>>
>> WELCOME BACK, I SAID THAT I WOULD CIRCLE BACK TO
IMMIGRATION.
IMMIGRATION. STEVE, THIS WHOLE ABOLISH ICE
MOVEMENT IS OUT THERE.
WHERE DO YOU STAND?
>> I DO NOT THINK THAT WE
SHOULD.
SHOULD.
SHOULD. I
SHOULD. I THINK THAT IT IS HAVING REAL
PROBLEMS AND I HAVE BEEN
STANDING AGAINST THE CHILDREN'S
PRIVATE PRISONS THAT POPPED UP
AND CAUGHT THEM OUT.
I BELIEVE WE CAN HAVE HUMAN
RIGHTS AND BORDER SECURITY AT
THE SAME TIME.
>> SHOULD THE STATES WILL BE
THERE?
THERE?
THERE? SHOULD THERE BE A BORDER STRIKE
FORCE?
FORCE?
FORCE? >>
FORCE? >> YOU CERTAINLY SHOULD NOT DO
THE STRIKE FORCE. THE GOVERNOR
HAS BEEN TAKING MONEY AWAY FROM
LAW-ENFORCEMENT.
LAW-ENFORCEMENT. THE COUNTY SHERIFF HAS BEEN
STANDING STRONGLY SAYING GIVE
US THE RESOURCES.
WE UNDERSTAND THE BORDER.
INSTEAD, FUND DPS.
>> DAVID GARCIA, YOU TOLD ME
REPLACE ICE.
REPLACE ICE. WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
>> I THINK KELLY HAS A GOOD
POINT.
POINT.
POINT. WE
POINT. WE NEED TO FOCUS ON WHAT IS
HAPPENING AT THE BORDER. THERE
ARE HISTORIC CRUELTIES GOING
ON.
ON.
ON. THE
ON. THE SEPARATION OF CHILDREN FROM
THEIR FAMILIES, WE CANNOT GET
TOO FAR AWAY FROM THAT.
THAT IS A HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE.
I BELIEVE WE NEED TO REPLACE IT
WITH AN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM THAT
WORKS AND MATCHES OUR AMERICAN
VALUES.
VALUES.
VALUES. >> WHAT IS YOUR SPECIFIC
PROBLEM?
PROBLEM?
PROBLEM? >> IT DOES NOT MATCH OUR
AMERICAN VALUES.
AMERICAN VALUES. IT IS SECURITY AND LAWFUL ENTRY
FOR THOSE READY TO CONTRIBUTE
TO THE US. IT IS THE FOUNDATION
OF OUR AMERICAN VALUES AND
SHOULD BE THE FOUNDATION OF OUR
IMMIGRATION SYSTEM.
IMMIGRATION SYSTEM. I THINK WE NEED TO GET BACK TO
THAT AND I BELIEVE ARIZONA HAS
AN IMPORTANT LEADERSHIP ROLE.
>> KELLY FRYER, LET'S GO TO
PRIVATE PRISONS.
PRIVATE PRISONS. >> I WOULD LOVE TO TALK ABOUT
ICE.
ICE.
ICE. >>
ICE. >> TAKE A SHOT.
>> I THINK THERE ARE TWO PARTS,
A VERY TINY PART THAT IS
STAFFING -- STOPPING CRIME AND
TERRORIST.
TERRORIST. THEIR BUDGET IS A FRACTION OF
THE REST OF ICE.
AND THOSE CRIME FIGHTERS WANT
TO BE SEPARATED FROM THE REST
OF ICE.
OF ICE.
OF ICE. WE SPENT $4 BILLION A YEAR
SCOOPING UP PEOPLE WHOSE ONLY
THOUGHT IS THEY DO NOT HAVE THE
RIGHT PAPERWORK.
RIGHT PAPERWORK. WE ARE RAIDING COMMUNITY
CENTERS AND WORKPLACES, THEY
SCOOP THEM UP AND OUT THEM INTO
PRIVATE DETENTION CENTERS WHERE
WE SPENT ANOTHER $3 BILLION PER
YEAR. THAT WHOLE PART OF ICE
THAT IS JUST ABOUT SCOOPING UP
INNOCENT PEOPLE AND PUTTING
THEM IN JAIL IS A SCAM AND A
MONEYMAKING BILL FOR THE PRIVATE
COMPANIES THAT DONATE TO DOUG
DUCEY'S CAMPAIGN.
DUCEY'S CAMPAIGN. >> SHOULD DHS DO AWAY WITH IT?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK WE NEED TO STOP
SCOOPING UP INNOCENT PEOPLE AND
PUTTING THEM IN PRIVATE
DETENTION CENTERS.
DETENTION CENTERS. >> PRIVATE PRISONS, SHOULD THEY
BE DONE AWAY WITH?
>> WE DO NOT NEED PRIVATE
PRISONS.
PRISONS.
PRISONS. THEY ARE IMMORAL DISASTER. WE
CAN DO ONE SIMPLE THING, TREAT
OUR PRISONERS AS THEY ARE
RELEASED FOR SUBSTANCE ABUSE.
EVERY YEAR ACCORDING TO THE
DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS 70%
OF THOSE RELEASED HAVE AN
ACTIVE SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROBLEM.
WE HAVE A PROGRAM THAT TREATS
THEM, BUT WE ONLY TREAT 900 PER
YEAR INSTEAD OF THE 14,000 WE
SHOULD.
SHOULD.
SHOULD. IF YOU TREAT THESE 14,000, AND
IT HAS BEEN PROVEN THEY ARE
HALF AS LIKELY TO COME BACK TO
PRISON AND COMMIT MORE CRIMES
YOU WILL HAVE 7000 YOU ARE
VICTIMS AND 7000 MORE PEOPLE
CONTRIBUTING TO SOCIETY.
>> DAVID, YOUR ANSWER?
>> ARIZONA HAS ONE OF THE
HIGHEST INCARCERATION RATES IN
THE COUNTRY, A WASTE OF
TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND HUMAN LIVES
. OUR FOCUS NEEDS TO BE MAKING
SURE WE ARE MAKING DECISIONS
THAT FOCUS ON REHABILITATION,
TREATMENT, CLOSING THE SCHOOL-
PRISON PIPELINES AND ULTIMATELY
CLOTHING PRIVATE PRISONS.
>> THESE THINGS ARE RELATED.
WE NEED TO STOP ALLOWING PEOPLE
TO MAKE A PROFIT OFF OF OTHERS
SUFFERING. WE SPEND $1 BILLION
ON CRIMINAL JUSTICE.
ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I WILL
DO IS END CONTRACTS WITH
PRIVATE PRISONS AND DETENTION
CENTERS.
CENTERS.
CENTERS. >> WHEN WE COME BACK WHAT THE
CANDIDATES WANT TO KNOW FROM
EACH OTHER AND OUR BONUS FIFTH
SEGMENT THAT YOU CAN