An online incel community has erupted into brutal infighting
after one of their leaders made a horrible decision and got laid.
Which, by the way, I don't actually think is a horrible decision,
love is a beautiful thing.
Intimacy is a beautiful thing but if you're not getting laid,
you probably don't like hearing about one of your leaders getting laid.
And that's what happening here.
>> That is just such an interesting component of
that group that you wouldn't be happy for them.
>> Right.
I mean, I'm not surprised by that, right?
Because incel communities find comfort in the community,
being part of a community where they don't feel alone.
And by the way, >> I get that.
>> I think every guy that's ever existed goes through a phase where
they're involuntarily celibate.
>> Poor bastards.
It's just >> No, yes.
>> You get what I'm saying?
>> This is gonna shock everyone, but
I was not at all points of my life killing it, okay?
>> I am shocked John.
>> Yes, I know.
>> [LAUGH] >> So far back in the ancient primordial
past that most people wouldn't remember it, but yes.
So by the way, that's an issue that can be psychologically damaging and stressful.
>> Absolutely. And wanting a community to help you
get through that makes all the sense in the world, just the community.
Some of these communities put together doesn't seem like the best for
the individuals or for society.
>> When we hear about incel communities,
it's usually because of the toxicity within them.
And I think this story is a good example of that because you should be happy for
your homie.
He finally graduated out of the incel community and
now is enjoying himself, if you will.
Now, anyway, before we get to the details of this completely absurd story,
we have to give you some context about the incel group and what have you.
So this whole saga revolves around the now former incel known as Komesarj, okay?
So he used to moderate an incel forum called incels.is.
Now, while we're gonna have some fun with the story, we do have to make clear
that the incel community that we're discussing is unfortunately comprised
of people engaging in misogyny, if you will, misogynistic statements, comments.
So let's give you a few examples.
So based, and it's a quote, tweet to women exist to give me sex.
Yeah, man, so based.
All right, that aside, let's jump in.
So on Monday, this guy posted this on social media.
I feel a lot of mixed feeling about leaving the incel community.
While it feels good to no longer be incel, I'm going to miss all the friends and
connections I've made.
To all of you who have supported me over the years, thank you.
I start a new chapter in my life, albeit late.
>> That is fascinating.
>> And it is a little later in life, he's 33 years old, okay?
So it took a little bit of time, and that's okay.
Everyone has their own journey their own path,
it doesn't mean that there's something wrong with you, right?
So in a later post, though, he said that his girlfriend is 19.
She's an adult.
I'll just leave it there.
Now, he got plenty of congratulatory messages in response to that,
but he also got >> From the community?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay, good.
>> Yeah, and for those guys, I applaud you.
It's good to be supportive, I'm happy that they didn't lose it.
However, others did lose their minds over this, okay?
So I'm gonna give you a few different examples.
Let's start with this one, don't worry, no one will miss you fakecel.
I hope that, no, I'm not gonna read that.
That's terrible.
All right, >> I don't know why that individual is
having trouble finding love.
>> Yes, shocking. >> I can't come up with any explanation.
>> I mean, I feel like they would know how to communicate effectively with women, so
I don't know what's wrong here.
Other comments, traitor.
>> Traitor?.
>> This the equivalent of LeBron retiring,
the incel community has lost their biggest prospect.
>> I love that the person's handle is wasted talent,
implying that this is a genre of commentary that they engage in.
>> Okay, this is my favorite because it reminds me of some leftist on Twitter.
He was never an incel if he was able to get laid, especially through discord.
>> But what does that mean?
Like the whole, you're never a leftist anyway,
but in this context, it's the incel thing.
I don't know what it means, it's nonsense.
>> He waited years of being an incel or whatever.
And that wasn't good enough for you people?
>> He was 33 when he lost his virginity, what do you mean?
>> Yeah, look, I'm glad that there were some people that were happy for
him or whatever.
And by the way,
I'm sure there are incel communities that are more productive or positive.
There definitely is a thing where it's not about this is a bad thing, and
together we'll get past it,
it's kind of like get rid of your hope because your hope is gonna give you pain.
So just assume that you're always gonna be like this and shroud yourself with
something new, which is hatred and fear of everything else in the world,
which definitely does not help these people.
The reason I had said that that guy's previous comment was fascinating was and
I get that he's starting a relationship,
which I think is an important part of this.
It's not just he hooked up with someone and now he's like, and
now I enter the next phase of my life.
But a lot of the guys in that community probably feel like that is true,
that if you just had sex once, then everything changes.
And I guess definitionally, it has.
>> It kind of does, though.
>> Does it?
>> If your whole community is based on not being able to get laid,
>> Sure,
to them, but I'm saying it isn't the most important thing ever.
You could have one brief, unsatisfactory sexual experience and
then go right back to being a hateful ahole that nobody wants to be around.
