>>THE U.K.
SUFFERED ITS THIRD TERROR ATTACK OF 2017 THIS
WEEKEND TRAGICALLY, THIS TIME THREE ATTACKERS TARGETED
CIVILIANS IN THE AREA IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THE
LONDON BRIDGE.
AS OF TODAY SEVEN HAVE ALREADY DIED, AND NEARLY 50
OR WOUNDED.
I BELIEVE THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE IN CRITICAL
CONDITION RIGHT NOW IN LONDON AREA HOSPITALS.
WE HAVE A
GRAPHICALLY WILL SHOW YOU, THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT'S
BEEN RELEASED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED -- EFFECTIVELY THAT
USED A VAN AS A WEAPON INITIALLY ON THE LONDON BRIDGE BEFORE
GETTING OFF ON FOOT AND ATTACKING PEOPLE IN A CROWDED
MARKET AREA, AN AREA RIFE WITH BARS AND RESTAURANTS AND THAT
SORT OF THING.
A CIVILIAN-HEAVY AREA.
HOWEVER MANY EMERGENCY
CALLS WERE PUT IN, I BELIEVE OVER 100 IN THE FIRST MOMENT OR
TWO OF THE ATTACK, AND WITHIN THE FIRST EIGHT MINUTES AFTER
THAT CALL THE THREE ATTACKERS WERE SHOT DEAD.
MORE INFORMATION
IS COMING OUT ABOUT THE ATTACKERS, WE WILL TALK ABOUT
THAT INCLUDING THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME
NARRATIVES AT STAKE HERE I SUPPOSE -- IT TURNS OUT EXACTLY
WHO THEY ARE I DON'T CARE, THEY ARE ASSHOLES WHO GOT WHAT THEY
DESERVED FOR TERRIBLE ATTACK, AND ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT
THE MANCHESTER ATTACK JUST HAPPENED, BUT EVEN THAT WASN'T
THE FIRST ATTACK IN THE U.K., THAT'S VERY ROUGH.
AND THE
PEOPLE OF LONDON ARE SHOWING INCREDIBLE RESILIENCE,
DURABILITY, AND THAT'S A ROUGH
SITUATION TO BE IN, TO KNOW THAT
THIS SORT OF THING IS HAPPENING WITH MORE REGULARITY.
>>IT SEEMS TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO PUT
DOWN ROOTS A WHILE AGO, GOING BACK TO WHEN THE UNITED KINGDOM
BACKED GEORGE W. BUSH, THERE'S A HISTORY OF WHY THEY DID IT, WHY
7/7 HAPPENED AND WHY PEOPLE WERE OUTRAGED THAT THERE WAS SUPPORT
FROM TONY BLAIR FOR GEORGE W. BUSH, THAT HASN'T SEEMED TO
DISSIPATE.
AND THE WAY THEY'VE TREATED THAT COMMUNITY MANY
PEOPLE SAY IS NOT RIGHT IN THE UNITED KINGDOM, I DON'T KNOW
WELL ENOUGH TO SAY IF THAT'S TRUE OR NOT, BUT IT CERTAINLY
HAS BEEN A FLASHPOINT, A FOCAL LOCATION FOR THESE PEOPLE TO DO
THESE THINGS.
THE PROBLEM WITH THIS STUFF IS YOU DON'T KNOW THE
VICTORIES.
IT'S LIKE ANYTHING IN INTELLIGENCE, YOU DON'T KNOW
WHAT'S GOING WELL, YOU JUST KNOW WHEN IT WENT POORLY.
AND THIS
SEEMED LIKE SUCH A HAPHAZARD -- WHEN WE LOOK AT ALL OF THEM,
NONE OF THEM ARE TERRIBLY PROFESSIONAL, BUT THEY ALL DO
TERRIBLE THINGS AND HAVE TERRIBLE RESULTS --
BUT THIS SEEMED MORE HAPHAZARD, EVEN.
>>ANYTIME A SITUATION LIKE THIS COMES UP, THE QUESTION OF
BALANCING CIVIL LIBERTIES WITH NATIONAL SECURITY IS A TOPIC
THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED.
ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT
BRITAIN IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE UNITED STATES -- IN THEORY
IT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE UNITED STATES WHEN IT COMES TO
CERTAIN PRIVACY ISSUES.
SO THE GOVERNMENT THERE IS VERY OPEN
AND HONEST ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE COLLECTED DATA ON EVERYONE,
THERE ARE CAMERAS EVERYWHERE FILMING EVERY SINGLE MOVE THAT
EVERY PERSON MAKES IN THE PUBLIC, AND SO RIGHT NOW WHAT I
THINK --
>>THEY ALSO CALL SWEATERS JUMPERS.
