Is liking another girl's Instagram photo cheating?
No.
Do you think there's any way it can be...?
Cheating?
Yeah.
No. Instagram is literally, like, you're flicking,
you're flicking and you just double tap.
It's literally not real life.
Probably what I don't like is if a girl is a Barbie,
and they're just constantly on their phone,
constantly worried about how many likes they're getting,
how many followers they're getting,
how many followers they're losing.
It's not real life.
My last long-term relationship was four years.
I was cheated on and I feel like I've definitely
got some, like, deeper trust issues now.
I try not to let them affect me too much,
but definitely, I need honesty.
Hello.
Hello!
How are you?
Hey. Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you.
I'm Carrie.
I'm Jamie.
Lovely.
It's quite early for a date.
I know, what the hell? I'm nervous.
I wasn't nervous up until now.
Yeah same, I wasn't nervous until I sat on this chair
and I was like, 'Oh God.'
Yeah.
It is weird.
I'm really nervous, I don't know why.
So what do you do?
I'm a student.
What do you study?
Acting.
Acting! Ooh, I quite like that.
And you?
I do social media stuff - influencing, kind of thing.
Some people love it, some people hate it.
Some people are a bit weird about it,
but I think it's cool.
Oh my God.
Oh my God. That's a saucy one.
[CARRIE] Going straight in with it! [JAMIE] I’ll just be honest.
Everything is a learning curve.
Okay.
Basically,
if I'm to sum it up, white lies.
Small lies that...
Right.
A compound effect that built up
and built up, and built up.
And then just... yeah.
Wait, you were lying or she was lying?
Yeah, I started. It started with me.
But they weren't deep. Just stupid, stupid lies.
Like what?
If I was at a shop, I would say, like,
'Oh, I'm just 100 metres away.'
Do you know what I mean? Just stupid white lies.
Even if I was 10 minutes away,
I'd say, 'Oh, I'm two minutes away.'
Why though? Why would you lie?
I basically thought that if I told a white lie,
it would avoid a massive argument.
Do you know what I mean?
Which is stupid, stupid.
I know.
I'm struggling to see how your relationship ended
on you saying you were two minutes late.
No.
I can't think of any of the more serious ones
off the top of my head right now.
Why did your last relationship end?
I think it was, like, very rocky for a while,
but we lived together, so I think we kept...
just kept it going for a while
when it should have ended.
I think everybody ends up in the same situation.
It's like that and then it just goes south
[CAM] really quickly. [CARRIE] Yeah.
I'm sorry.
Oh God.
Do you think it's important?
Yes and no. Like, if it's 278...
It's very specific!
Ha, yes! But you know what I'm saying.
What's a good number then, that you would be like,
'Oh, that's reasonable.'
I don't know.
Do you think a girl's body count is important?
Unless it's, like, a ridiculous number...
If it was, like, 50, would you be like, 'Ooh,'
or would you think...
Well, that's more than me. Do you know what I mean?
So it's a competition?
No! Like it’s just-
You slept with more people than me!
I don't mean it like that, like 'that's more than me', it’s like...
If it was considerably more so than me,
and it was something that...
it was gonna be a serious relationship,
then for some reason it would just, like... play...
Right.
On my mind.
It's under 10.
That's fine.
What about you?
Under 10.
Okay.
So it is.
No.
Do you think there's any way it can be...?
Cheating?
Yeah.
No.
Instagram is literally like, you're flicking,
you're flicking, and you just double tap and you flick.
For me anyway, I just flick, double tap, flick.
Do you know what I mean?
It's not that deep at all.
But then I feel like it can be deep
It can.
Because I feel like it's come up in dating guys,
and they're liking other girls pictures who I know.
And I'm talking he's not friends with...
I'm totally fine with somebody liking their mates' pictures.
But there's some guys, they just...
They're following, like, all girls,
they're constantly messaging girls, they're liking...
Why did you ask that question?
I just feel like it's a good telltale sign.
I think people can have very different views on it.
It just stresses me out whenever a topic like that...
'Instagram, liking a picture is so deep.'
It's literally not real life.
It just baffles me sometimes.
I just feel it's such a stupid subject.