>> Yeah, that's true too.
>> Being a better person that people want to be with is an attainable goal.
>> No, it is absolutely.
But it seems like they've lost the plot, right?
It seems like they went from, this is our support group for
men who are frustrated because they haven't gotten laid yet.
To not getting laid is now our identity and
we must protect that identity at all costs.
That's the sense that I'm getting from some of these commenters.
Here's a few more examples.
If you ascend, you were never an incel in the first place.
>> That's not how time works.
Things move on, events, causes.
>> I just wanna give these guys a hug and tell them it's gonna be okay.
One day you too will get laid.
This is just a normal part of life.
No, I think they will,
they just need to like >> I'm not talking about people in
general, I'm saying the individual people who posted those comments seem to be
pretty aggressive.
>> Your participation in this group certainly minimizes the likelihood
because you're not going out there, you're not socializing.
You're on this online forum where you're stewing in your bitterness and
resentment, that's not going to help you.
By the way, this truly bizarre exchange was also a highlight.
I'm gonna give that to you right now.
So one person says, it's honestly disgusting that you betray
your community when some chick finally settles for you.
>> I love the dig that she's settling.
[LAUGH] Yeah, I wonder why this guy wants to leave this community, they're so
nice and supportive.
By the way, I'm not even down on them for being in a community that turns bitter and
resentful, I'm involved in a lot of subreddits.
All of them generally are bitter and resentful.
The WWE one I'm in is bitter and resentful about everything that happens.
The League of Legends, what I was in, thinks every champ is OP,
there's lots of communities that are not super positive.
That doesn't mean that you can't find love.
The issue is if the thing that you are trained to be bitter and resentful about
is your place in the world, how women have done this to you, how it's
a part of all this big conspiracy, then that is not gonna help you.
You can be bitter and resentful about a lot of stuff and still find love, but
you are being like, you think these people might be supportive of you.
They're not trying to help you, they're trying to keep you down.
It is a toxic community, not just towards the world, but towards you.
>> John, why can't you start a community for young men and inspire them?
>> I'm sure the audience can come up with a lot of reasons, but I'm not against it.
I talk about masculinity a lot, I try to demonstrate a better path forward.
>> Yeah, you should.
>> I'm married, having a kid.
>> John's doing well, guys.
>> I'm trying. >> And he's a good guy.
He's one of the best guys I know.
>> Thank you. >> Yeah.
>> It's possible.
I wasn't popular in elementary school or high school, it happens.
>> Yeah, it's just part of life.
It's part of growing up and you're gonna be all right.
But don't immerse yourself in toxicity, it's not gonna do you any favors.
I wanna go back to graphic nine cuz I want to just kind of go through
this exchange that Komesarj had with this guy, AJ, 0926961.
It's honestly disgusting that you betray your community when some chick finally
settles for you.
To which Komesarj responded, well, enjoy being a virgin for some weird cause.
No one wants to be incel.
You're not Jedi.
And in response to that, AJ says, this is why the incel
community will never start a movement and bring about change.
I'm not gonna read that, it only takes one lady.
It only takes one lady to sacrifice herself and
give some crumbs of >> I don't even wanna guess.
And the whole movement would collapse due to too many but, what movement AJ?
>> Betraying?
>> What movement AJ?
>> Bring change?
>> What's the movement?
What are you trying to accomplish here?
What do you mean movement?
>> What is the change, that people shouldn't be allowed to decide who they
have sex with and choose for themselves who that is?
I don't know what that person believes and I wanna be very clear,
I don't really care, I'm gonna forget they exist now.
But look, there was the thing >> Why they have such a memorable handle.
>> Yeah, there was the thing with too many numbers.
There was a thing with Stephen Crowder where he seemed to be at least implying
that he thinks you shouldn't be able to get divorced if you want to.
There are definitely people who believe Jordan Peterson made comments like this,
that dating and sex should not be a thing where everybody goes out,
they decide who they wanna be with, they consent to it, and then it happens.
They think it should be structured.
They think the economy should be like, everybody go wild, do whatever you want.
But in the dating economy, the government should figure it out or society or
your parents or whatever, cuz they think it's chaotic, they're scared of it.
And so they want someone to make the decisions for them and not for
them so much as for the woman and
force a woman to sleep with someone she apparently doesn't want to.
>> I wonder if there are maybe some asexual people included in this group,
and they find comfort being around others who aren't having sex.
I don't know if that's what this person is referring to.
>> I've never heard of that as being a component of incel communities,
I don't know.
>> Yeah, no idea, but it's strange.
And if you have graduated out of this group,
>> Ascended.
>> If you've ascended, you should celebrate.
In fact, I want more of the individuals in this group to move on with their lives.
This isn't helping you at all.
Anyway, by the way, Nick Fuentes also, like, lost his mind when
someone in his community of incels ended up engaging in a relationship.