>>> MAYOR PETE BUTTIGEIG IS A HISTORIC CANDIDATE.
HISTORIC CANDIDATE. THE FIRST OPENLY GAY IN THE
UNITED STATES.
UNITED STATES. HE HAS BEEN GAINING TRACTION,
RUNNING THIRD IN NATIONAL POLLS
OF DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY VOTERS.
ONE OF THE THINGS HE HAS DONE IS
TAKE ON VICE PRESIDENT MIKE
PENCE FOR HYPOCRISY AS AN
EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN FOR SO
STRONGLY ENABLING DONALD TRUMP.
FRANKLIN GRAHAM, A VOCAL TRUMP
SUPPORTER HIMSELF HAD ABOUT
ENOUGH OF IT N. A SERIES OF
TREAT TWEETS HE SAID MAYOR
BUTTIGEIG SAID HE’S A GAY
CHRISTIAN.
CHRISTIAN. AS A CHRISTIAN, I BELIEVE THE
BIBLE WHICH DEFINES
HOMOSEXUALITY AS SIN, SOMETHING
TO BE REPENTANT OF, NOT
SOMETHING TO BE FLAUNTED, PRAISE
SAID OR POLITICIZED.
IT SHOULD BE NOTED, GRAHAM NEVER
ASKED DONALD TRUMP TO REPENT FOR
ANYTHING.
ANYTHING. NOT FOR HIS HABITUAL LYING ABOUT
THINGS BIG AND SMALL NOR FOR HIS
MUSLIM BAN OR SEPARATING
FAMILIES AT THE BORDER OR HIS
PERSONAL FAILINGS LIKE ADULTERY.
HE WAS VOCAL ABOUT BILL CLINTON,
WRITING AN OP-ED IN 1998
ENTITLES CLINTON’S SINS ARE NOT
PRIVATE.
PRIVATE. REGARDING TRUMP, GRAHAM TOLD THE
ASSOCIATED PRESS, I THINK THIS
THING WITH STORMY DANIELS IS
NOBODY’S BUSINESS.
NOBODY’S BUSINESS. NOW HE STEPPED UP TO THE PULPIT
TO ATTACK MAYOR BUTTIGEIG.
BUTTIGEIG CHOSE NOT RESPOND, BUT
THE REVEREND DOCTOR HAS TAKE
EARN ISSUE WITH GRAHAM’S
COMMENTS AND REVERENT DOCTOR
BARBER FROM POOR PEOPLE’S
CAMPAIGN AND A NATIONAL CALL FOR
MORAL REVIVAL JOINS ME NOW.
REVEREND
REVEREND REVEREND, GOOD TO SEE YOU.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
WHAT’S YOUR ISSUE WITH FRANKLIN
GRAHAM.
GRAHAM. >> HE AND MANY OTHERS TRY TO
PERPETRATE THAT AS SUCH.
JESUS IS CLEAR ABOUT WHAT SIN
IS.
IS. IT IS REFUSING TO LOVE PEOPLE
AND SHOW GRACE.
SIP IS REFUSING TO ADDRESS THE
ISSUE OF POVERTY.
SIN IS REFUSING TO DEAL WITH
INJUSTICE.
INJUSTICE. SIN IS REFUSING TO WELCOME THE
STRANGER AND TOFEED THE HUNGRY A
CARE FOR THE LEAST OF THESE.
HE NEVER SAID JESUS SAID.
THAT’S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE.
GRAHAM SAID SO MUCH THAT HE AND
OTHERS ARE ABOUT WHAT JESUS SAYS
ALMOST NOTHING ABOUT.
SO LITTLE ABOUT WHAT JESUS SAYS
EVERYTHING ABOUT.
EVERYTHING ABOUT. THERE ARE MORE THAN 2,000
SCRIPTURES THAT SAID WHAT GOD
CALLS US TO BE ABOUT IS HOW WE
CARE FOR THE CHILDREN AND THE
STRANGE AND THE IMMIGRANT AND
THE POOR.
THE POOR. YOU HARDLY EVER HEAR HIM SAY
ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
YET HE TRIED TO PRESENT HIMSELF
AS BEING AUTHENTIC CHRISTIANITY,
BUT WHAT YOU SEE FROM PAST
COMMENTS, IT’S A FORM OF
HYPOCRISY.
HYPOCRISY. >> WHAT’S INTERESTING ABOUT
MAYOR PETE IS THAT HE DOES NOT
SHY AWAY FROM HIS RELIGION.
