>> >>PEGGY: THE SAN DIEGO ASSOCIATION OF GOVERNMENT OR SANDAG'S 200ÊBILLION DOLLAR REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION
PLAN WAS SUPPOSED TO REDUCE GREEN HOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND IMPROVE TRANSPORTATION IN THE
COUNTY.
A SAN DIEGO COURT REJECTED THE PLAN.
HERE TO EXPLAIN WHAT WENT WRONG IS JACK SHU, BOARD PRESIDENT OF THE CLEVELAND NATIONAL
FOREST FOUNDATION.
THANK YOU FOR TALKING WITH US ABOUT THIS.
YOUR ORGANIZATION SUED SANDAG OVER WHAT?
>> >>JACK SHU: IF I COULD START OUTED BY SAYING WE ARE THANKFUL THE ATTORNEY GENERAL CAMILLA
HARRIS AND INCREDIBLE DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL INTERVENED IN THIS CASE AND THAT IT ESTABLISHED
WITHOUT OUR ATTORNEYS.
>> >>PEGGY: THEY INTERVENES, WHAT WERE THE BULLET POINTS OF WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS.
>> >>JACK SHU: THEY AGREE WOULD OUR ASSERTION THAT THEIR PLAN DID NOT MEET THE CALIFORNIA
QUALITY ACT.
IT DID NOT MEET THE LAW WITH REGARDS TO TELLING OUR COMMUNITY WHAT THE IMPACTS OF THIS PLAN
IS.
>> >>PEGGY: THE PLAN SPECIFICALLY, AS YOU SAID, FAILED TO REDUCE EMISSIONS OVER A LONG
PERIOD OF TIME.
HOW DID SANDAG OVERLOOK THIS OR GET THIS SO WRONG?
>> >>JACK SHU: THEY MET KIND OF SKIMMINGLYÊ OR JUST BARELY FOR THE YEAR 2020 AND THE YEAR
2035 MEETING SOME PART OF STATE LAW.
WHAT THEY FAILED TO MEET IS GOVERNOR SCHWARZENEGGER'S EXECUTIVE ORDER GOING INTO 2050.
>> >>PEGGY: THIS CHART IS FROM SANDAG THEMSELVES.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE YOU SAID THE 2020 THAT'S WHERE EVERYTHING LINES UP FOR GREASE
HOUSE GAS EMISSIONS.
BUT THEN YOU SEE I THINK AT 2050 THIS GIANT GAP WHERE EMISSIONS ARE SUPPOSED TO DROP,
BUT THE BLUE LINE GOES UP AND SANDAG THEMSELVES ARE PREDICTING THEIR EMISSIONS WILL ACTUALLY
INCREASE BY 2050.
HASÊ CAN YOU TELL US WHATÊ >> >>JACK SHU: THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, WHAT
WERE THEY THINKING OF, WHAT WERE THE MAYORS AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THINKING OF WHEN
THEY APPROVED THIS PLAN OVER A YEAR AGO.
>> >>PEGGY: WHAT DID THEY SAY IN COURT?
>> >>JACK SHU: THEY SAID IT DID MEET THE GOALS FOR 2020, 2035, YOU KNOW, AND ACTUALLY SADLY,
IT MEETS THOSE GOALS IN THEIR MODELING BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A RECESSION, BECAUSE WE
HAVE CARSÊ ESSENTIALLY DID NOT DEVELOP TRANSPORTATION FOR GLOBAL WARMING OR CLIMATE CHANGE ISSUES.
THEY ESSENTIALLY SAID WE'RE GOING TO KEEP ON DOING WHAT WE HAVE BEEN.
>> >>PEGGY: EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO SANDAG AND THEY DID DECLINE TO BE ON THE PROGRAM, BUT THEY DID
ISSUE A STATEMENT THAT SAYS IN PART: HOW WERE
ALL OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS ABLE TO APPROVE THIS PLAN WHY IT DIDN'T MEET EMISSION REQUIREMENTS?
>> >>JACK SHU: THEY MET CERTAIN PARTS OF THE LAWS THAT THEY CONTROL.
OVERALL, THE MAIN ISSUE HERE IS OUR LEADERS, OUR COMMUNITIES, NEED TO KNOW WHAT THIS PLAN
IS ABOUT.
AND WHAT IT WILL DO FOR SAN DIEGO.
AND THEY FAILED TO MEET THOSE ISSUES IT.
AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
>> >>PEGGY: PART OF IT WAS THAT THEY'RE REALLY STRONG ON NORTH COUNTY FREEWAYS, NOT SO STRONG
ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
YOU CONTRIBUTED SOME IDEAS TO THE SANDAG PLAN.
WHAT WERE THEY AND DID THEY INCORPORATE ANY OF THEM?
>> >>JACK SHU: WELL, FOR YEARSÊ THIS IS NOTHING NEW FOR SANDAG.
FOR THE PAST 7 YEARS, WE'VE BEEN THERE AT HEARINGS, PROVIDING WRITTEN TESTIMONY SAYING
YOUR PLAN DOES NOT MEET STATE LAW, AND WORSE THAN THAT IT IS NOT THE BEST THING FOR SAN
DIEGANS.
WE CAN PROVIDE A BETTER ECONOMY IF WE MOVE TOWARDS TRANSIT.
>> >>PEGGY: HOW WOULD YOU CHANGE THIS PLAN TO MAKE IT ACCEPTABLE?
>> >>JACK SHU: WELL, IN FACT, WE HAVE A PROPOSAL CALLED THE 5010 PLANÊ
>> >>PEGGY: FIFTYÊ >> >>JACK SHU: 5010 PLAN WE ACTUALLY BORROWED
THE NAME FROM LOS ANGELES WHICH WAS 3010.
LET'S BUILD WHAT SANDAG'S ALREADY PLANNING TO DO FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS, BUT DO IT IN
THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
LET'S ACCELERATE.
WE CAN FIND THAT PLAN ATÊ >> >>PEGGY: WHY WOULD ACCELERATING BUILDING
FREEWAYS HELP REDUCE GAS EMISSIONS.
HOW WOULD ACCELERATING SOMETHINGÊ >> >>JACK SHU: NO, I'M SORRY, LET'S ACCELERATE
WHAT SANDAG IS PLANNING FOR TRANSIT DEVELOPMENT.
WITHIN THE URBAN CORE AS WELL AS THE COASTAL AND SPRINTER AND OTHER OUTLETS.
MAKE THAT SYSTEM WORK, ACCELERATE THAT PORTION OF THEIR PLAN.
>> >>PEGGY: RIGHT, START WITH THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND MOVE ON FROM THERE.
SANDAG WILLÊ THE BOARD WILL MEET TOMORROW TO DISCUSS THIS RULING.
SO I WILL BE FOLLOWING UP WITH YOU AND THEN ABSOLUTELY ON THAT.
JACK SHU, THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THIS TO ALL US.
>> >>JACK SHU: THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE.