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hey guys Jay here welcome to eons of battle and I spent the day putting together a whole
bunch of lists for different War Games to see just how horribly expensive is Warhammer 40
000 because you go to the Games Workshop Store everything's very expensive you go home and
you look at your model collection and you just can't even bring yourself to let money enter the
equation in your brain because it's just a little bit too scary to think about but I have a lot of
War games under my belt I was wondering is every other thing than Games Workshop like way cheaper
I put I looked at all of the army games that are of similar sizes have similar points value will
get you a similar collection of Miniatures to sit on your shelf and look pretty and I built
them for all these games and now it is time to compare them but first we should look at what
they're going to be compared against and that is a 40K list I put together other and also the way
I looked at these armies was I wanted them to all have a similar amount of infantry versus
vehicle units a similar amount of physical units and I let myself have one starter box to build
up from assuming that everybody probably starts out with some sort of a discount box to get you
in but then kind of down the line splurges a little bit because it's you know there's
always ways of like well maybe I'll get the comet Patrol and then I'll eBay something and then I'll
buy something off of a friend but then I also want the silent King and so it all it all sort
of evens itself out so the list I put together for the black Templar is a thousand Point Army
it is the starter box the combat Patrol the Marshall the intercessor squad the Crusader
Squad and an impulsor and then to round out the Army to a thousand points I got another
primaris Crusader Squad a redemptor Dreadnought and a squad of Sword Brethren 33 Miniatures 31
infantry and two vehicles and if you purchase that retail it will come out to 355 dollars I
did retail pricing for all of these although everything other than Games Workshop you can
find for cheaper from friendly local game stores or other online retailers Games Workshop you can
usually get about 15 off but it's never gonna really be any better than that but 355 bones
for a thousand points and I suppose you could double that to get to the more typically played 2
000 points 355 bones that is a lot of cheddar so I jumped to my other favorite large battle war
game Star Wars Legion for Star Wars Legion I put together a list featuring the lovely starter box
Star Wars Legion has probably the best starter I guess the two best starter boxes in the business
because there's one for classic Empire versus Rebels and then there's another one for Clone
Wars droids versus clones they're both absolutely phenomenal and have everything necessary in the
Box to get playing immediately some extra dice would be a good purchase because it doesn't
really come with enough Dice and their special dice specific for the game but really really
great starter set and then on top of that I added bossk another box of Stormtroopers Scout Troopers
Shore Troopers and atst and a do back this comes out to 34 Miniatures 32 infantry Miniatures and
two vehicle Miniatures and comes out to 324 dollars kind of right there with Warhammer 40
000. I did need more units to get to do a similar a similar Army points cost in game but yeah I was
kind of surprised that it cost pretty much as much as Games Workshop now the nice thing about this
is I just added in the Army starter set which is about a hundred bucks and so you're going to end
up with this really nice Imperial Army and some Rebels but if you split it with a friend then that
cost would drop by like 50 bucks so I don't know I really like Star Wars Legion the one thing that's
great about Star Wars Legion is that in terms of building squads everything is usually in squads of
like two to seven with the maximum being seven and that actually lets you have a lot more different
unique squads in a battle where that games or trap list has only about like seven units in it this
has over 10. so that's what one thing I really like about Star Wars Legion but yeah Star Wars
leads region 324 dollars to build a very similar Army moving right along to another war game that
I am getting into conflict 47 a retro futurism game set in kind of an alternate reality World War
II where every single faction got access to like Mex and Tesla coils and werewolves it's a really
really fun game and putting together a box of this stuff I have a veteran second Lieutenant a regular
infantry section a veteran infantry section a veteran heavy infantry Squad and then another
one of those an Allied Grizzly medium Walker an armored officer Squad a veteran sniper Squad a
veteran coyote light walker and a veteran Sherman tank ah really really fun collection of Miniatures
this is for the American uh faction oh there's definitely something to be said because I was on
their website and I've been PL I have started to buy American units and I think that they're really
cool the Soviets get bear guys like literally they're got half people half bears this is pretty
epic but I'm I'm I'm I'm married to the American forces for right now maybe down the line but uh
this all comes out to 33 mini era 36 Miniatures 33 infantry Miniatures and three vehicles and it
comes out to 284 dollars so definitely cheaper than the last two but not monstrously cheaper
definitely get it's like it's almost exactly the same amount of plastic or in this case
um metal resin and plastic and it's almost the exact on the Shelf all three of these forces would
look very similar and be a very similar amount of painting and modeling but 284 dollars for this
for the 40K list I put together it is a thousand points on the dot for the Star Wars Legion and
