PROBE THAT KEEPS THE FOCUS,
YES, ON THE RUSSIA PROBE.
MARTHA?
>> Martha: INDEED IT DOES.
ED, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JOINING US NOW SOUTH
CAROLINA CONGRESSMAN TREY
GOWDY CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE
OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT
REFORM COMMITTEE AND HOUSE
INTEL COMMITTEE.
YOU WERE ONE WHO SAW SOME OF
THE BACKGROUND DOCUMENTS
RELATED TO THIS ISSUE OF
WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A
SPY OR INFORMANT IN THE
CAMPAIGN LATE LAST WEEK.
ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN SHARE
ON A BROAD SCALE ABOUT WHAT
WENT DOWN THERE?
>> I THINK THERE ARE TWO
THINGS IMPORTANT TO
UNDERSTAND.
NUMBER ONE, THE SOURCE OF
PRESIDENT TRUMP’S
FRUSTRATION.
BRENNAN SAID HE SHOULD BE IN
THE DUST BIN OF HISTORY.
COMEY SAID IMPEACHMENT IS
TOO GOOD OF A REMEDY.
CLAPPER DOESN’T LIKE HIM.
LORETTA LYNCH SAID CALL IT A
MATTER, NOT AN
INVESTIGATION.
SCHIFF SAID HE HAD EVIDENCE
OF COLLUSION BEFORE WE EVEN
BEGAN THE INVESTIGATION AND
60 DEMOCRATS HAVE VOTED TO
IMPEACH HIM BEFORE BOB
MUELLER HAS COME UP WITH A
SINGLE, SOLITARY FINDING.
THAT’S WHAT HAS HIM
FRUSTRATED.
WHAT SHOULD HAVE HIM
HEARTENSIDE CHRIS WRAY, ROD
ROSENSTEIN AND ALL THE
SENIOR WERE ALL TRUMP
APPOINTEES.
HERE IS WHAT IS FAIR TO ASK.
WHAT DID THE FBI DO?
WHEN DID THEY DO IT?
WHAT WAS THE FACTUAL
PREDICATE UPON WHICH THEY
TOOK WHATEVER ACTIONS THEY
TOOK AND AGAINST WHOM WERE
THEY DIRECTED?
BUT, REMEMBER, MARTHA, IT
WAS PRESIDENT TRUMP HIMSELF
WHO SAID, NUMBER ONE, I
DIDN’T COLLUDE WITH RUSSIA
BUT IF ANYONE CONNECTED WITH
MY CAMPAIGN DID, I WANT THE
FBI TO FIND THAT OUT.
IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE FBI
WAS DOING WHAT PRESIDENT
TRUMP SAID I WANT YOU TO DO
FIND IT OUT.
HE IS NOT THE TARGET.
SO, WHEN SCHIFF AND OTHERS
DON’T MAKE THAT CLEAR, THEY
ARE DOING A DISSERVICE TO
OUR FELLOW CITIZENS.
HE IS NOT THE TARGET.
>> Martha: THIS RAISES THE
QUESTION THAT THE PRESIDENT
RAISED IN THIS -- ONE OF
THOSE TWEETS.
THERE WERE A LOT OF THEM.
IN WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT
QUITE A BIT HERE LAST WEEK
IF THAT WERE THE CASE, WHY
DIDN’T THEY GIVE HIM A
LITTLE BRIEFING.
HERE IS WHAT WE FOUND OUT.
YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE
SOMEBODY WHO ASKED SOME
QUESTIONS OF GEORGE
PAPADOPOULOS.
WE DO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO HAS
ASKED QUESTIONS OF CARTER
PAGE.
HERE’S WHAT YOU NEED TO
KNOW.
>> I THINK DEFENSIVE
BRIEFINGS ARE DONE A LOT.
AND WHY THE COMEY FBI DIDN’T
DO IT, I DON’T KNOW.
BUT CHRIS WRAY AND ROD
ROSENSTEIN HAVE AT LEAST
MADE IT CLEAR TO US, DONALD
TRUMP WAS NEVER THE TARGET
OF THE INVESTIGATION.
HE IS NOT THE CURRENT TARGET
OF THE INVESTIGATION.
NOW, KEEP IN MIND, THAT CAN
ALL CHANGE DEPENDING ON WHAT
A WITNESS SAYS.
AS OF NOW, I THINK CHRIS
WRAY AND ROD ROSENSTEIN ARE
STUNNED WHENEVER PEOPLE
THINK TRUMP IS THE TARGET OF
THEIR INVESTIGATION.
I WILL LEAVE IT UP TO THEM
HOW TO BRIEF THE PRESIDENT.
>> Martha: THAT POINT OF
VIEW THAT YOU ARE TALKING
ABOUT RIGHT NOW, WAS THAT
STRENGTHENED WHEN YOU WENT
INTO THIS BRIEFING LAST
WEEK?
>> YES.
I AM EVEN MORE CONVINCED
THAT THE FBI DID EXACTLY
WHAT MY FELLOW CITIZENS
WOULD WANT THEM TO DO WHEN
THEY GOT THE INFORMATION
THEY GOT.
AND THAT IT HAS NOTHING TO
DO WITH DONALD TRUMP.
>> Martha: ALL RIGHT.
SO, GIVEN THE THINGS THAT
WERE OVER HERE ON THE RIGHT
HAND, ALL THE FRUSTRATIONS,
DO YOU THINK IT’S
PROBLEMATIC THE WAY THE
PRESIDENT HAS -- IS TWEETING
ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME?
BECAUSE HE FEELS LIKE HE
NEEDS TO VENT.
HE HAS GOT TO GET HIS
MESSAGE OUT THERE.
IS IT LEGALLY PROBLEMATIC IN
YOUR MIND WHAT HE IS DOING?
>> I THINK ANY TIME YOU
CREATE PRIOR STATEMENTS YOU
GIVE MUELLER OR OTHER FOLKS
A CHANCE TO QUESTION YOU ON
THEM AND ASK WHAT WAS YOUR
FACTUAL BASIS.
WHY DID YOU SAY THAT?
THE PRESIDENT SHOULD HAVE
ACCESS TO THE BEST LEGAL
MINDS IN THE COUNTRY.
AND I THINK HE SHOULD TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF THOSE.
AND HE HAS GOT SOME REALLY
GOOD COMMUNICATORS THAT ARE
ON HIS STAFF AND AT HIS
CALL.
IF I WERE HIS LAWYER, AND I
NEVER WILL BE, I WOULD TELL
HIM TO RELY ON HIS LAWYERS
AND HIS COMMS FOLKS.
>> Martha: HERE IS ONE OF
THEM, RUDY GIULIANI SPEAKING
WITH BILL HEMMER OVER THE
HOLIDAY WEEKEND.
WATCH.
THIS WHAT’S WRONG WITH THE
GOVERNMENT TRYING TO FIGURE
OUT WHAT RUSSIA WAS UP TO?
>> NOTHING WRONG WITH THE
GOVERNMENT DOING THAT.
EVERYTHING WRONG WITH THE
GOVERNMENT SPYING ON A
CANDIDATE OF THE OPPOSITION
PARTY.
THAT’S A WATERGATE.
SPY GATE.
I MEAN, AND WITHOUT ANY
WARNING TO HIM AND NOW, TO
COMPOUND THAT AND TO MAKE IT
INTO A CRIMINAL
INVESTIGATION, BILL.
THAT’S WHY THIS IS A RIGGED
INVESTIGATION.
>> THERE ARE TWO THINGS
WRONG WITH WHAT THE FORMER
U.S. ATTORNEY SAID.
NUMBER ONE, NO ONE KNOWS
WHETHER THIS IS A CRIMINAL
INVESTIGATION.
MUELLER WAS TOLD TO DO A
COUNTER INTELLIGENCE
INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT
RUSSIA DID.
NUMBER TWO, PRESIDENT TRUMP
HIMSELF IN THE COMEY MEMOS
SAID IF ANYONE CONNECTED
WITH MY CAMPAIGN WAS WORKING
WITH RUSSIA, I WANT YOU TO
INVESTIGATE IT AND IT SOUNDS
TO ME LIKE THAT IS EXACTLY
WHAT THE FBI DID.
I THINK WHEN THE PRESIDENT
FINDS OUT WHAT HAPPENED, HE
IS GOING TO BE NOT JUST
FINE, HE IS GOING TO BE GLAD
THAT WE HAVE AN FBI THAT
TOOK SERIOUSLY WHAT THEY
HEARD.
HE WAS NEVER THE TARGET.
RUSSIA IS THE TARGET.
>> Martha: SOUNDS TO ME AS
IF YOU WOULD ADVISE HIM
THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH HIM
SITTING DOWN WITH ROBERT
MUELLER.
>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.
I HAVE ALWAYS SAID I THINK
YOU OUGHT TO SIT DOWN WITH
BOB MUELLER.
YOU TOLD US PUBLICLY THERE
WAS NO COLLUSION.
YOU TOLD US PUBLICLY THERE
WAS NO OBSTRUCTION.
SAY IN PRIVATE WHAT HAVE YOU
SAID PUBLICLY.
LIMIT THE SCOPE TO EXACTLY
WHAT THE MUELLER MEMO IS,
BUT IF HE WERE MY CLIENT,
AND I WOULD SAY IF YOU HAVE
DONE NOTHING WRONG, THEN YOU
NEED TO SIT DOWN AND TELL
MUELLER WHAT YOU KNOW.
>> Martha: THERE WAS ONE
JUDGE WHO SAID THAT THE
SCOPE WAS ALL OVER THE
PLACE.
DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH
THE SCOPE OF THIS
INVESTIGATION AND DO YOU
FEEL LIKE YOUR COMMITTEE HAS
BEEN SHARED WITH TO THE
EXTENT THAT THAT EXISTS THAT
THE SCOPE EXISTS?
>> I’M NOT SURE WHAT THE
SCOPE OF THE MUELLER PROBE
IS I KNOW THIS: ROSENSTEIN
IS THE ONE WHO CREATED THE
MEMO.
>> Martha: RIGHT.
>> IT’S NOT BOB MUELLER’S
FAULT.
>> Martha: HAVE YOU SEEN
THAT MEMO.
>> I HAVE.
I HAVE SEEN THE MEMO HAVE
YOU SEEN ALSO.
THE OTHER MEMO SOME OF MY
COLLEAGUES WANTS TO SEE IS A
MORE NARROW.
>> Martha: THE ONE THAT
BASICALLY SAYS INVESTIGATE
RUSSIA AND ANYTHING RELATED
TO IT?
>> AND AS A THROW AWAY LINE
AT THE END AND, OF COURSE,
IF THERE IS ANY ACCURATELY
LOOK AT THAT, TOO.
WE RUN TOWARDS THE
CRIMINALITY.
BUT I WOULD THINK EVERYONE
WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHAT
RUSSIA DID.
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