DAY.
SHANNON.
>> Shannon: STEVE HARRIGAN,
THANK YOU.
THE PENTAGON ACCELERATING PLANS
TO GET ALL AMERICAN TROOPS OUT
OF SYRIA AS THE TURKISH
OFFENSIVE AGAINST KURDISH FORCES
INTENSIFIES, SO SOME U.S. FORCES
WILL STAY IN THE REGION.
LET'S TURN TO FOX NEWS
CONTRIBUTOR DANIEL HOFFMAN, ALSO
FORMER CIA STATION CHIEF AND
JOHNNY JOEY JONES, A RETIRED
MARINE CORPORATION BOMB
TECHNICIAN.
THINK ABOUT HER BEING WITH US IN
IT.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
>> Shannon: THERE'S BEEN A LOT
OF BY PARTISAN BACKLASH.
ONE OF THE LOCAL CRITICS, THIS
IS SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM, A
REPUBLICAN, HE MET REPORTED FOR
HOURS AT THE WHITE HOUSE TODAY
WITH SOME OTHERS.
HE CAME OUT AND MADE A STATEMENT
AFTERWARDS.
HE SAID "I WOULD URGE MY
REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC
COLLEAGUES TO CONTINUE TO SPEAK
OUT AGAINST TURKEY'S INCURSION
INTO SYRIA AND SUPPORT
PRESIDENT TRUMP'S EFFORTS TO
IMPOSE CRIPPLING SANCTIONS
AGAINST TURKEY."
HE ADDS THAN "THE PRESIDENT'S
TEAM HAS A PLAN I PRETEND TO
SUPPORT THEM AS STRONG AS
POSSIBLE AND TO GIVE THEM
REASONABLE TIME AND SPACE TO
ACHIEVE OUR MUTUAL GOALS."
DAN, WHAT YOU MAKE OF THAT?
>> IT'S DEFINITELY A REALLY
CHALLENGING SITUATION.
TURKEY IS A NATO ALLY AND I CAN
TELL YOU THE ONE PERSON WHO'S
SMILING ABOUT ALL OF THIS IS
VLADIMIR PUTIN IN THE KREMLIN.
ONE OF HIS STRATEGIC GOALS IS TO
DRIVE A WEDGE BETWEEN THE
UNITED STATES AND OUR NATO
ALLIES AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE
SEEING RIGHT NOW OVER THIS
CRISIS IN SYRIA.
>> Shannon: A WHILE, WRITING
FOR FOXNews.com, JIM HANSEN
SAYS THIS.
"TURKEY IS AMERICA'S NATO ALLY
AND IF WE ARE FORCED TO CHOOSE
BETWEEN THE KURDS IN TURKEY, WE
MUST LEAN TO THE SIDE OF TURKEY.
IF WE ABANDON EFFORTS TO FIX OUR
RELATIONSHIP WITH TURKEY, WE
WILL HAND RUSSIA A STRATEGIC
ALLY IN A REGION WHERE WE HAVE
FEW FRIENDS."
JOEY?
>> YEAH, I THINK THAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP -- THE FIRST
THING THAT I WANT TO ADDRESS
YOUR IS THAT WE ARE PAINTING
THIS AS PRESIDENT TRUMP IS
PULLING POLITICIANS OUT OF CARS
AND SHOOTING THEM IN THE HEAD
BECAUSE HE'S MADE THIS DECISION
ARE MORE IMPORTANTLY PROBABLY
MADE A DECISION TO NOT MAKE A
DECISION.
SO I DON'T THINK PRESIDENT TRUMP
SPAWNED THIS CALLING UP TURKEY
AND LETTING THEM KNOW, HEY BY
THE WAY, IF YOU WANT TO CROSS
THE BORDER AND COMMIT SOME
ATROCITIES, GO AHEAD, BUT HE HAD
A DECISION TO MAKE BECAUSE IT
SEEMS LIKE TURKEY WAS GOING TO
MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS
EVENTUALLY OR VERY SOON ANYWAY,
SO PRESIDENT TRUMP DECIDED NOT
TO TAKE MILITARY ACTION TO TRY
AND USE DIPLOMACY TO CONVINCE
TURKEY NOT TO TAKE IT THIS FAR
AND NOW USING SOME SORT OF
ECONOMIC SANCTIONS, HOPEFULLY
AND POSSIBLY NEGOTIATING PEACE.
WITH ALL OF THAT BEING SAID,
THIS IS A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE
FOR THE PRESIDENT, BECAUSE THE
OUTCOME RIGHT NOW IS OBVIOUSLY
NOT WHAT HE WANTED.
WE DON'T WANT TO LEAVE PEOPLE
HIGH AND DRY BECAUSE MY PROBLEM
WITH THIS IS WE WANT TO SAY WE
WANT ALL OF OUR TROOPS OUT OF
THE REGION.
OKAY, WE PULL THEM OUT OF THE
REGION.
WHO IS LEFT TO BE ON OUR SIDE TO
GET INFORMATION TO POSSIBLY
DETER ISIS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IF IT'S NOT THE KURDS, WHO IS
IT?
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE TURKEY IS
GOING TO PLAY WITH US ON THAT
GAME, SO IF WE ARE GOING TO SIT
HERE AND SAY WE'RE DOING IS TO
PULL TROOPS OUT OF THE REGION TO
END ENDLESS WARS, WE CAN'T SEND
3,000 TROOPS TO SAUDI ARABIA.
WE CAN'T HAVE TENS OF THOUSANDS
OF TROOPS STILL IN THE REGION.
THOSE NUMBERS DON'T ADD UP.
