JONATHAN LEMIRE, WHY DON’T YOU POP INTO A STUDIO AND WE WILL
HAVE YOU ON NEXT HOUR INSIDE.
THANKS VERY MUCH.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, YOU
KNOW, IT’S VERY INTERESTING THAT
HE HAS BEEN -- WILLIE, DONALD
TRUMP HAS BEEN PETRIFIED OF JOE
BIDEN.
BIDEN. WE SAW LAST NIGHT WHY.
>> OBSESSED.
>> OBSESSED. >> A COMBINATION OF SUBURBAN
VOTERS, A MASSIVE SUBURBAN VOTER
TURNOUT.
TURNOUT. WE KNOW SO MUCH OF THAT IS
DRIVEN BY ANTI-TRUMP SENTIMENT,
ALSO THE HIGH NUMBER OF BLACK
VOTERS.
VOTERS. AS ROBERT SAID IT LOOKS LIKE JOE
BIDEN MAY BE STARTING TO PIECE
TOGETHER THAT UNBEATABLE OBAMA
COALITION AGAIN.
COALITION AGAIN. THAT’S THE LAST THING DONALD
TRUMP WANTS TO GO UP AGAINST.
BUT AS FAR AS MIKE BLOOMBERG
GOES, LET’S TALK ABOUT MIKE
BLOOMBERG FOR A SECOND.
MIKE BLOOMBERG HAD TOLD
EVERYBODY THAT HE WASN’T GOING
TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT THIS YEAR.
WHEN JOE BIDEN STARTED SLIPPING
AND IT LOOKED LIKE ELIZABETH
WARREN AND BERNIE SANDERS WERE
GOING TO BE THE DEMOCRATS, PLUME
BERG TOLD ALL OF HIS FRIENDS,
ALL OF HIS ASSOCIATES THAT
DONALD TRUMP HAD TO BE BEATEN.
SO HE JUMPED INTO THE RACE LATE
AND, YOU KNOW, LAST NIGHT,
WILLIE, WHAT BLOOMBERG’S TEAM
SAID WAS THE SAME THING, MIKE
BLOOMBERG’S GOAL FROM THE
BEGINNING HAS BEEN TO MAKE SURE
THAT DONALD TRUMP IS NOT
REELECTED AND THAT’S EXACTLY
WHAT HE’S GOING TO DO.
THOSE ARE OMINOUS WORDS FOR
DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE THIS IS A
MAN WHO I SUSPECT WILL GET OUT
OF THE RACE, PERHAPS TODAY OR
TOMORROW, AND HE WILL SPEND HIS
MONEY INSTEAD OF ON, YOU KNOW,
500 FOOT YACHTS, INSTEAD OF ON
MANSIONS AND PALACES ACROSS THE
WORLD, HE’S GOING TO SPEND HIS
MONEY TRYING TO BEAT DONALD
TRUMP AND THAT’S SOMETHING THAT
SCARES THE HELL OUT OF DONALD.
>> PEOPLE AROUND THE BLOOMBERG
CAMPAIGN CALL MIKE BLOOMBERG A
RATIONAL ACTOR AND BY THAT THEY
MEAN IF HE WAKES UP THE DAY
AFTER SUPER TUESDAY AND HERE WE
ARE NOW WITH NO CHANCE TO WIN
THE NOMINATION, HE’S NOT GOING
TO CONTINUE AS A CANDIDATE, BUT
AS YOU SAY, HE WILL CONTINUE
WITH HIS MONEY, SET UP A SUPER
PAC, THIRD PARTY GROUPS, GUN
GROUPS, WHATEVER HE NEEDS TO DO
TO TAKE DOWN DONALD TRUMP.
YOU HAVE A NOMINEE EITHER JOE
BIDEN OR BERNIE SANDERS AND MIKE
BLOOMBERG SORT OF RUNNING A
PARALLEL CAMPAIGN TO HELP THEM
AND TO GO AFTER DONALD TRUMP.
AS YOU SAY, WE MAY SEE THAT
TODAY EVEN FROM MICHAEL
BLOOMBERG.
BLOOMBERG. STEVE IS BACK WITH ME AT THE
BOARD HERE.
BOARD HERE. STEVE, LET’S LOOK AT BERNIE
SANDERS’ FUTURE HERE.
WE TALKED ABOUT JOE BIDEN’S
FUTURE.
