Joe: Hey, it's Joe Crump.
I've got another deal that I think makes sense.
And I'm going to show you how these types of deals make sense.
I teach zero down structures.
I've been teaching you in these videos.
I teach them in my program, pushbuttonmethod.com.
Zerodowninvesting.com is my mentor program.
Go look at both of those.
There's lots of free information just on those sites about how we do some of this stuff and
also how you can get involved in those programs if you want to pay for them.
I'll be happy to teach you.
Joe: But, let's talk about specific subject-to deals so that you can see the structure and
how it works.
I'm going to show you one of the types of deals that I do in my Millionaire Matrix so
that you can see how this process works and how cool it is -- where you don't have any
money, no credit in it and it makes you money for the rest of your life.
These are cool deals and they're pretty easy to put together if you use the Push Button
system that I've got which automates the whole process of bringing your buyers and your sellers
to you; I love it.
It's how I built my rather substantial portfolio doing it.
Joe: Now, this subject-to house is currently in my inventory.
I haven't even advertised it for sale.
I keep it as part of my portfolio.
I'm holding onto it as a long term strategy, but I am willing to sell it as well.
So I'll show you what I do with some of these properties.
The beauty of it is it's so easy to find these properties.
There's so many of them available out there that it's not difficult to sell them.
So if you ever want to buy this way and don't want to do the work to find the properties,
then give me a call and I'll put one together for you.
It's going to be an unusual type of investment and you're not going to get your head around
it at the beginning because at first glance, it's going to seem like a crazy idea, especially
when you look at these numbers that I'm going to show you here.
Joe: Let's go into this one specifically.
You can take over this property.
I find a homeowner that says I can't afford to make the payments any more.
I want to move.
I'm current on my payments.
I'll make your next payment for you and then I'll deed you the property.
So they deed me the property and I take it over.
Joe: By the way, if you want to learn how to do subject-to deals, I teach it in my mentor
program at zerodowninvesting.com and you can learn about that, or you can learn it in my
push button method -- pushbuttonmethod.com.
And we actually have some automated systems to bring folks in who do this, a complete
FSBO subject-to system that automates the entire thing so that all you have to do is
pick up the phone when the seller's ready to go and then you sell it to them.
They don't flood in with that method but they come in enough to get one or two of them a
month and get the process going.
But you have to be careful with negative cash flow.
And I'm going to talk about that right now.
Joe: Here's the numbers on this particular property.
This was a brand new property when I got it.
You can see the dumpster was still outside, so it was less than a year old.
The current mortgage that we were taking over was $162,000.
That's a little bit above its actual market value right now.
The markets dropped maybe $10,000 or $15,000 from this value so I'm actually taking it
over for a higher mortgage than it's worth.
I'm paying more for the property than its real value.
But let's see if it's a sustainable deal.
First of all, it's got $1,300 a month income on it, which is market rent for this property.
And we're getting that.
I've got a tenant in there who's been in there for a couple of years that is paying $1,300
a month on this property.
The payment that we have to make for this mortgage is $1,195 a month.
That breaks down to $193 principle, 76% interest, $157 in property taxes and then the mortgage
insurance because they didn't have 20% down when they got the loan so they've got to pay
mortgage insurance for a few more years.
And then property management -- this is what she's charging me -- I get a little bit cheaper
property management than you would because I've got a lot of properties.
So the total payment that I've got going out every month is $2,900 every month.
We've got $1,300 a month coming in so that manes we've got 1$ positive cash flow, right?
And in fact, what that means is we've got less than that because there's always a risk
of vacancies.
There's a risk of repairs that have to be done.
So does it make sense to take a property like this if this is the kind of deal that you're
getting?
Some people would say absolutely not -- there's lots of other ways to do it.
But, and this isn't the only thing that you can have in your strategy, you've got to have
cash flow in your strategy as well, but this is a long term investment and it makes a lot
of sense.
Let's look at the rest of the deal here.
Joe: The mortgage that's on it is a 5.75 fixed mortgage.
It's a 30 year mortgage.
There's still 27 years left to this mortgage as of the time I'm recording this.
Last year, it cost me $500 to keep this property.
I didn't make it to my 12.
It cost me $500 because we had some repairs that had to be done, so I ended up paying
$500 to keep this property, but I got some benefits from it.
I got depreciation on the property, which because I'm a real estate professional (and
you can be too if you work 750 hours a year in real estate) and if you don't, then you'd
have to take it off of your passive investments, although you can -- well, there's some other
rules on this -- I'm not going to get into all of that.
But there is some depreciation on this one.
I'm able to depreciate by 27.5 years, so let's say $130,000 is the cost of the improvements
on this.
If I divide that by 27.5 I get $4,700 a year I can deduct from my taxable income.
So let's say your taxable income was $75,000 that year.
You could reduce that $75,000 income and only pay income on what? -- $71,000$ of that, or
$70,300 actually, because you'd be taking $4,700 off of that.
