All right.
It's a
high stakes week
ahead for House Speaker Kevin McCarthy,
who is getting mixed reactions
from some of his fellow Republicans
for his sweeping debt ceiling plan.
McCarthy is vowing
to bring it for a vote this week.
We will hold a vote this week
and we will pass
and we will send it to the Senate.
And for more than 80 days
where the president has ignored us,
called people names for things
that he even voted for himself.
Makes no sense are logic to it.
I think as president
and the leader of the free world,
this is one of the problems
we have challenges around this country
and around the world.
He needs to show leadership
and come to the negotiating table
instead of put us in default.
When referring
to Biden's past positions,
I should note
McCarthy was referring to his time
as a senator.
McCarthy's plan right
now, though, proposes
raising the nation's
2030 $1.4 trillion debt limit
by $1.5 trillion
or through March 31st 2024,
whichever comes first.
But it also proposes blocking
President Biden's plan to grant
student loan
forgiveness kill new IRS funding
that was enacted
as part of part of the Inflation
Reduction Act
and repealing green energy tax credits.
Many House
Republicans say
they have not yet decided
if they are going to support that plan,
including our next guest,
who is joining us now.
South Carolina Congresswoman
Nancy Mace, a congresswoman.
That is the first question this morning.
Does Kevin McCarthy have the votes?
Does he have your vote?
Well, well,
that's remains
to be seen later this week.
But I had to tell you, real Americans
don't get to operate
at a deficit
and Congress
needs to come back to the real world.
If you look at over
the last six years alone
under President Trump
and President Biden,
$13 trillion was added to the debt.
Both sides are at fault here.
And I just don't understand
why we can't have a conversation about
how we're going to cut spending,
like really cut spending
or balance
the budget over the next decade
or so
and show
the American people
we're going to be responsible
with their tax dollars.
And that's the kind of thing
that I want to see us
push for more aggressively.
So you haven't decided yet
whether or not you're going
to support this right?
I'm leaning against voting for it
at this time
because I just don't understand why
we can't have a conversation
about balancing the budget,
cutting spending and doing
so over the next ten years
because inflation is still on the rise.
We need to grow the economy.
You've got to cut spending
and cut taxes and
and rein some of that
in in order to grow the economy
at a rate
that can overtake
the debt that we've taken on
in this country.
It's Monday.
This vote could happen
as soon as Wednesday or Thursday.
I don't have to tell you that.
What does Kevin McCarthy need
to do to change your mind
about voting yes.
Or are you pretty firmly leaning no?
You say
we're still going through the plan.
I have other concerns,
especially on green energy,
a state like South Carolina
we have a lot of solar farms
and solar energy,
both presidential and commercial.
I want to find out and figure out
what kind of adverse impact
it might have on the state
of South Carolina.
Before we finally make that decision.
And there are other concerns
and we're just still wading through it.
And the devil's always in the details.
Okay,
so you want changes,
it sounds like before you would vote yes.
Correct.
But we'll see if they're if they'll
they'll do that.
But the things that I'm talking about,
you know, balancing
the budget in ten years
is not going to be easy.
I blame both sides
for the situation that we're in today.
And both sides need to come to the table
and figure this thing out.
I don't think we're going to default.
That's a fear tactic by the left.
We have plenty of tax revenue
to pay the interest on the debt
about 11 times that tax revenue.
But we need to get serious
about spending in this country
and neither side is willing
to have that conversation.
And that's what's disappointing
with all of this at this juncture now.
$31 trillion in debt
given you're not a yes yet.
And McCarthy was saying yesterday
he feels confident he has the votes
Obviously, you know,
it's a razor thin margin.
Is he wrong that he has the votes?
What have you heard
from other Republicans?
I haven't been whipping the votes,
so I don't know where others are.
I know that there there are several
that are going to be a yes.
That might be a surprise to some people
and they'll be some surprise.
Knows this knows as well.
We'll see how it ends up in the next
few days.
His argument seemed to be
that if Republicans could get this pass
this week,
it would give them some leverage, help
or force
Democrats
to come to the negotiating table.
Do you think that's that's just wrong?
Well, that remains to be seen.
I mean, we've
we've had a really tough time,
I would say, over
the last couple of years,
having both sides
come to a get together at the table
to make some tough decisions,
whether we're talking about legislation
or the budget or spending.
And we really need to do that.
I mean,
I hope that it can be leverage for that.
But so far,
the president
said he won't even come to the table
And that's wrong, too.
We need both sides to come together.
Both sides have contributed
to the $31 trillion of debt.
Both sides need to make tough decisions.
The average American has a balance
their checkbook.
I just don't understand
why we keep kicking
this can down the road
and do absolutely nothing
to curb our spending
or be at least a little more responsible
so we can balance things out
over the next ten years.
I don't understand
why that can't be
a part of the conversation.
Yeah,
and the White House has said
they are staying firm on their position.