FUTURE. STATE OF MINNESOTA COULD BE
SOMETHING LIKE A CAN A NARY IN A
COAL MINE FOR BERNIE AS HE LOOKS
AHEAD TO STATES LIKE WASHINGTON
WHO SWITCHED FROM CAUCUSES TO
PRIMARY.
PRIMARY. >> I THINK THAT SOUNDS LIKE A
TECHNICAL THING I THINK THAT’S
ACTUALLY A REALLY BIG DEAL.
WITH BIDEN TAKING A DELEGATE
LEAD HERE, WE WENT THROUGH THE
MATH, THERE ARE STATES WHERE IT
LOOKS LIKE BIDEN WILL GET BIG
DELEGATE MARGINS, IF YOU’RE
SANDERS YOU HAVE TO FIND STATES
WHERE YOU CAN MATCH THEM.
IF BIDEN GETS A BIG WIN IN
GEORGIA YOU HAVE TO FIND A STATE
WHERE YOU CAN GET A BIG WIN.
MINNESOTA IS THE KIND OF STATE
HIS CAMPAIGN PRIOR TO YESTERDAY
WAS POINTING TO.
IN 2016 IN THE CAUCUSES IN
MINNESOTA SANDERS GOT 62% IN
MINNESOTA.
MINNESOTA. BIG MARGIN, PRETTY BIG STATE.
YESTERDAY, THOUGH, SANDERS
SITTING AT 30.
MINNESOTA SWITCHED FROM A CAUCUS
TO A PRIMARY.
PARTICIPATION, LOOK AT THAT,
WELL OVER HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
OF PEOPLE THERE.
THIS DWARFS ANYTHING YOU’RE
GOING TO SEE IN A CAUCUS.
ALL OF A SUDDEN BIDEN IS WINNING
THIS THING ALMOST TEN POINTS.
TAKE US TO NEXT WEEK.
NEXT WEEK MISSISSIPPI, FOR
INSTANCE, SETTING UP SO WELL FOR
BIDEN.
BIDEN. THE SANDERS CAMPAIGN IS SAYING
TAKE A LOOK OUT AT WASHINGTON
STATE.
STATE. WASHINGTON STATE WAS A BIG
SANDERS STATE IN 2016.
WASHINGTON STATE WAS ALSO A
CAUCUS STATE AND IF MINNESOTA
TELLS YOU SOMETHING, IF IT’S A
HARBINGER AT ALL IT’S BIG WINS
IN BIG CAUCUS STATES FOR SANDERS
MAY NOT TRANSLATE INTO BIG WINS
IN BIG PRIMARY STATES.
IF HE CAN’T FIND BIG WINS IN BIG
PRIMARY STATES THAT MAKES THE
ADVANTAGE THAT BIDEN IS
ESTABLISHING ESPECIALLY IN THIS
NECK OF THE WOODS, ESPECIALLY IN
THIS NECK OF THE WOODS, YOU HAVE
TO FIND SOMETHING NEW, YOU HAVE
TO FIND VOTERS YOUAVEN’T
ATTRACTED IN FOUR YEARS.
>> THERE WAS SO MUCH TALK AFTER
NEW HAMPSHIRE, STEVE, AND YOU
HEARD IT, TOO, WILL WE WAKE UP
THE MORNING AFTER SUPER TUESDAY
AND SEE BERNIE SANDERS WITH AN
INSURMOUNTABLE LEAD BASED ON
WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN IN
TEXAS AND CALIFORNIA.
LET ME PUT IT TO YOU ANOTHER
WAY, I WON’T ASK YOUR OPINION,
BUT BASED ON THE DATA IS IT
GOING TO BE TOUGH NOW TO CATCH
BERNIE SANDERS.
BERNIE SANDERS. >> CATCH JOE BIDEN.
>> CATCH JOE BIDEN.
>> IT’S TOUGH WITH THE COALITION
THAT CLEARLY ESTABLISHED FOR
BERNIE SANDERS.
BERNIE SANDERS. I MEAN, I WOULD PUT IT THIS WAY,
WHEN SANDERS WON NEVADA TWO
WEEKS AGO, I CAN’T EVEN COUNT
THE DAYS ANYMORE, I THINK WHAT
THE EXPECTATION WAS AT THAT
POINT WAS THAT THERE WOULD BE A
BANDWAGON EFFECT AND GROUPS OF
VOTERS WHO SANDERS HAD STRUGGLED
WITH WOULD SLOWLY START TO GET
ON BOARD, HE WOULD WIN SOME
MORE, THEY WOULD GET ON BOARD
SOME MORE, A PATTERN WE HAVE
SEEN A LOT IN THE PAST.