I just wish it didn't even exist, do you know what I mean?
Yeah.
I wish...
I would have been alive in the 1950s, to date.
Yeah.
Because do you think
they worried about liking pictures on Instagram?
No, they didn't.
[CARRIE] Because they didn’t have Instagram! [JAMIE] There was so much less stuff to worry about.
It would just be nicer.
I also wouldn't have a job if that was the case,
so wouldn't be ideal, but yeah.
I'm sure you'd find something.
That's not gonna be a good one, is it?
It's high, it's a lot.
Yeah?
Yeah. Probably double what you can even imagine.
I can understand, for you, why you would spend a lot of time
on social media, because it's your job
and you literally make an income from it.
Yeah.
But, like, if they're just on Instagram
purely for the fun of it,
and they're just obsessed with Instagram,
but they're not going anywhere with it...
Does that make sense?
Then, I don't know.
You don't want to have fun on Instagram.
No.
No, I'm joking.
You know what I mean.
I think, because I have
to be on it for my job, I like being off it,
you know what I mean?
So I don't think...
It's never been a problem, but I do sometimes feel
like people don't take the job very seriously.
It is a job! Like, if it is a job -
Yay!
No, but it is a job.
Yeah, so many people don't think that, though.
I notice a lot of people just use Instagram
for, like, posting their Saturday night out.
So do you use social media a lot then,
or are you not...?
I do, and I'm trying to,
at the minute, post more and stuff,
to try and get myself out there.
I do want to do a YouTube channel.
[JAMIE] That is a goal of mine, [CARRIE] Yeah, what the-
I just want to do it.
The worst thing I have done in a relationship?
I haven't cheated. That's a start.
Okay.
So...
Nothing.
I don't think I've done anything that bad.
That's good! You don't have to try
and think of something if you've not done it.
Do you know what I mean?
It's always just been something small
that's built up and built up, and built up and built up.
Maybe me just not listening to what the person was saying,
and just disregarding it.
Do you know what I mean?
And just maybe doing it again without thinking,
and doing it again without thinking.
Do you know what I mean?
And again!
Yeah.
Okay, that was quite good, but you've never cheated.
No, I haven't cheated.
I feel like I probably have some trust issues
from being cheated on before,
and I feel like it's just good to know...
I do really think people can change.
I'm not, like, one of those people who's like...
I'm telling you now, people can change.
You know some people are like,
'Once a cheat, always a cheat,'
stuff like that?
I don't necessarily think that's true,
but I also think it's interesting.
What happened?
So we were very much...
I thought we were very much okay.
The relationship was fairly strong, I would say.
And just, like, one random night out, and...
Just happened?
Yeah.
So that wasn't great for me, but...
[JAMIE] It is what it is. [CARRIE] It is what it is!
[JAMIE] You're here now, you're fine. [CARRIE] Yeah.
[JAMIE] It’s all good. [CARRIE] Exactly.
What's the worst thing that you've done in a relationship?
Have you cheated?
No.
I feel like I've probably done some questionable stuff,
you know when you're in the weird, like, talking stages,
or the breaking-ups or, like...
Nobody's perfect.
A lot of on and off situations.
For me, whenever I'm dating someone,
I feel an instant, like...
Yeah.
And I don't feel that, do you know what I mean? But you’re...
Yeah.
You're very pretty and you're lovely,
and you're interesting.
But for me, I just don't feel that
instant connection.
It's not, like, chemistry.
I feel like I could get along with you really well.
It was a good date, but just... yeah.
Was it a date? I just thought...
You know what I mean?
Yeah. It was a nice chat.
It was a nice chat.
Did I fancy her? No.
Within literally 10 seconds,
you just knew that that wasn't there.
Do you know what I mean?
Nothing to do with the girl. She was lovely.
Just... the Spidey senses were not tingling.
Do you know what I mean?
I don't think there was actually that much chemistry.
And I also feel like I don't know how much he would say
about, like, lies on camera.
So I'm thinking if he's saying to me, on a first date,
'white lies'...
would it be something a lot more than that?
And obviously trust issues for me is, like, number one.
I need somebody honest who I can trust.
So I feel like that would be a bit of a red flag for me.