU'RE
COMING FROM A PLACE OF STRENGTH.
>> I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT HERE'S THE DEAL.
I TAKE ALL CRITICISM-- PARTICULARLY OVER THE YEARS.
I REMEMBER A LONG TIME AGO A CRITIC HAD SAID WHEN I FIRST
STARTED TELEVISION, "SHE ATE THE FURNITURE.
SHE ATE THE QUESTION, SHAT SHE A THE"-- I ACTUALLY LISTENED TO
THAT AND BECAME A BETTER LISTENER.
WHEN I HEARD THE PRESIDENT HAD TWEETED THAT I WENT BACK AND
LOOKED AT THE TAPE TO SEE WHAT IS HE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT?
WAS I BIASED?
WERE WE NOT FAIR?
AND I DIDN'T GET IT.
I REALLY-- BUT I DID EXAMINE IT.
I CALLED UP THE "60 MINUTES" PRODUCERS.
I SAID, "HEY, LET'S-- IS THERE ANY VALIDITY TO THIS AT ALL?"
AND WE ALL LOOKED TAT AND SAID NO.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).
>> Stephen: YEAR, I WOULD AGREE.
I WOULD AGREE.
SO HERE'S-- HERE'S ANOTHER-- HERE'S ANOTHER ADVENTURE THAT
YOU HAD THIS YEAR.
>> YEAH.
>> Stephen: YOU DIDN'T JUST GO TO NEW ZEALAND.
YOU WENT TO NEW ZEALAND, AND YOU BECAME A BLOND SUPERHERO.
>> I WENT TO NEW ZEALAND AND I GOT A DOLL.
>> Stephen: YOU GOT A DOLL.
>> DID YOU READ THE BOOK.
>> Stephen: YES, I READ IT.
I HAD IT READ TO ME IN THIRD GRADE BY MRS. KELLEY THANK YOU,
MRS. KELLY.
>> NOBODY FORGETS THEIR THIRD-GRADE TEACHER.
>> Stephen: WHEN I WAS 10, A FEW YEARS LATER, I READ IT.
>> REALLY.
>> Stephen: YEAH.
AMAZING.
I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE MOVIE BECAUSE I REMEMBER MRS. WHICH
AND WHAT'S IT AND WHO.
AND THEN DAD DISAPPEARS.
>> THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.
>> Stephen: AND IT, I WAS SO FRIGHTENED OF IT.
>> DID YOU KNOW WHAT IT WAS?
>> Stephen: NO, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS.
>> IT WAS THE DARKNESS!
IT IS THE DARKNESS!
>> Stephen: YOU JUST WENT DARTH VADER ON ME RIGHT THERE.
WHAT IS THE DARKNESS AGAIN?
THE DARKNESS IS THE DARKNESS THAT'S SPREADING SO FAST THESE
DAYS, THE ONLY THING FASTER THAN THE LIGHT IS THE DARKNESS.
AND THE DARKNESS IS INSIDE YOU.
IT'S WHEN EVIL TAKES OVER INSIDE.
>> Stephen: HOW DO YOU KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING BECAUSE I
DON'T WANT TO BE EVIL?
>> YOU HAVE TO STAY IN THE LIGHT.
>> Stephen: YOU HAVE TO STAY IN THE LIGHT.
>> AND THAT'S WHAT MRS. WHICH IS, AND MANDY KALING, AND REESE
WITHERSPOON-- WHO I HEAR IS GOING TO BE ON THIS WEEK.
THESE ANGEL, MILLENNIAL WOMEN WHO HELP THE GIRL, MEG, PLAYED
BY THE GOLDEN STORM REID, PLAYED BY HER, WHO IS SEARCHING FOR HER
FATHER.
AND WE HELP HER FIND HER FATHER.
"WE SHALL FIND YOUR FATHER."
>> Stephen: I KNOW.
I KNOW.
IT'S AN ETERNAL STRUGGLE.
>> COME WITH ME.
YES, YES.
>> Stephen: DID YOU READ THE BOOKS GROWING UP?
>> NO, DID NOT MAKE MY NEIGHBORHOOD, DID NOT.
>> Stephen: NO?
>> I JUST DIDN'T.
I JUST DIDN'T.
I HAD OTHER STUFF.
>> Stephen: YEAH.
IT'S A LITTLE FRIGHTENING.
>> I THINK IT IS, AND SO I WOULDN'T ADVISE IT FOR, LIKE
SIX-YEAR-OLDS.
BUT YOU SAID THIRD GRADE.
>> Stephen: EIGHTH GRADE-- EIGHT YEARS OLD.
>> AROUND EIGHT TO 89 FRAN I WOULD SAY IS GOOD.
SO TAKE YOUR KIDS.
YOUR DAUGHTERS -- TAKE YOUR DAUGHTERS-- TAKE YOUR SONS, TOO.
BUT I THINK YOUNG KIDS ARE GOING TO LOVE IT, LOVE IT.
>> Stephen: AND WHAT'S THE DARKNESS TODAY THESE DAYS, DO
YOU?
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE DARKNESS IS--
( LAUGHTER ) I'M NOT LEADING.
I PROMISE YOU.
>> YOU ARE NOT LEADING?
>> Stephen: I'M NOT.
I'M LISTENING.
( LAUGHTER ).
>> OKAY.
( APPLAUSE ) ♪ ♪ ♪
>> IT'S THIS PERVASIVE FEELING THAT ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE IS
BETTER THAN THE OTHER OR ONE SIDE IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER
SIDE.
AND SO IN TIMES OF DARKNESS, WE MUST ALL BE WARRIORS FOR THE
LIGHT, STEPHEN.
>> Stephen: OH, I LIKE THAT.
>> YES.
>> Stephen: I LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE TO TAKE A LITTLE BREAK RIGHT HERE.
I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT YOUR UPCOMING PRESIDENTIAL RUN WHICH
OBVIOUSLY--
>> I'VE SAID -- >> Stephen: I KNOW.
I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT.
>> YEAH.
>> Stephen: YOU'VE SAID YOU WON'T DO IT, BUT I HAVE A
SPECIAL GUEST STOPPING BY WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO CONVINCE YOU
OTHERWISE.
PLEASE, HOLD THERE, DON'T GO ANYWHERE.
STICK AROUND.