SOUTH CAROLINA PUT AN ABRUPT AND
IMMEDIATE HALT TO THAT.
IF YOU LOOKED AT SANDERS’ BLACK
SUPPORT IN SOUTH CAROLINA HIS
NUMBER LIKED BASICALLY IDENTICAL
TO FOUR YEARS AGO.
HIS CAMPAIGN SAID AT THE END OF
2016 THEY RECOGNIZED IT GETTING
BLOWN OUT AMONG BLACK VOTERS IN
2016 IS THE REASON HE FELL 3
MILLION VOTES BEHIND HILLARY
CLINTON NATIONALLY.
CLINTON NATIONALLY. THEY SPENT FOUR YEARS TRYING TO
ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM, TRYING TO
MAKE SOUTH CAROLINA NOT THE
DISASTER IT WAS IN 2016.
IT WAS EVERY BIT THE DISASTER IN
2020 FOR SANDERS AS IT WAS IN
2016.
2016. THE ENTIRE SOUTHEAST LAST NIGHT
WAS EVERY BIT THE DISASTER FOR
HIM IT WAS IN 2016.
HE HAS A BIG PROBLEM WITH OLDER
VOTERS, 45 PLUS, ESPECIALLY 60
PLUS, IT WAS THERE IN ’16, YOU
SEE IT IN EVERY STATE WE ARE
LOOKING AT LAST NIGHT.
YOU SEE THE SAME PROBLEMS.
YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP UNLESS THAT
CHANGES, UNLESS ALL OF A SUDDEN
BERNIE SANDERS IS GETTING 30, 40
PERCENT MORE, 40, 50 PERCENT OF
THE BLACK VOTE, UNLESS SUDDENLY
AFTER FOUR YEARS HE’S MAKING
INROADS IN OLDER VOTERS THE
DEMOGRAPHIC PATTERNS THAT SEEM
SET IN HERE GIVEN THE BIDEN
DELEGATE ADVANTAGE IT GETS TOUGH
TO FIND.
TO FIND. >> JOE, BERNIE SANDERS NEEDED TO
EXPAND HIS BASE FROM 2016
OBVIOUSLY AND LAST NIGHT HE LOST
THE BLACK VOTE BY 40 TO 50
POINTS IN SOME OF THOSE SOUTHERN
STATES.
STATES. >> AND HE WORKED HARD OVER THE
PAST FOUR YEARS TRYING TO DO
THAT.
THAT. IT JUST DIDN’T HAPPEN LAST
NIGHT.
NIGHT. MIKE, WILLIE WAS TALKING ABOUT
NEW HAMPSHIRE AND LET’S TALK
ABOUT THIS ON A PERSONAL LEVEL.
YOU’VE KNOWN JOE BIDEN FOR A
VERY LONG TIME, I’VE KNOWN HIM
FOR QUITE SOME TIME AS WELL AND
ANYTIME WE ARE TOGETHER, LET’S
JUST SAY THERE IS NEVER ANY
SILENCE.
SILENCE. TALKING, LAUGHING, JOKING, BUT
WHEN HE CAME ON SET IN NEW
HAMPSHIRE THE MORNING OF THE
PRIMARY, WHEN HIS POLITICAL
OBITUARIES WERE ALREADY BEING
WRITTEN, IT WAS STRIKING THAT
FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU HAD
KNOWN HIM AND I HAD KNOWN HIM,
WE EXCHANGED A FEW PLEASANTRIES
AND THEN HE JUST SAT DOWN AND WE
SAID NOTHING BECAUSE WHAT DO YOU
SAY AT A MAN’S POLITICAL WAKE?
AND THAT WAS, AFTER ALL, WHAT
PEOPLE WERE CALLING NEW
HAMPSHIRE.
HAMPSHIRE. AND HERE WE FIND OURSELVES YOU
SEE BIDEN LAST NIGHT, WE FIND
OURSELVES WITH ONE MORE EXAMPLE
OF JOE BIDEN GETTING KNOCKED
DOWN, PULLING HIMSELF BACK UP TO
HIS FEET AND FIGHTING BACK LIKE
HELL.