>>THEY DO.
JUMPER IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING HERE
IN THE U.S. BUT I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS, I KNOW IT'S
DIFFICULT, IS TO AVOID ALL THE DIFFERENT PLAYERS TRYING TO
EXPLOIT THIS TRAGEDY FOR POLITICAL REASONS AND START TO
THINK ABOUT REAL SOLUTIONS, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT
KEEPS HAPPENING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
THERE WAS THE BOMB IN
MANCHESTER TWO WEEKS AGO, AND OBVIOUSLY WHAT WORLD LEADERS ARE
DOING RIGHT NOW ISN'T WORKING.
AND IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS -- BEING LESS POLITICALLY CORRECT ISN'T
GOING TO MIRACULOUSLY STOP ISIS AND ALL OF THESE TERRIBLE PEOPLE
FROM DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
WE NEED REAL SOLUTIONS.
AND
UNFORTUNATELY ALL OF THIS DATA THAT OFFICIALS HAVE AND ALL THE
SPYING OFFICIALS DO, IT'S STILL NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM.
SO WHAT
MORE CAN WE DO?
ALSO, ONE QUICK POINT ON THAT, AUTHORITIES HAVE
RELEASED THE IDENTITIES OF TWO OF THE ASSAILANTS, ALL THREE OF
THEM HAVE BEEN KILLED -- I'M NOT GOING TO NAME THE PERSON BUT
THERE IS ONE OF THEM WHO IS 27 YEARS OLD, HE WAS A BRITISH
CITIZEN WHO WAS ORIGINALLY BORN IN PAKISTAN, BUT HE WAS ON
EVERYONE'S RADAR.
IN FACT HE WAS ON AN EPISODE OF JIHADIS NEXT
DOOR --
>>WHICH EPISODE WAS THAT?
>>IT TALKS ABOUT EXTREMISTS, SOME OF THEIR IDEOLOGY, AND
IT'S AMAZING BECAUSE OFFICIALS HAD BEEN INVESTIGATING HIM,
AND THEN THEY JUST DROPPED THE INVESTIGATION.
>>YOU CAN BELIEVE THAT A PERSON BELIEVES RADICAL THINGS, YOU
STILL NEED -- YOU CAN'T SIMPLY JUST LOCK UP EVERYONE, OF
COURSE.
THERE WILL ALWAYS BE TONS OF PEOPLE WHO THEORETICALLY
COULD COMMIT AN ATTACK.
>>I'M NOT SAYING YOU LOCK THEM UP WITHOUT EVIDENCE --
>>I'M NOT SAYING YOU ARE, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S TOUGH.
EVEN IF YOU HAVE REASON TO BE SUSPICIOUS.
>>I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DECIDED TO DROP THE INVESTIGATION.
INSTEAD OF COLLECTING ALL THIS DATA ON ALL THESE INNOCENT
PEOPLE, I FEEL LIKE THE RESOURCES SHOULD BE FOCUSED MORE
ON INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU KNOW ARE EXTREMISTS.
AND OF COURSE DON'T
PUT THEM IN PRISON RIGHT AWAY WITHOUT CONVICTING THEM OF
ANYTHING, BUT KEEP YOUR EYE ON THEM.
RIGHT NOW BRITISH
OFFICIALS HAVE AT LEAST 500 DIFFERENT CASES OPEN IN REGARD
TO EXTREMISTS AND POSSIBLE TERROR PLOTS.
>>THAT SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT -- TO GO BACK TO WHAT I WAS
SAYING EARLIER -- TALKING ABOUT WHATEVER THEY ARE DOING ISN'T
WORKING.
ACTUALLY IT MIGHT BE, THEY MIGHT BE 99% EFFECTIVE, AND
THEN SOMEONE LIKE THIS IS THROUGH.
WHEN THEY SLIP THROUGH
AND IT DOESN'T WORK, IT'S SO TRAGIC, SO AWFUL, BUT IT MIGHT
ALSO JUST BE THAT THIS IS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL ANTITERRORIST
GROUP, BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW.
YOU HEAR 500 PEOPLE, THAT MEANS 500 GOT THROUGH.
>>500 CASES THAT INVOLVE MANY PEOPLE --
>>500 INDIVIDUAL CASES THAT AREN'T COMING TO FRUITION AND
ONE DID, SIX PEOPLE, SEVEN PEOPLE DIED -- IT MAY JUST BE --
>>THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE TWO WEEKS AGO.
