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>> WELCOME BACK TO OUR SUNDAY SQUARE OFF DEBATE.
YES OR NO, IS VOTER FRAUD A
PROBLEM IN ARIZONA, MICHELLE
RAGAN?
RAGAN?
RAGAN? >>
RAGAN? >> IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A
PROBLEM.
PROBLEM.
PROBLEM. 22 CASES IN THE LAST COUPLE OF
YEARS HAVE BEEN TURNED OVER TO
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
>> I HAVE HER CONCERNS, I
CANNOT SAY IT IS A WIDESPREAD
PROBLEM.
PROBLEM.
PROBLEM. >> TO YOU THINK ELECTION
OFFICIALS COULD DO MORE TO GET
THE WORD OUT ABOUT THAT?
MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE IT IS.
WHAT WHAT YOU DO TO GET THE
WORD OUT ABOUT THAT?
>> IF I TOOK OFFICE WHAT I
WOULD DO IS GO TO EVERY COUNTY
AND OVERSEE WHAT WAS GOING ON
AND PUBLICIZE IT.
I HAVEN'T BEEN TO EVERY COUNTY,
BUT THE ONES THAT I HAVE BEEN TO
MANY OF THEM ARE VERY CONSCIOUS
OF SECURITY.
OF SECURITY. THEY RUN A VERY GOOD OPERATION
AND I HAVE BEEN IMPRESSED.
>> WILL WHAT ABOUT WHAT YOU
SAID ABOUT CONCERNS ABOUT
SIGNATURES?
SIGNATURES? >> EVEN WHEN I SEE AN OPERATION
THAT IS WELL-RUN SIGNATURES GET
BY.
BY.
BY. >>
BY. >> RAGAN, WHAT WOULD YOU DO OR
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ENSURE IT
IS NOT A PROBLEM?
>> EDUCATING PEOPLE ON WHERE WE
DO SEE PROBLEMS AND WHERE WE
THINK IT IS BEING OVERBLOWN.
NO ELECTION SYSTEM IS 100%
FRAUD FREE.
FRAUD FREE. ANYONE WHO SAYS IT IS NOT
HAVING THE TRUTH.
IS IT IS WIDESPREAD AS SOME
CLAIM?
CLAIM?
CLAIM? AND IS THAT WE CAN SAY
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
ABSOLUTELY NOT. >> STEVE GAYNOR YOU HAVE
DESCRIBED HERSELF AS 100% FOR
THE PRESIDENT. THE PRESIDENT
CLAIMS 3 MILLION PEOPLE VOTED
ILLEGALLY IN 2016, DO YOU AGREE?
>> FROM WHERE I SAID I CANNOT
MAKE A JUDGMENT ABOUT THAT.
WHAT I CAN SAY IS I HAVE READ
THAT IN CERTAIN STATES THERE
ARE SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS.
CALIFORNIA BEING ONE,
APPARENTLY IN CALIFORNIA THERE
ARE 11 COUNTIES WHERE THERE ARE
MORE PEOPLE REGISTERED TO VOTE
THEN THERE ARE ADULTS IN THOSE
COUNTIES.
COUNTIES.
COUNTIES. I CANNOT SAY THERE IS
WIDESPREAD FRAUD, BUT IT RAISES
THE QUESTION THAT THERE IS.
>> DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT
STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT?
>> I CAN ONLY ANSWER FOR
ARIZONA, NOT IN THE STATE.
>> IS IT IMPLAUSIBLE?
-- PLAUSIBLE?
-- PLAUSIBLE? >> QUITE FRANKLY ANYTHING IS
POSSIBLE.
POSSIBLE.
POSSIBLE. >> HE IS TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC
STATES, IS IT PLAUSIBLE?
>> I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION TO
SAY.
SAY.
SAY. >>
SAY. >> HE DID CREATE A VOTER
INTEGRITY COMMISSION, CHAIRED
BY CHRIS COBACH.
IT GOT GOING AND THEY WANTED
ALL VOTER REGISTRATION RECORDS,
WHAT HAPPENED THERE.
>> WHAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR IS
NOT ALLOWED TO BE GIVEN TO THEM
BY STATE LAW.
I CANNOT GIVE OUT YOUR MOTHER'S
MAIDEN NAME, YOUR SOCIAL
SECURITY NUMBER, AND DATE OF
BIRTH.
BIRTH.
BIRTH. VOTER RECORDS ARE PUBLIC
INFORMATION AND LIMITED, BUT DO
WE WANT TO BE IN THE WAKE OF
BEING NERVOUS ABOUT HACKING?
DO WE WANT TO BE SENDING OUR
ENTIRE VOTER FILE OVER AN
UNSECURED CHANNEL?
UNSECURED CHANNEL? I FINALLY GOT TO THE POINT
WHERE I WAS ASKING PEOPLE IN
WHAT WORLD ARE WE LIVING IN
WHERE CONSERVATIVES WANT THIS
INFORMATION SENT TO THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT?
GOVERNMENT? IT WASN'T A GOOD IDEA.
WE AGREE WITH WHAT THE
COMMISSION WAS TRYING TO DO,
BUT THERE ARE MANY OTHER WAYS.
WE SENT THEM A LETTER AND WITH
SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT WE DID
HAVE.
HAVE.
HAVE. I
HAVE. I WAS NOT ALONE.
THERE WERE SEVERAL REPUBLICAN
SECRETARY OF STATE WHO STOOD
THEIR GROUND WITH ME.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT HACKING AND
THE FEARS AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.
HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU THINK
NEEDS TO BE DONE TO ARIZONANS
SYSTEMS?
SYSTEMS?
SYSTEMS? >> MY BIGGEST CONCERN RIGHT NOW
IS THAT THE COUNTY LEVEL.
ALTHOUGH THE COUNTIES TALK
ELECTRONICALLY TO THE STATE.
SOME COUNTIES PROBABLY NEED
MORE HELP THAN THEY HAVE GOTTEN.
IT IS A REALITY IN THE
INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY WORLD,
ATTEMPTS AT HACKING GO ON ALL
THE TIME.
THE TIME.
THE TIME. >> MICHELLE RAGAN, YOU KNOW THE
COUNTIES.
COUNTIES.
COUNTIES. >> IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE YOU
ARE ONLY AS STRONG AS YOUR
WEAKEST LINK.
WEAKEST LINK. IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHAT 14
COUNTIES HAVE IN PLACE IF ONE
IS VERY LAX AND SHARE THE SAME
SYSTEM.
SYSTEM.
SYSTEM. THE SECOND ROUND OF FUNDING
THAT OUR STATE RECEIVED, ABOUT
$7