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HEY, EVERYBODY, IT'S ANDERSON COOPER.
YOU HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT FULL-TIME JOB.
THAT IS DAD. >> YES.
>> Stephen: HERE YOU ARE WITH YOUR SON WYATT, TWO YEARS OLD.
>> YEAH. HE JUST-- HE LEARNED THE
THUMBS-UP. >> Stephen: HERE'S THE
NEWCOMER IN THE HOUSE. >> THAT'S SEBASTIAN.
SHE'S VERY SKEPTICAL. >> Stephen: SEVEN MONTHS.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST TIME YOU WERE ON HERE HOW WYATT HAS
TAKEN TO SEBASTIAN. IS THAT STILL HOLDING?
I WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT >> IT'S GREAT. THAT.
I HAD THIS WHOLE THING WHERE I GOT ATTACKED BECAUSE I SORT OF
INTIMATED TO YOU THAT WYATT AND I WERE KIND OF MOCKING SEBASTIAN
WHEN HE CRIED-- YOU. >> Stephen: WERE ATTACKED BY
VIEWERS. >> PEOPLE IN GENERAL.
>> Stephen: OH, PEOPLE. >> PARENTS.
ANYWAY-- WHO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
NO, NO, SO WYATT IS GREAT. I WAKE UP WYATT FIRST, AND THEN
HE WANTS TO COME WITH ME TO WAKE UP SEBASTIAN.
AND HE LIKES TO GET IN SEBASTIAN'S CRIB.
HE HAS THIS THING NOW-- I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM-- I WANT
TO SMELL SEBASTIAN. I WANT TO SMELL THE BABY.
AND I SAY SMELL THE BABY. AND HE SMELLS THE BABY'S HEAD.
THAM SING, "HE SMELLS LIKE AN AND EVERY TIME HE SAYS THE ANGEL."
>> Stephen: WOW. >> I'M LIKE ARE YOU FROM A
CHRISTMAS SPECIAL. >> Stephen: GET THAT KID OVER
TO HALLMARK. >> I KNOW, I KNOW.
>> Stephen: YOU HAVE A NEW PODCAST.
>> I DO. >> Stephen: THAT'S CALLED "ALL
THERE IS," AND IT'S ABOUT GRIEF. >> YES.
>> Stephen: AND I WAS YOUR FIRST GUEST.
>> YOU WERE MY SECOND-- YOU WERE MY FIRST GUEST BUT THE SECOND
EPISODE OF THE PODCAST. >> Stephen: BUT I WAS THE
FIRST GUEST. >> WHEN I DECIDED TO DO THE
PODCAST YOU WERE THE FIRST PERSON I HAD IN MIND BECAUSE YOU
AND I HAD A CONVERSATION A COUPLE OF WEEKS AFTER MY MOM
DIED THAT SO PROVING MOVING TO ME AND A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE
ABOUT GRIEF AND LOSS IN THE WHO SAW IT, AND YOU SPEAK MOST
PROFOUND, MOST MOVING AND THOUGHTFUL WAY OF I THINK
ANYBODY I'VE EVER SPOKEN TO ABOUT IT.
AND SO I KNEW I WANTED TO SPEAK TO YOU FOR THIS PODCAST.
AND STEVEN AND I HAD A CONVERSATION-- EPISODE TWO OF
THIS PODCAST-- IT'S REALLY-- I MEAN, I REALLY THINK IT IS AMONG
THE MOST PROFOUND CONVERSATIONS I HAVE EVER HAD.
>> Stephen: IT'S VERY MEANINGFUL TO ME.
AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL. AND I ADMIRE THE FACT THAT
YOU'RE EXPLORING THE SUBJECT, GRIEF AND LOSS, THAT EVERYBODY
HAS TO DEAL WITH AND ALMOST AT SOME POINT IN THEIR LIFE NOBODY
WANTS TO TALK ABOUT. IT'S A GREAT SERVICE.
UNCOMFORTABLE AS YOU CAN TELL >> IT MAKES PEOPLE BY THE SILENCE
IN THE ROOM RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS UNDERSTANDABLE.
