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>>> PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN
TOLD TALK TOUGH ON NORTH KOREA.
WATCH TAPE.
>> NORTH KOREA BEST NOT MAKE
ANYMORE THREATS TO THE UNITED
STATES.
THEY WILL BE MET WITH FIRE AND
FURY LIKE THE WORLD HAS NEVER
SEEN.
THE UNITED STATES HAS GREAT
STRENGTH AND PATIENCE, BUT IF IT
IS FORCED TO DEFEND ITSELF OR
ITS ALLIES, WE WILL HAVE NO
CHOICE BUT TO TOTALLY DESTROY
NORTH KOREA.
"ROCKET MAN" IS ON A SUICIDE
MISSION FOR HIMSELF.
STUART: JOINING US NOW, THE
AUTHOR OF THE BORKE, A WORLD IN
DISARRAY.
HIS NAME IS RICHARD HAASS, THE
PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL ON
FOREIGN RELATIONS.
RICHARD, YOU DIDN'T LIKE THAT
BLUSTER BUT THE HARD-LINE, WOULD
YOU AGREE, IT DID IN THE END
WORK?
>> WE DON'T EXACTLY KNOW THAT.
IT IS POSSIBLE IT WORKED.
OBVIOUSLY THE SANCTIONS HAD A
ROLE.
BUT ALSO NORTH KOREA GOT DONE
MISSILES AND NUCLEAR WARHEADS IT
MAY HAVE SIMPLY CONCLUDED IT
REACHED A POINT WHERE IT COULD
SAFELY AND SECURELY GO TO A
SUMMIT WITH THE UNITED STATES.
STUART: IT SEEMS LIKE A REAL
TURNAROUND WITH AMERICA'S
DIPLOMACY, VIS-A-VIS
NORTH KOREA.
YOU'RE NOT PREPARED TO SAY TRUMP
PUSHED FOR IT AND TRUMP GOT IT?
>> HE TALKED TOUGH.
HE GOT SANCTIONS THROUGH THE
U.N.
HE IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE GOT
THE WHERE WE WERE.
MY PROBLEM HE TALKED A LOT
TOUGHER THAN HE NEGOTIATED.
STUART, WE HAVEN'T, HOW DO YOU
KNOW WHAT HE IS GOING TO
NEGOTIATE?
HE HIMSELF IT WILL TAKE YEARS
FOR THE DENUCLEARIZATION
PROCESS.
HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW HE IS GOING
TO NEGOTIATE IN THE FUTURE?
>> WE DON'T.
ALL I'M SAYING WE LEFT WITH NO
DEFINITION OF DENUCLEARIZATION.
NO TIMELINE.
NO NORTH KOREAN COMMITMENT TO
VERIFICATION.
ONE TANGIBLE THING WAS THE
UNITED STATES GAVE UP ITS
MILITARY EXERCISES.
AND I DIDN'T NOTICE, MAYBE YOU
DID, I DIDN'T NOTICE ANY NORTH
KOREAN REDUCTION IN THE
CONVENTIONAL MILITARY THREAT IT
POSES TO SOUTH KOREA, AND THAT
IS THE REASON WE HAVE OUR TROOPS
THERE.
THAT IS THE REASON WE EXERCISE.
STUART: BUT THE PRESIDENT DID
SAY THERE WOULD BE AMERICANS AND
INTERNATIONAL OBSERVERS ON THE
GROUND IN NORTH KOREA TO MAKE
SURE VERIFICATION.
>> VERIFICATION IS NOT LOOKING
FOR THINGS.
VERIFICATION IS JUST THAT, IT
VERIFIES THINGS YOU KNOW ABOUT.
VERIFICATION IN ARMS CONTROL,
WHETHER WITH THE SOVIETS OR
RUSSIANS NOW OR ANYBODY ELSE,
FIRST REQUIRES THE OPPOSITE SIDE
TO GIVE YOU AN ACCOUNTING OF ALL
THEY HAVE.
WE DON'T KNOW IF NORTH KOREA HAS
20 NUCLEAR WEAPONS OR 60.
WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEIR
PRODUCTION MACHINERY IS.
WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE
MATERIALS ARE.
SO VERIFICATION IS NEVER ANY
BETTER THAN THE BASELINE YOU'RE
WORKING FROM.
STUART: RICHARD, YOU DON'T SEEM
VERY HAPPY ABOUT THIS.
>> NO.
LOOK, I THINK, AGAIN WE'VE TAKEN
A STEP AWAY FROM WAR.
IF YOU HAD ME ON SIX MONTHS AGO,
I WOULD HAVE SAID ODDS OF GOING
TO WAR, WERE 30, 40, EVEN 50%.
NOW I WOULD SAY THEY'RE PROBABLY
DOWN IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS A
YEAR TO 10%.
THAT IS ALL TO THE GOOD.
I JUST THINK IT'S A MISTAKE TO
EXAGGERATE WHAT WAS
ACCOMPLISHED.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE TOP OF THE
FIRST INNING IN A NINE INNING
GAME.
LET'S BE REALISTIC HERE.
STUART: COULD ANY OTHER
PRESIDENT HAVE BROUGHT
KIM JONG-UN TO THE TABLE?
>> WE'VE HAD OTHER PRESIDENTS,
WHILE THEY DIDN'T HAVE DIRECT
MEETINGS WITH KIM JONG-UN HAD
NEGOTIATIONS WITH NORTH KOREA
AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH THE
AGREEMENTS THEY REACHED WERE FAR
MORE DETAILED AND FAR-REACHING
THAT AN THIS ONE.
SO YOU BROUGHT THEM TO THE
TABLE.
THE QUESTION WHAT DID HE LEAVE
THE TABLE WITH.
STUART: FORGIVE ME, RICHARD, THE
COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS
DOESN'T SEEM PREPARED TO GIVE
PRESIDENT TRUMP FOR ANYTHING?
>> COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS
DOESN'T TAKE POSITIONS.
THIS IS ME SPEAKING.
WHEN I AGREE WITH HIM I SO.
WHEN HE USED FORCE IN THE
MIDDLE EAST THAT WAS GOOD.
IT IS GOOD WE PROVIDED UKRAINE
WITH DEFENSIVE SYSTEMS.
I THINK SOME OF HIS CRITIQUE OF
CHINA ON TRADE IS JUSTIFIED.
THE FACT AGAIN, WE'RE A STEP
FARTHER AWAY FROM WAR IS ALL TO
BE WELCOME.
I THINK YOU HAVE GOT TO BE
CAREFUL OF BE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
DON'T EXAGGERATE WHAT WAS
ACCOMPLISHED HERE.
STUART: WHAT DO WHAT DO YOU THIK
STUART: WHAT DO WHAT DO YOU THIA
STUART: WHAT DO WHAT DO YOU THIE
THE ODDS, GIVE ME ODDS ON IT, OF
EVENTUALLY THIS IS A TRUE
SUCCESS?
THAT NORTH KOREA DOES
DENUCLEARIZATION?
KIM STAYS IN POWER, HE HAS GOT
SECURITY AND NORTH KOREA BECOMES
PROSPEROUS, WHAT ARE THE ODDS
THAT EVENTUALLY COMES TO PASS?
>> I SAY LESS THAN ONE OUT OF
10.
I THINK NORTH KOREA MADE
ASSESSMENT THAT COUNTRIES THAT
GIVE UP THEIR NUCLEAR WEAPONS,
UKRAINE, IRAQ, LIBYA, THOSE
LEADERS PAYEE ENORMOUS PRICE FOR
THAT.
I SIMPLY DON'T SEE THEM GOING
DOWN THE PATH WITH THEIR NUCLEAR
WEAPONS.
THEY'RE NOT ANXIOUS TO OPEN UP
ECONOMICALLY.
IF THEY DO THAT, THEIR POLITICAL
GRIP WOULD WEAKEN.
SO I THINK THIS IDEA THAT
NORTH KOREA SEEKS TO BECOME A
MODERN, OPEN, SOCIETY, I JUST
DON'T SEE THAT IN THEIR
PLAYBOOK.