We'll see what happens.
I do also want to get your reaction
to the Supreme Court
ruling on
world, their move
that they made on Friday night,
blocking that lower court's decision
to try to limit
or block the
distribution of medication abortion.
What was your reaction to that,
given it's clear
this fight is far from over? Right.
The fight is far from over.
But for now, the Supreme Court
did make the right decision.
I came on your show two weeks ago
talking about that judge's decision.
And in part,
the basis for his decision
was completely unconstitutional.
Using a law
that the Supreme Court, United States
Supreme Court
said was unconstitutional back in 1983.
This is an issue
where Republicans need to think
about whether or not
they want to
continue losing elections to the left
and some on the far left on abortion
up until birth
or if they want to moderate
some of their extreme views
and say we can be pro-life
and be pro
woman at the same time
and talk
about what
we're doing to protect
women who have been raped, girls
who are victims of incest.
What we're doing to improve
OB-GYN access
in rural areas
and contraception and contraceptives
to those areas
that don't have OB-GYN doctors.
What are we doing to protect women
and being pro-woman
while also being pro-life?
And that's a winning message
and winning policy
for the American people.
And I want to see us act on that.
It's very important right now
more than ever, because people are angry.
I see it in my state and in my district.
I'm in a very purple district
and people want to see solutions.
They don't want to continue
to see the far right
extreme take over this conversation.
Yeah, you've been very outspoken on that.
You're also in the house
Oversight Committee,
and you recently went
to the Treasury Building
to look at these
sales, these suspicious activity reports.
This is what you said upon
leaving the Treasury Department
the amount of money that
we're talking about
in these suspicious activity reports
is astronomical.
And the accusation
there and the source of the funding
or the
where the money is going,
the shell companies,
prostitution rings, etc..
It's insanity to me,
but it's not been investigated
in the way that it should be.
Now, this is in relation
to the investigations that Republicans
are conducting
when it comes to the Biden family.
That is quite an allegation
to make, though.
Do you have evidence
and how much information
and what you saw in a conspiracy theory
we reviewed over
there were over
170 suspicious activity reports.
And I'm going to be very clear,
I did that video right
as I was walking out of the Treasury
and then the far left
wanted to call me and label me
a conspiracy theorist afterwards.
It's not a conspiracy.
These were things that I read about
while I was there.
And we're talking
about potentially up
to a dozen Biden family members
in four years.
Now, the left has said
no one is above the law.
Well, if that's the case, put your money
where your mouth is.
Had this thing fully investigated
to the fullest extent of the law.
And if people
the average American saw what we saw,
they would question
why it's not being investigated,
because the allegations
that I made
are absolutely
what we were reading about last week.
And I'm not
I mean, I'm pretty
I call I call balls and strikes
on both sides.
And I'm being very clear and very honest
about what we saw.
I can't share all the details
because it's confidential.
Information,
but every time we overturn
a stone, there's more to be investigated
because you see another dumpster fire
and you're like, what is going on
and why is this happening?
That's my question
because when it comes to these reports,
you know
as well as I do
not all the information in
there is verified.
This is what gets reported.
This is what they're looking at.
It doesn't mean that wrongdoing
has been committed.
And so I think that's the question
that people had is walking out of there
after seeing this.
How do you know what you saw
is verified to come out
and make an allegation like that,
which, you know,
is something
that happens
to members of Congress
all the time, necessarily
when it comes to these allegations.
They shouldn't.
You know, the question
of whether or not they should be made,
if you don't actually know
that information is verified that you saw
I would just ask the
Department of Justice
to follow the money.
There are more questions than answers
and more by the families
involved than we know.
And if it's all aboveboard,
then say it's all aboveboard.
But when you look at what's going on
and the sources
of some of the funding
that's known and unknown
and where it's going,
you have a lot of questions
and you'll ask yourself,
why hasn't
this been investigated
to the fullest
extent of the law is very damning,
the things that we read in
those documents.
What we would like to see the evidence.
I know
the chairman of the House Oversight
Committee says he's
going to hold a press conference
this week.
I don't ask you
because an attorney for Hunter
Biden has sent a letter
to the deputy
inspector general requesting
a review of a former Trump aide
who allegedly acquired
and published online
these financial activities,
these reports of Hunter Biden.
Do you believe that
that should be investigated as well?
No one is above the law and both
I have been very clear
If someone has broken the law,
they should be investigated
to the fullest extent of the law.
I don't care if they have an R
or a D by their name.
And I will tell you, the American people,
they don't trust Congress.
They don't trust D.C.
It's because they see people in power,
people with money
get away with things
that they could never get away with.
And so
I'm all for investigating
whomever is broken
the law and hold them to the fullest
extent of the law.
Yeah, I think people just want evidence
for those allegations.
Absolutely.
Congresswoman Nancy Mace,
thank you for your time this morning.
Thank you.