>> Stephen: SURE. >> BUT IT'S-- BUT IT IS
SOMETHING THAT WE WILL ALL GO THROUGH, IF WE HAVEN'T ALREADY,
IF YOU HAVEN'T OUT THERE ALREADY, YOU'RE LUCKY.
BUT YOU WILL GO THROUGH THIS. AND TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT
AND TO BE ABLE TO THINK ABOUT IT IN NEW AND DIFFERENT WAYS, I
MEAN, YOU LOST YOUR FATHER, TWO OF YOUR BROTHERS, PETER AND
PAUL, WERE KILLED WHEN YOU WERE 10 YEARS OLD IN A PLANE CRASH.
I LOST MY DAD WHEN I WAS 10 YEARS OLD.
THAT CHANGED THE TRAJECTORY OF THE REST OF OUR LIVES.
IT CHANGED THE PEOPLE THAT WE WERE.
I KNOW WE BOTH MARK TIME FROM THAT DAY-- THAT DAY BECAME THE
NEW YEAR 0. IT'S LIKE THE CLOCKS RESET.
>> Stephen: SURE. >> I'M A DIFFERENT PERSON.
DEALT WITH ALL THE LOSSES THAT AND I HAVEN'T-- I HAVEN'T I HAD
IN MY LIFE REALLY, UNTIL NOW. I STARTED GOING THROUGH MY
MOMMIA THINGS AFTER SHE DIED. AND I JUST FOUND IT
BECAUSE I WAS ALSO GOING OVERWHELMING. THROUGH
MY DAD'S STUFF, BECAUSE HE DIED WHEN I WAS 10 --
>> Stephen: THAT'S A 40-YEAR GAP IN YOUR LIFE.
>> AND MY BROTHER. >> Stephen: OF COURSE YOUR
BROTHER DIED WHEN YOU WERE IN YOUR 20s.
>> HE WAS 21. >> Stephen: THAT'S 40 YEARS
STARTED DEALING WITH ANY OF AND 30 YEARS BEFORE YOU THAT.
YOU FIND THINGS-- ONE OF THE THINGS YOU TALK ABOUT, ABOUT
GLORIA VANDERBILT, YOU FIND FINDING OF YOUR MOTHER'S, THESE
OBJECTS THAT TRIGGER THESE EMOTIONS FOR YOU.
WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE FOUND THAT HAVE BEEN THE
MOST PROFOUND FOR YOU. >> THEY HAVE BEEN AMAZING STUFF.
MY MOM WAS GLORIA VANDERBILT AND LIVED THIS KIND OF EPIC LIFE.
THERE IS JUST ALL THESE BOXES OF STUFF.
SHE NEVER THREW ANYTHING AWAY. YOU OPEN UP ONE, AND IT'S CORN
FLAKES FROM 1953 FROM THIS MOVE. AND YOU OPEN UP ANOTHER AND IT'S
A PILE OF, LIKE, TELEGRAM LOVE LETTERS FROM FRANK SINATRA WHILE
THEY WERE HAVING A THING. >> Stephen: THIS IS THEM
HAVING THEIR THING IN 1954. >> THIS IS THEM HAVING THEIR
THING. THEIR THING DIDN'T LAST --
>> Stephen: YOUR MOTHER IS RADIANT.
LOOK AT THAT. >> I KNOW.
SO WHAT'S -- >> Stephen: GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE
OF THE TELEGRAM. >> THE TELEGRAM SAID, "STAR,
COME INTO TOWN, YOUR FELLA ON THE WHITE HORSE,
IT'S JUST EXACTLY WHAT YOU RING-A-DING-DING." WOULD
WANT A LOVE TELEGRAM -- >> Stephen: HE HAD SOMEONE
FROM WARNER BROTHERS WRITE THAT. >> IT'S ALWAYS FROM AIRPORTS AND
HE'S LIKE, "I'M IN MELBOURNE ON PLANES. ON
MY WAY TO YOU, STAR. I THINK OF YOU MORE THAN I
SHOULD. CALL ME.
CRESTVIEW, 475." JUST-- IT'S-- AND I'M SITTING
THERE, THIS IS KIND OF AMAZING AND WHAT DO I DO WITH THESE
THINGS? YEAH AND SO I WANTED --
>> Stephen: SO AND YOU RONAN FARROW MIGHT BE FRANK SINATRA'S
FUN. A LOT TO GO THROUGH THERE.