I DON'T EXPECT THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND A WARRIORS
PERSPECTIVE WHEN IT COMES TO
PROTECTING THE KURDS, AND MAKE
NO MISTAKE, THE WARRIORS IN THIS
COUNTRY WANT TO PROTECT THE
KURDS, BECAUSE THEY FOUGHT WITH
THEM.
I SPOKE TO MANY OF THEM TODAY,
BUT WHEN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
ONLY REALLY SHOW UP WITH AN
OPINION ABOUT OUR TROOPS BEING
DEPLOYED WHEN IT BECOMES
ELECTION SEASON, THAT'S WHEN I
TAKE ISSUE TO THIS EXCUSE THAT
WE ARE HERE AND FOR THE
ADMINISTRATION OF END ENDLESS
WARS.
THESE TWO THINGS DON'T END A
THESE TWO THINGS DON'T END T
THESE TWO THINGS DON'T END H
THESE TWO THINGS DON'T END R
THESE TWO THINGS DON'T END .
SIMPLE MATH TELLS YOU PULLING A
FEW TROOPS OUT OF SYRIA AND SEND
3,000 SAUDI ARABIA DOESN'T END
ENDLESS WARS, IT SHIFTS THINGS
AROUND SO I WOULD LIKE MORE
HONEST ANSWER FROM
ADMINISTRATION AND IF IT SIMPLY
TO AVOID ANOTHER WAR POSSIBLY
WITH TURKEY OR JUST WANT
SOMETHING, THAT'S OKAY, JUST BE
HONEST ABOUT IT SO WE AS THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN GO FOR THE
BALLOT BOX AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S
HAPPENING.
>> Shannon: DAN, LAST WEEK WE
SAW THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS ASKED
ABOUT THAT, WHY ARE WE SENDING
SAUDI ARABIA TO AND WE TALKED
ABOUT HOW THEY'VE BEEN A PARTNER
WITH US AND HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR
THE COST OF SENDING TROOPS WHICH
CAUSE SOME LAWMAKERS TO SAY ARE
WE SENDING OUR TRIPS TO THE
HIGHEST BIDDER SO WHAT YOU MAKE
OF THAT PART OF THE
CONVERSATION?
>> I THINK THERE'S A DISTINCTION
BETWEEN ENDLESS WARS AND AN
ONGOING PRESENCE.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A THOUSAND
TROOPS, NOT 100,000.
THEY ARE NOT BUILDING GIRLS
SCHOOLS.
THEY ARE FINDING THE ENEMY AND
ELIMINATING THE ENEMY BEFORE THE
STRESS CAN BE VISITED ON OUR
SHORES AND THE QUESTION FOR THIS
IT ADMINISTRATION AS JOEY
RIGHTLY POINTS OUT IS HOW DO WE
HANDLE THAT ONGOING ISIS THREAT?
LEADER OF ISIS IS STILL THERE.
THEY'VE GOT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF
HARDENED FIGHTERS AND RUSSIA,
IRAN AND SYRIA, AND TURKEY, ARE
NOT GOING TO BE LOOKING OUT
AFTER OUR INTERESTS, SO HOW DO
WE PROTECT OUR SECURITY GOING
FORWARD, THAT'S THE QUESTION.
>> Shannon: IS THE BIG
QUESTION.
WE HAVE THESE NEW SANCTIONS, THE
PRESIDENT SAYING TERRACE OR
HIKING UP ON CERTAIN GOODS,
SHUTTING DOWN TRADE TALKS.
HE SAYS THEY ARE TAKING SERIOUS
STEPS HERE, BUT AGAIN, THE
BIGGEST WARNING IS TO THESE
FOLKS, YOU BETTER NOT LET THE
ISIS PRISONERS ESCAPE, BUT WHO
CAN WE EXPECT TO NOW BE KEEPING
AN EYE ON THEM IN THAT REGION?
>> WHAT THAT IS GOOD QUESTION TO
ASK AND THAT'S WITH THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE SHOULD BE ASKING.
I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THE
LEFT-WING MEDIA AND THE
ESTABLISHMENT CONSERVATIVES JUST
CREATING THIS WAR CHANT OF "WE
GOT TO PROTECT THE KURDS."
NO, LET'S ASK QUESTIONS.
LET'S FIND OUT WHY WE ARE IN
THIS SITUATION, GET RIGHT
INFORMATION AND THEN AS A
COUNTRY OR MAY BE ELECTED
OFFICIALS MAKE A DECISION, GO TO
WAR, CREATE BETTER DIPLOMACY,
HAVE A BETTER STRATEGY.
IF YOU KNOW, I SUFFERED AN EIGHT
YEAR WAR WHEREVER PRESIDENT --
EVERY ELECTION HAD A DIFFERENT
STRATEGY ATTACHED TO IT.
OBAMA WANTED TO CLAIM VICTORY,
BUSH WANTED TO CLAIM VICTORY.
NOBODY WANTED TO JUST SIMPLY
HAVE A STRATEGY THAT KEPT US
SAFE OR AT LEAST BE HONEST ABOUT
IT.
AND THE TRUTH IS, I BECAME A
BOMB TEXT SO I WOULD BE PREPARED
FOR THOSE IEDs.
LET'S HAVE TROOPS IN THE REGION
SO WE CAN BE PREPARED FOR THOSE
THREATS.
YOU MAKE CALCULATED RISKS AND IF
IT'S A FEW THOUSAND TROOPS,
THAT'S OKAY.
>> Shannon: JOEY, YOU HAVE
SERVED AND SACRIFICED FOR OUR
COUNTRY AND DAN, YOU IN ANOTHER
WE HAVE ALSO SERVED AND
SACRIFICED FOR OUR COUNTRY.
BOTH OF YOU WILLING TO GO TO
DANGEROUS PLACES TO PROTECT THE
REST OF US SO WE DON'T HAVE TO
THINK ABOUT A 24/7.