>>THEY MIGHT BE UNBELIEVABLY EFFECTIVE, IT SOUNDED HORRIBLE
TO SAY, WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING WELL.
THAT MAKES IT
EVEN MORE COMPLEX BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE POLITICS COME INTO IT
AND PEOPLE START USING IT AND GRANDSTANDING AND ALL THAT.
THEY CAN'T EVEN SAY, AND THAT'S A HUGE FRUSTRATION.
>>LIKE YOU SAID, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HEAR ABOUT THE
VICTORIES.
WE HEAR ABOUT SOME OF THEM, I THINK HERE AT TYT WE TRY
TO SPOTLIGHT WHEN THEY SUCCESSFULLY SHUTDOWN THESE
CELLS, NOT JUST IN THE U.K., THAT HAPPENS IN THE U.S. WE HAD
THAT BIG NINE STATE NETWORK OF WHITE SUPREMACISTS WHO WANTED TO
START A RACE WAR BY BURNING DOWN A BUNCH OF CHURCHES, THAT WAS
SHUT DOWN.
IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
BUT THERE IS THE OTHER LAYER OF VICTORIES THAT WE WON'T
EVER HEAR ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S INCREDIBLY SENSITIVE, THEY
NEED TO MAINTAIN BLAH BLAH SOURCES, ALL THAT.
>>THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PROVIDING THE INFO, AND THE GATHERING
OF THOSE SOURCES IS DANGEROUS AS WELL.
>>WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE SECURITY AND PRIVACY OF THOSE
UNTIL TRUMP TWEETS ABOUT THEM.
BUT IF THEY ARE COLLECTING
NUCLEAR MATERIAL TO MAKE A DIRTY BOMB, YOU REALLY HOPE
INTELLIGENCE -- IT SEEMS LIKE THAT IS SOMETHING YOU SHOULD BE
ABLE TO STOP.
BUT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO GET IN THEIR CAR AND
RUN OFF THE ROAD INTO A CROWD OF PEOPLE IN A CITY OF MILLIONS
UPON MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, YOU CAN HAVE THE MOST EFFECTIVE
CRIME-FIGHTING ORGANIZATION IN THE WORLD AND I DON'T THINK YOU
WILL EVER BE ABLE TO STOP ALL OF THOSE.
THAT IS A TRAGEDY AND YOU
AREN'T SUPPOSED TO SAY THAT, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO SAY WE WILL KEEP
EVERYONE SAFE IN ALL CASES -- BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S
ACTUALLY TRUE.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACHIEVABLE.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT PARTICULAR CASES.
>>COUNTERTERRORISM IN MY OPINION HAS TO DO WITH SO MANY FACTORS,
NOT JUST SURVEILLANCE, NOT JUST INTELLIGENCE GATHERING -- IT'S
ALSO FOREIGN POLICY DECISIONS BEING MADE, THE TYPE OF RHETORIC
BEING USED BY GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS.
UNDERSTAND WHEN I SAY
RHETORIC NOT SAYING EVERY POLITICIAN SHOULD GO OUT IN
PUBLIC AND TALK ABOUT HOW AMAZING THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE
ARE, OF COURSE NOT.
HOWEVER I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT YOU MAKE IT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR FOR TERRORIST
ORGANIZATION LIKE ISIS TO RECRUIT PEOPLE.
IT'S VERY EASY
TO RECRUIT PEOPLE WHEN WESTERN GOVERNMENTS ARE KILLING INNOCENT
CIVILIANS AND MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRIES.
AND THINK ABOUT IN
YOUR CONTEXT, AND FOR ONE SECOND, EVEN IF YOU ARE THE MOST
EXTREME WHEN IT COMES TO THIS ISSUE, PUT YOURSELF IN ANYONE'S
POSITION, PUT YOURSELF IN THESE PEOPLE'S POSITIONS, WHERE YOU
LIVE IN A MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRY AND A DRONE STRIKE WIPES OUT
YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY.
HOW EASY WOULD IT BE FOR YOU TO WANT
VENGEANCE AND TO JOIN A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION THAT ALSO
WANT VENGEANCE AGAINST WESTERN COUNTRIES?
I'M JUST SAYING THAT
AS PART OF A COMPREHENSIVE COUNTERTERRORISM STRATEGY THAT I
THINK NEEDS TO BE IMPLEMENTED, AND UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE MISSING
THE MARK BECAUSE WE ALLOW OUR EMOTIONS TO GET IN THE WAY.