A LOT TO PROCESS. >> A LOT TO UNPACK.
>> Stephen: NOW, HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER PEOPLE
AND THEIR GRIEF HAS THAT CHANGED--
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> Stephen: HOW YOU LOOK AT
YOUR OWN GRIEF? >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> Stephen: HOW YOU EXAMINE IT?
>> IT'S MADE ME REFRAME SCPR RETHINK THE STORIES I TELL
WE ALL HAVE THESE NARRATIVES MYSELF. WE
IN AN EPISODE FROM TODAY, I TELL OURSELVES. TALK
TO DR. MILLER, HIS SISTER DIED BY SUICIDE.
THE RELEASE TODAY IS ABOUT MY BROTHER'S SUICIDE WHEN HE WAS
HE KILLED HIMSELF IN FRONT OF 23. MY
MOM. AND IT'S ABOUT THE RIPPLE
EFFECTS OF IT, AND ONE OF THE THINGS HE TALKS ABOUT IS HOW--
HOW HE VIEWS-- HE DOESN'T VIEW SORROW AS THE ENEMY.
HE DOESN'T VIEW TEARS AS THE ENEMY.
HE DOESN'T EVEN VIEW DEATH AS THE ENEMY.
YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER.
HE TALKS ABOUT HOW THE STORIES WE TELL OURSELVES, WE GET STUCK
IN THESE STORIES. "I'M THE KIND OF GUY WHO DOES
I'M THE KIND OF PERSON WHO THIS. FEELS
THIS." AND YOU CAN CHANGE THE STORIES
YOU TELL YOURSELF, AND YOU CAN CHANGE THE WAY-- THE WAY I WAS
SEEING MY MOM AND MY DAD AND MY BROTHER WAS THROUGH THE EYES OF
A 10-YEAR-OLD BOY WHEN MY DAD DIED.
TO SUDDENLY NOW SEE THEM AS A 55-YEAR-OLD MAN WHO HAS CHILDREN
REFRAMES HOW YOU THINK ABOUT OF THEIR OWN, IT'S-- IT THEIR LOSS,
AND ALSO HAVING KIDS HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS, EXTRAORDINARY
EXPERIENCE BECAUSE I KNOW I WANT TO PASS ON...
I WANT TO... PASS ON WHO MY DAD WAS, WHO MY
MOM WAS, AND WHO MY BROTHER WAS, TO MY KIDS WITHOUT IT BEING KIND
OF CLOAKED IN SADNESS AND, LIKE, MYSTERY TO THEM.
I JUST-- I WANT THEM TO KNOW WHO THEY WERE AND ALL THE MEMORIES
THAT I HAVE, I WOULD LIKE THEM TON A LOT OF THOSE STORIES.
SADDEST THINGS ABOUT WHEN YOU BECAUSE TO ME ONE OF THE LOSE YOUR
FAMILY, WHEN YOU ARE THE LAST ONE LEFT FROM YOUR IMMEDIATE
LIKE THE LIGHTHOUSE KEEPER ON FAMILY, IS YOU ARE-- YOU'RE THIS
ISLAND. YOU'RE THE KEEPER OF ALL THE
MEMORIES. YOU'RE THE LAST ONE WHORM
REMEMBERS ALL THOSE LITTLE STORIES THAT AKE UP YOUR
THE IDEA OF THOSE STORIES FAMILY'S LIFE. DYING
ABLE TO PASS THOSE STORIES ON ALONG WITH MY FAMILY, TO BE IS
TREMENDOUSLY IMPORTANT.
YOU'RE DOING I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
THANK YOU FOR DOING IT. >> THANK YOU.
>> Stephen: ANDERSON, LOVELY TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
HIS PODCAST IS "ALL THERE IS" AND HIS BOOK, "VANDERBILT," IS
NOW AVAILABLE IN PAPERBACK. IT'S ANDERSON COOPER, EVERYBODY!
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH THE STAR OF THE MOVIE, "SMILE,"
SOSIE BACON.