>>> I AM JOINED BY DR. NATALIE
AZAR.
WE JUST SHOWN FOOTAGE FROM A
HOSPITAL ROOM.
DO YOU THINK THAT RHETORIC AND
FRAMING IS BEING ECHOED FROM
WHAT WE ARE HEARING AT FOX?
>> I THINK IT IS SURE US WHETHER
IT IS NEWS MAX OR ONE AMERICAN
NETWORK OR FOX.
CABLE GOT A LOT OF
DISINFORMATION COMING OUT.
I THINK FRANKLY SOME PEOPLE IN
THOSE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE BECOME
TO REALIZE THAT IT IS COMPLETELY
IRRESPONSIBLE AND IT COULD LEAD
TO PEOPLES DEATH TO SUGGEST
THEY DONT NEED TO GET
VACCINATED TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE ARE SOMEONE IN FOX WHO
THERE ARE SOMEONE IN FOX WHO
CONS TO BE, QUOTE, "ANTI-VAXER"
WHICH IS A HUGE BREAK FROM WHAT
WE HAVE BEEN HEARING FROM FOX.
IT IS A STEP BUT IT IS A BABY
STEP AND FRANKLY SOCIAL MEDIA
AND CABLE TV HAVE BEEN A HUGE
PROBLEM AND TO SOME EXTENT, YOU
CANT TRUST WHO YOU ARE TALKING
TO BECAUSE OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND
OTHER TV PLATFORMS.
>> DOCTOR, HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH
THIS FROM PUBLIC HEALTH
PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE IF YOU
DIVIDE IT UP SIMPLY AND SAY
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE
RIGHT FACTS AND THEY GET
VACCINATED AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE
THE RIGHT FACTS AND MAKE AN
INFORMED CHOICE NOT TO.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS OTHER
CATEGORY, I SEE A THIRD AND
FOURTH, THIRD IS THE PEOPLE WHO
HAVE THE WRONG INFORMATION ABOUT
THE VACCINES, THATS ABOUT THE
SAFETY AND FOURTH IS WHAT IS WE
JUST SHOWN, YOU ARE NOT TALKING
ABOUT WHETHER VACCINES WORK, YOU
ARE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER THERE
IS AN EFFORT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE
TO GET IT WHICH -- IT IS FOR
REASONS.
HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THAT FOR
PUBLIC HEALTH?
>> WELL, LOOK, I MEAN CERTAINLY
IT WAS AND BEEN SURPRISING ALL
ALONG AND FORTUNATE THAT
COVID-19 AS AN IN FERKSFECTION A
PANDEMIC AND MASKS AND VACCINES
JUST FELL ALONG THIS POLITICAL
FAULT LINE.
UNFORTUNATELY, THATS THE CASE.
I DEAL WITH THIS EVERYDAY IN MY
OFFICE.
I USUALLY END EVERY ENCOUNTER
WITH HAVE YOU GOTTEN THE VACCINE
YET AND IF THE PATIENT SAYS NO,
I SIT DOWN AGAIN AND WE SPEND
THAT EXTRA 10 OR 15 MINUTES
ENGAGING IN THE PATIENT IN THE
CONVERSATION.
IT STARTS WITH ONE OF MY
QUESTION IS WHERE DO YOU GET
YOUR INFORMATION?
IT ABSOLUTELY ON SOCIAL MEDIA
AND DIFFERENT NEWSPAPERS AND
COMMUNITIES AND I SAY WELL, YOU
KNOW WHAT SOURCES ARE THEY
CITING AND TRY TO GET TO, YOU
KNOW, WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING
THEIR INFORMATION.
REALLY WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME
TALKING HERE ON OUR NETWORK AND
OUR AUDIENCE HAS BEEN LISTENING
TO US THE ENTIRE TIME, RIGHT? THE TRICK IS TO GET THE FOLKS
THE TRICK IS TO GET THE FOLKS
WHO HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO THE
OTHER NETWORK AND GETTING
INFORMATION TO ALTERNATE SOURCES
TO GET TO THEM.
THATS THE CHALLENGES WE ARE
FACING NOW AND I HAD A PREGNANT PATIENT THIS WEEK AND A PATIENT
PATIENT THIS WEEK AND A PATIENT
WHOS IMMUNEALAL COMPROMISE. THEY WERE RELUCTANT TO GET THE
THEY WERE RELUCTANT TO GET THE
VACCINE AND IT IS A CHALLENGE.
>> ARE YOU A I BELIEVEBLE TO MOV
OBVIOUSLY NOT REVEALING ANYTHING
ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL PATIENT?
>> I AM CAREFUL AND I START OFF
WITH A CONVERSATION WITH I
RESPECT THEIR DECISION NO MATTER
WHAT.
I REALLY DO WANT TO UNDERSTAND
WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE AND SOME OF THEM ARE ABSOLUTELY VALID.
OF THEM ARE ABSOLUTELY VALID.
MANY TIMES WE DO HEAR MYTHS AND
RECENT POLLS SHOW TWO-THIRDS OF
THE PEOPLE DO BELIEVER THE
BALANCE SHEETMYTHS
THAW HEAR ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
I TRY IN MY LIFE AND AS A
PHYSICIAN AND A MEDICAL
JOURNALIST, IT IS FACT-BASED AND
EVIDENCE BASE.
IT IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE THEIR
DECISION.
I WANT THEM TO MAKE THE MOST