>>THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, I'M SAYING IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE
DOING ALL THAT STUFF, RUNNING AROUND THE WORLD AND STOKING THE
FLAMES OF EXTREMISM, CAN'T EXPECT REGARDLESS OF HOW
MUCH INFORMATION YOU GET OR HOW MANY COPS ON THE STREETS,
YOU CAN'T STOP ALL THE ATTACKS.
>>BUT IF YOU STOPPED DOING THAT ENTIRELY, WHICH ISN'T GOING TO
HAPPEN, I THINK THIS IS A GENERATIONAL THING TOO.
THESE
ARE YOUNG MEN WHO CAME OF AGE IN AN AGE WHERE COUNTRIES WERE
BEING WIPED UP BY WAR --
>>AND THAT'S ALL THEY'VE KNOWN.
>>IT IS.
AND THERE IS NOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF EDUCATION,
WHERE THERE IS EDUCATION IS EDUCATION AND IN MANY WAYS
COMING FROM PEOPLE PREACHING EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR.
I THINK IT'S A GENERATIONAL THING, I THINK IT WAS JUST LIKE
THE IRISH REPUBLICAN ARMY, I THINK IT'S JUST LIKE IT WAS IN
SOUTH AMERICA, AND ITALY EVEN.
THERE ARE GENERATIONS WHERE THIS
HAPPENS AND PEOPLE COME UP -- ISRAEL AND PALESTINE ARE
SIMILAR.
THIS SOUNDS TERRIBLE BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYTHING
IS EFFECTIVE.
I DON'T THINK RHETORIC, I DON'T THINK CHANGING
PRACTICES --
>>WHAT DOES EFFECTIVE MEAN?
CUTTING DOWN SOME PERCENTAGE?
>>CERTAINLY, BUT I DON'T THINK RHETORIC WILL CHANGE ANY MINDS.
>>YOU KNOW WHAT'S NOT TO CHANGE ANYTHING?
THE SHIT WE'VE BEEN
DOING SO FAR.
>>IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE DESIRE.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS I
DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE DOING A TERRIBLE JOB, AND IT SOUNDS
HORRIBLE BECAUSE THE THIS KEEPS HAPPENING -- I DON'T KNOW THAT
THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF FIGHTING THIS ARE DOING A TERRIBLE JOB.
>>YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT INVESTIGATORS, POLICE, FBI.
>>RIGHT, AND THE POLICIES THAT SUPPORT THEM AS WELL,
INTELLIGENCE SHARING AMONG NATIONS.
>>YOU ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT MILITARIES ABROAD.
>>OF COURSE NOT, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING.
NOT AT ALL.
AND
MILITARIES ABROAD, WE'VE GOTTEN USED TO BEING A NATION THAT HAS
MILITARY ABROAD EVERYWHERE, AND THAT WAS A POSTWAR THING, IT'S
PROBABLY TIME TO REVISIT THAT.
THAT'S NOT EVEN SO EASILY DONE
BECAUSE A LOT OF COUNTRIES WANT US, AND IT EMPLOYS A LOT OF
PEOPLE.
>>IT EMPLOYS A LOT OF PEOPLE, THAT'S A HUGE PART OF IT.
>>WE SAW THAT IN THE RECENT TRIP TO SAUDI ARABIA.
>>A LOT OF COUNTRIES WANT THAT AS WELL.
AND EMPLOYING A LOT OF
PEOPLE IS IMPORTANT AS WELL.
I'M NOT TALKING EMPLOYING THE
INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE WEAPONS, I'M TALKING
ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, IT'S A HUGE EMPLOYER IN OUR
COUNTRY FOR BETTER OR WORSE THAN
>>I THINK THAT'S INCREDIBLY PROBLEMATIC.
THAT'S THE MAIN
REASON WHY WE KEEP PUSHING FOR FOREIGN POLICY THAT FAILS TIME
AND AGAIN.
WHEN I SAY FAILS TIME AND AGAIN, I MEAN AMPLIFYING
WARS IN COUNTRIES THAT LEAD TO MORE HOSTILITY TOWARDS THE
UNITED STATES, MORE HOSTILITY TOWARD THE WESTERN WORLD --
AND BY THE WAY I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE DEEPLY
ON THIS ISSUE, BUT IF I'M WRONG PLEASE GIVE ME A SOLUTION,
PLEASE PROVIDE A SOLUTION OTHER THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING
SO FAR.
>>CLAY HIGGINS HAS A SOLUTION LATER ON.
CLASS WE WILL GET TO THAT.
>>IT'S A DEFENSE DEPARTMENT, NOT AN OFFENSE DEPARTMENT.
IF PEOPLE THINK OF IT THAT WAY, IT WOULD BE BETTER.