HE DOES NOT SHY AWAY FROM
CHRISTIANITY AND REJECT THE IDEA
THAT THERE ARE SOME CHRISTIAN
WHO IS TAKE ISSUE WITH HIS
HOMOSEXUALITY.
HOMOSEXUALITY. HE BELIEVES IN A FATE AS HE
INTERPRETS IT THAT IS INCLUSIVE.
>> SURE.
>> SURE. THIS IS NOT NEW.
FREDERICK DOUGLAS TOOK ISSUE
WITH THE SLAVE MASTER RELIGION
BECAUSE HE LOVED THE RELIGION OF
JESUS CHRIST.
JESUS CHRIST. HE HAD TO HATE THE SLAVE
MASTERS.
MASTERS. THE SLAVE MASTERS TOLD THE
SLAVES THEY RAN AWAY FROM
SLAVERY.
SLAVERY. THERE WERE THOSE WHO USED TO SAY
BLACK AND WHITE PEOPLE MARRYING
WAS A SIN.
IT NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT
SEGREGATION BEING A SIN.
GRAHAM AND HIS NOT FEE LINES UP
WITH THOSE FOLKS.
NOT ONLY IS IT ON THE LGBTQ
ISSUE, BUT HEALTH CARE IS A
MORAL ISSUE AND IT’S A FORM OF
SIN THAT WE HAVE MILLIONS AND
MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WITHOUT
HEALTH CARE IN THE RICHEST
COUNTRY OF THE WORLD.
CREATED BY POLICIES, NOT BY THE
IMMORALITY OF POOR PEOPLE.
IF YOU LOOK AT SCRIPTURE AND
JESUS, THOSE ARE CATEGORIZED AS
SIN AND WE OUGHT TO BE DEALING
WITH THOSE IN THIS SOCIETY.
>> YOU TALK ABOUT WELCOMING THE
STRANGER AND FEEDING THE HUNGRY.
WITH REGARDS TO THE SOUTHERN
BORDER, THAT IS NOT THE POLICY.
WHAT IS A GUY LIKE FRANKLIN
GRAHAM GET FOR ATTACKING PETE
BUTTIGEIG AND NEVER SPEAK BEING
THESE THINGS OF WHICH YOU SPEAK.
NEVER SPEAKING ABOUT THE THING
THAT IS THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION
OR DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF HAS
DONE?
DONE? HOW DOES THAT ENRICH FRANKLIN
GRAHAM?
GRAHAM? >> I DON’T KNOW HOW IT DOES, BUT
EVIDENTLY IT DOES IN SOME WAY.
I WISH WE HAD A LONG SHOW TO
DEAL WITH IT, BUT THIS HAS A
HISTORY IN AMERICA.
THEY CALL AT THIS TIME SPIRITUAL
MOBILIZER.
MOBILIZER. ROOSEVELT WHEN HE WAS PUSHING
SOCIAL SECURITY AND THE NEW
DEAL.
DEAL. YOU HAD THE MORAL MAJORITY AND
OTHER GROUPS THAT HAVE COME OUT.
YOU KNOW THE SO-CALLED RELIGIOUS
RIGHT, I DON’T LIKE TO USE THE
TERM, BUT THEY STARTED AROUND
THE ISSUE OF PRIVATIZED SCHOOL
AND WANTED TO REFUSE TO ENGAGE
IN DESEGREGATION.
IN DESEGREGATION. WE HAD FOR YEARS THIS STRANGE
FORM OF EXTREME POLICIES WHERE
PEOPLE SAY BASICALLY IF YOU ARE
AGAINST A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO
CHOOSE AND YOU ARE AGAINST GAY
PEOPLE AND FOR GUNS AND TAX
CUTS, SOMEHOW YOU ARE ON GOD’S
SIDE.
SIDE. THAT’S ANTITHETICAL TO
EVERYTHING THAT JESUS LIVE AND
SHOWED IN HIS LIFETIME.
HE CAN SAY THIS IS THE RELIGION
OF FRANKLIN GRAHAM, BUT HE
CANNOT SAY HIS STATEMENTS ARE
THE RELIGION OF JESUS CHRIST AND
CHRISTIANITY.
CHRISTIANITY. WE HAVE TO CHALLENGE THAT.
I CHALLENGE IT AS SOMEONE WHO IS
A PASTOR AND A THEOLOGIAN AND
LOVES JESUS AND I CAN’T FIND
JESUS SAYING ANY OF THE THINGS
HE SAID.
HE SAID. >> YOU ARE RIGHT.
I WISH WE HAD AN HOUR TO DO