So if you're in the 35% tax bracket, that means that you've got 35% of that.
That means your actual savings is about $1,600 a month.
So if it costs me $500 to keep that property, with just depreciation alone, I made $1,100
above what it costs me.
Now I might have had a vacancy so it might have cost me a month or two of payments.
So you have to be aware of that and make sure you have enough cash flow to handle it.
I'm in a position to where I do.
Fortunately, if you advertise a bunch of properties, you're not going to have too big of a problem.
Joe: There's also the mortgage buy down.
Let's go back to this other page here and show you that the principle, $193 a month,
is being paid towards principle; about $2,300 a year is going toward principle.
So with the $1,600 plus the $2,300 that brings us to about $3,900, minus the $500, so now
I'm at $3,400 a month if I paid that $500.
So now it's not too bad even if I had 2 or 3 months of vacancies, that property would
still be paying for itself every month and I'd be okay.
Also, eventually this property is going to appreciate in value.
Even though I paid a little more for it than its current market value, I did it in a time
that's kind of depressed right now.
That's one of the reason it's so easy to get subject-to properties right now -- because
of the people who are upside down in their property and they can't go and sell it with
a realtor.
So it makes a lot of sense for them to do it this way as well.
Joe: If you wanted to buy it from me, you could pay me $5,000.
I wouldn't give you the deed to the property.
Remember I talked about staying in control of the transaction?
I would stay in control of the transaction by staying on the deed and selling it to you
on a land contract but on the same terms that the current mortgage is.
So all you have to do is make the current payment on the mortgage and as long as you
do that, this property will be yours.
You'll be able to keep it and you'll be able to get all of the deductions and appreciation
and all of the value from that.
Now, there's going to be a vacancy eventually on this property because we rented it to a
tenant, not to a lease option buyer.
And by the way, tenants can sometimes stay for 15 to 30 years on a property.
On average, people move every 2 to 5 years, but I've had an awful lot of properties that
people stayed in forever it seems like.
Anyway, if they moved out, then if you wanted to, you could go out there and lease option
that property.
I use a professional property manager, and I don't want to screw with going out and finding
a lease option tenant and I don't need the extra $3,500.
But if I did, and I wanted to make a little extra capital, and let's say I was having
to release this thing or sell it every year or every 2 years, if I could make an extra
$3,500 a year on this property, it could pay for any expenses that I had on it and it would
offset my negative.
Again, you don't want to do this without some reserves.
You've got to make sure you have some money in place but if you have some reserves, it's
a pretty good bet that you're going to come out ahead.
Joe: You don't want to lose this property back to me.
You don't want to stop making your payments and then have me coming in and having to take
it over.
And if you bought it from me, I'd require that you use my manager because it's somebody
I trust.
I want to make sure it's managed properly because I have an obligation to the owner
of the property to make sure that it's paid for properly.
Joe: Anyway, that's subject-to deals.
You can go in there and learn how to do them and how to find them yourself and use a lease
option fee.
By the way, I've seen people make 3 or 4 lease option fees on one property in one year because
the people would be in it for 2 or 3 months and then stop paying it, then they'd go lease
option it to somebody else.
So in a way, it's kind of a benefit to you if they default if you're selling it on a
lease option because you're going to make more money than you'd make on your rent.
Now, it's not my desire ever to have somebody fail in these situations but at least you
know that if they do, you've got a way to make up for it.
Joe: That's subject to.
Subject-to is an exciting way to buy properties and I think most people had no idea they could
buy this way until somebody said, 'Hey, just have someone deed you the property and you
can take it over.'
Joe: By the way, you can buy anything subject-to.
You can buy multifamily buildings.
You can buy commercial properties.
You can buy automobiles; anything that's been financed can be purchased subject-to.
You can buy Earth moving equipment.
You can buy anything this way.
You just have to be able to make the payments on it.
But you don't have to use credit -- you only use down payment.
You just get people out of the situation they're in that want to get rid of those properties
and then as long as you have a good exit strategy, and I think hopefully by now, after listening
to all of these videos about analyzing deals, you know that exit strategy is the number
one issue of this whole process.
If you have a good exit strategy and you know where it's going to go, and you've got multiple
options for your exit, you can make a lot of money.
And subject-to gives you all of those things.
Joe: By the way, I do sell some subject-to properties, too -- turnkey packages that already
have tenants in them that are pretty much break even.
It'll cost you $5,000 to take them over from me and then you'll have a property that is
essentially at market value, and maybe in some cases the mortgage is even a little higher
than market value, but it's pretty close to break even.
You'll be able to hold that thing for 20 or 25 years, be able to get the tax benefits
through the year, be able to pay it off over the years and then retire and get the income
for life for it.
And be able to pass it onto your kids.
So if you're interested in seeing a really high return on that money, let me know and
I'll show you how to buy some of these subject-to properties that I've got.
We've got professional management to handle that stuff for you too, so that you don't
have to worry about that stuff (I don't).
Thanks, now.
Bye bye.