for conflict 47 it's kind of a thousand points plus uh most games don't fit perfectly into games
workshops points system usually you either play at a little bit smaller or a little bit bigger
but not like right on the dot it's just in terms of game mechanics it's weird that like I think
it's just because 40K has so like much physically bigger squads and usually the squads are in fives
and tens but both of these games would technically be slightly bigger than Warhammer 40 000 although
you're playing at the same points level you're playing with the same number of Miniatures but
you're playing a significantly larger points game of conflict and Star Wars Legion than you
are Warhammer 40 000 but if you're rolling the same amount of dice and pushing around the same
number of models it's kind of a wash so conflict 47 is the big winner out of this experiment but I
put together a another Force for mantix firefights mantix firefight is a Sci-Fi Mass battles game in
a very similar vein to Warhammer 40 000 with a lot of similarities to previous editions
of Warhammer 40 000 specifically like 5th 6th and seventh edition I put together a force of
the forge fathers using the forge father Strike Force Forge father weapons platform formation and
a single hellfather which makes for 20 forage father militia a forge father iron ancestor a
Stern Hammer battle tank a forge father steel Warrior Squad a forge father Forge guard Squad
and a forge father steal Warrior Squad man is that a tongue twister 43 Miniatures 38 infantry
models and five vehicle squads for 155 bones man Mantic will hook you up with some plastic that is
a phenomenal deal for the largest army out of this little project I've been putting together ah the
really the really sad thing about all of this is I own almost all of these models that I'm mentioning
gotta get some more games in but yeah mantix firefight if you want to play a mass battle
game if you want to just have a lot of plastic to build and paint I feel like Mantic is your
best bet holy moly and they have similar bundle deals and similar similar like purchasing power
for your dollars across all of their model ranges I really like the dwarves I think they have some
really really good Sci-Fi dwarves I might like these guys a little bit better than the leagues of
oton they kind of scratch different itches I feel like the forage fathers from mantix firefight are
a little bit more like classic space dwarves in space they kind of got like quilted armor
and they're just really big and bulky and they have Mech suits with like classic dwarf faces
carved into them and these cheese slope shaped tanks where the leaves of otan are a little bit
more like soft or like hard sci-fi like reality they're a little bit more cyberpunk they scratch
two different inches I feel like where yeah one of them is very cyberpunk and the other one is
very fantasy in space and for less than half the cost of any of these other forces for more plastic
it's it's kind of tempting now in terms of taking these up to 2 000 points or two thousand points
Warhammer 40K is a big big battle where for uh firefight Star Wars Legion and conflict 47 the
list that I have shown here are pretty much the big version of the game and if you go bigger than
these you're kind of getting into apocalypse territory for those sorts of game systems
where 40K can be played at 3 000 points I don't know if I ever want to play a 3 000 point game I
feel like I really like a thousand point games 2 000 points is fine but it's gonna be the afternoon
because I'm kind of a slow player and then if I'm gonna go bigger than 2 000 points it's gonna be
like 5 000 or 10 000 points and we're just gonna do something absolutely silly push every table in
my house together and just play uh for two days straight Non-Stop and just go crazy apocalypse
I would really like to look at some of the other Mass battle games these are really the only ones I
could really think of that feel like Warhammer 40 000 that feel like you're putting together
these massive forces and seeing what happens when they Clash on the battlefield there's other games
like A Song of Ice and Fire strategy battle game or conquest and those are more in the fantasy
genre and a little bit more Rank and flank maybe there would be something to trying out a bunch of
different Rank and playing games and seeing which which one is the rankiest and the flankiest let me
know in the comments below what you think link of these lists and let me know what you think
of how these games kind of shaped out in terms of pricing really my goal was to put together
similar factions but there's definitely ways of building a little bit cheaper I mean you could
go Adept as custodies and have a much cheaper uh thousand Point Army you could go Imperial Knights
and have a way more expensive thousand Point Army and similarly there's a lot of deals and bundles
to be found for these non-war Hammer 40 000 games but the only thing I know for sure is to play all
of these games you're gonna need so much terrain and the best place to get it is on our patreon
over there we have a new STL terrain bundle every single month and this month we have the corpse
starch Factory an entire Battlefield devoted to manufacturing Corp starch a food product made for
the People by the people of the people we also make one episode of eons of battle every single
week and we have a tear we can get your name on one of my black Templar Space Marines and you can
join the Crusade part of the reason why I've been putting together so many of these lists is because
I want to play all of these different war games I want to be the very best like no one ever was
to play every single war game is my real Quest and to no I just play them thanks for watching