HELL. IT’S AN EXTRAORDINARY TRAIT NOT
JUST POLITICALLY, BUT PERSONALLY
AND THIS MAN HAS DONE IT MORE IN
HIS LIFETIME THAN ANY OTHER
POLITICIAN I HAVE EVER KNOWN.
>> WELL, JOE, I MEAN, YOU JUST
SUMMED UP HIS LIFE IN JUST THAT
BRIEF ANALYSIS OF NEW HAMPSHIRE
AND HIS MOOD THAT DAY AND THE
REACTION TO HIS CANDIDACY BACK
THEN IN NEW HAMPSHIRE.
YES, INDEED, PEOPLE WERE WRITING
HIM OFF.
HIM OFF. BUT JOE IS JOE.
HE DOES GET UP OFF THE MAT.
HE HAS DONE IT REPEATEDLY
THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE.
AGAIN, HARKENING BACK TO SOUTH
CAROLINA, I THINK ONE OF THE BIG
THINGS THAT PEOPLE SAW WHO WERE
ON THE FENCE ABOUT JOE GIVEN HIS
LOSSES IN IOWA AND IN NEW
HAMPSHIRE WAS THE FIRST THING
THEY SAW QUITE VISIBLY, QUITE
EMOTIONALLY ON TELEVISION, WHICH
IS LIKE A NATIONAL MRI, THEY SAW
HUMANITY AND IT’S BEEN MISSING
IN THE OVAL OFFICE SINCE JANUARY
20th, 2017, AND THEY SAW EMPATHY
AND THEY SAW A PERSON THAT THEY
REMEMBERED THAT THEY LIKED AND
BELIEVED IN AND THAT’S THE
PERSON THEY SAW LAST NIGHT AND I
THINK ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHAT
HAPPENED YESTERDAY, JOE, YOU
KNOW THIS BETTER THAN ANYBODY,
YOU’VE BEEN ON THE BALLOT,
POLITICS IS A PEOPLE BUSINESS AT
ITS ROOT AND I THINK YOU SAW
HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
COMING OUT COAST TO COAST,
DEMOCRATS, AND ONE THING RULED
ABOVE ALL, THEY ARE NOT WILLING
TO ROLL THE DICE ON THE FUTURE
OF THIS COUNTRY BY WASTING A
VOTE.
VOTE. >> THAT’S RIGHT.
>> THEY WANT TO WIN.
THEY WANT SOMEONE WHO CAN BEAT
DONALD TRUMP AND I THINK MANY OF
THEM FEEL STRONGLY NOW THAT IN
JOE BIDEN THEY HAVE THAT
CANDIDATE.
CANDIDATE. >> AND WHEN PEOPLE GO AND THEY
VOTE, MIKA, THEY DON’T
CALCULATE.
CALCULATE. MOST VOTERS THAT I MET OVER MY
FOUR CAMPAIGNS FOR CONGRESS,
THEY DON’T -- THEY DON’T
CALCULATE, THEY DON’T GO IN
THERE AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT IF I
VOTE FOR CANDIDATE A HOW WILL
THAT IMPACT CANDIDATE B?
THEY GO IN AND IT’S A GUT
INSTINCT.
INSTINCT. THEY GO WITH THEIR GUT WHO
UNDERSTANDS ME AND WHO DO I
UNDERSTAND?
UNDERSTAND? WHO IS GOING TO FIGHT FOR ME?
THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT, AGAIN,
HE DIDN’T HAVE MONEY, HE DIDN’T
HAVE ORGANIZATION, HE DIDN’T
HAVE MUCH ON HIS SIDE AT ALL,
BUT HE HAD THAT ON HIS SIDE AND
LAST NIGHT IT MADE ALL THE
DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD.
>> MANY GOOD CANDIDATES TO
CHOOSE FROM AND YOU CAN’T
ACTUALLY GET INTO THE MINDS OF
VOTERS, BUT FOR MANY I REALLY
BELIEVE IT JUST FELT LIKE THE
RIGHT THING TO DO RIGHT NOW.
>>> STILL TO COME, WITH ALL THE
TALK OF MONEY BEING THE
DIFFERENCE MAKER IN POLITICS, WE
WILL LOOK AT HOW MUCH MIKE
BLOOMBERG SPENT ON SUPER TUESDAY
COMPARED WITH BIDEN’S RETURN ON
INVESTMENT.
INVESTMENT. >>> PLUS THE LATEST ON THE
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