quincy every i mentioned him he is on
the line joining us we're gonna pick his
brain there he is quincy avery let me
let me let me introduce this man to
those that don't know who
the expert that we're talking to here
self-described
underrated dad and overrated qb coach
but let me tell you he's doing something
right uh he is the founder of qb
takeover
he is the private coach to the
aforementioned dwayne haskins
justin fields jalen hurts desean watson
we'll get to him as well
and a couple of other prospects who will
talk about
uh provided that time permits so listen
man we're gonna make the time
for johnny yeah you you've been pros
you've been processing this dwayne
haskins news
you're a straight shooter if you don't
follow quincy on twitter you're missing
out
dropping a lot of knowledge on twitter
for free uh what do you make of
washington's decision
to bench dwayne haskins what 10 starts
in this career
yeah i'm disappointed on all levels the
inability to have um really the
flexibility
to help him out grow through some of the
struggles that you'll have as a
young quarterback he's probably started
less games in
any quarterback in the nfl um from
college to nfl level he didn't start a
ton of games at ohio state
and has had the opportunity to start a
bunch of games with the washington
football team
then he goes from one system where the
head coach made it known that they
didn't want him on a football team
to the next system where he's with a
coordinator um who's had some struggles
in his last few stops so
he's not being in put in a position to
be successful and that's kind of where
we are right now
yeah you know quincy i mean we were just
talking about it
what do you think what do you think uh
dwayne needs is it just
time is it time or is it time and
maybe a different coordinator or a
different system what do you think he
needs
so i'll be honest dwayne hasn't played
great to start the season
like we we all got to be honest there
but what he does need is somebody have
some real faith in him
um and just a little bit of time to
mature and develop
he's he hasn't had that many steps at
the quarterback position
he's thrown less than uh 500
footballs in the national football
league like he just hasn't had the
opportunity to grow and develop and see
the game at the speed
at which it happens so if he gets time
and then they can say all right he
doesn't have it
or he does have it then that'd be fair
but he just now hasn't had the time
in that offense without an off season to
truly be successful
um is there anything else uh happening
here
and i want to ask that because ron
rivera he alluded to something like you
know the frustration on the sidelines
like
you know that teammates have and i want
you to address that in particular like
people don't see
how the team is reacting to dwayne when
he makes repeated mistakes i also loved
your insight on
how dwayne as a first-round pick
in a in a pressure cooker of a situation
which they all are but you know
obviously washington has a unique set of
circumstances
how he's dealing with being the
quarterback being the franchise
quarterback trying to be a leader on
that team
has he struggled in that area i think
he's growing and developing
right he hasn't been the leader of not
only an nfl team but a
college team for that long like he just
hasn't had many reps of doing that
i mean he's a young guy you have to grow
and you have to develop in terms of
understanding from that aspect like how
do i do a better job of doing this
and if you aren't given the opportunity
to understand how to do it
and the structure around you to do it
correctly um you can't expect somebody
to get better at it
you know uh quincy michael smith gave
you the great intro
and i want to ask you a little bit more
about you before we get to some of your
other guys
that we're going to talk about what made
you want to do what you're doing right
now
i'm just fascinated by the business
the business that you're in what made
you uh just say okay this is it
well i had the opportunity to coach at
the college level and i realized that
that really wasn't for me but i wanted
to have an impact
on black quarterbacks specifically so
that they would have a mentor somebody
who looked like them
someone who had been through a lot of
the things that they went through that
could advocate them
let them know that they had a supporter
they could also support them on the
field and give them the tools
necessary so that they could be better
better tooled to go out there and handle
the situations
that oftentimes we weren't ready to
handle because we didn't get the same
level of coaching as others
yeah we got your tweet on the screen now
um you know from
really from early this morning
developing or being average is not
something that they allow black
quarterbacks to do
uh is that what we're seeing in dc like
it's just he's
and i put up before you join us i put up
your blind quarterback test
are we seeing some of that at play in dc
where he's not and people need to
understand the distinction here quincy
he's not being benched because he's
black because that's where people tend
to go
when you bring up the black quarterback
um you know struggle
it's that because he's black he doesn't
get the benefit of the doubt that white
quarterbacks do they don't get the
patience
that white quarterbacks traditionally do
and you know we talked about the
patience but it's also this
the coaches in the quarterback room
don't understand him and relate to him
in some of the things that he's doing in
the same way that they would understand
and relate to a white quarterback
so the things that they do that are just
culturally different than the way that
white guys may do it
in that same quarterback room cause a
bit of strife and they don't know how to
handle that
and the thing that he does they may say
ah we don't understand this guy or we
can't get to him
he's not like the other guys in the room
let's move on
so we just don't get the same
opportunity like if yeah if you're the
elite guy you're the best guy in the
room and it's hands down without a doubt
he's the guy who's gonna take our
franchise over then you get those
opportunities you're the guys can go
golf with the guys in the quarterback
room
you can do all these other different
activities that allow you to be more
socially acceptable to the guys in the
quarterback room
dwayne is not that he's very different
than those guys in the room
and those are the little things that
kind of creates
uh the divide between black quarterbacks
and white quarterbacks in the nfl
i'm not saying that he's yeah exactly
i'm not saying he's bench
because he's a black quarterback that's
not it at all but because he's a black
quarterback
he's not afforded with the same
opportunities to do the things that
other
white or other quarterbacks um in his
situation will be afforded
questions let's flush it michael these
are the conversations that he had
i'm sorry sorry go ahead i didn't mean
to cut you off no no just real
i just wanted a quick follow-up mike
that's all and then and then your
question
uh i just wanted quincy to flesh that
out a little bit just so people
understand like so some of the cultural
differences
they don't understand that dwayne is
doing other black quarterbacks do that
maybe the white guys don't do like just
uh you have an example or two
your chains the change you were in in
the facility right that's not how a
quarterback looks
you're not polished like the
quarterbacks that we've traditionally
seen
the flashy car you drive the rolex the
you know the ice out
all the things that we grew well i grew
up and a lot of other black kids grew up
wanting and couldn't wait to have they
have the opportunity to get those things
they get them and when you come into
organization that's not how they saw a
quarterback looking
they didn't see a guy with praise and
they didn't see those things
and that makes them uncomfortable
they're not going to say hey we don't
like you because you have this and that
but when they have the opportunity to
draft somebody else or some of you
they're going to go in that direction
and that's kind of what i found out
about
when the the new york giants selected
daniel jones
the gm didn't want anybody who was any
anything like
cam newton because he had just had just
been the
general manager of the carolina panthers
and he just didn't want that like that
was hard for him to deal with
so he didn't want dwayne they didn't
really look at dewayne and didn't give
him a fair shake
so those are the type of things that i'm
talking about those situations make it
very very difficult
for black quarterbacks to be successful
i'm really asked i'm really glad you
asked that follow-up michael that was
that was illuminating
and yeah this is the type of real talk
you know that you had last summer i
believe it was when you put together
uh you convened the black quarterback
club and oh by the way i just also
wanted to point out too while it's on my
mind
in july the athletic had its 40 under 40
rising stars shaping the direction of
the nfl and this man was
one of them and he's not currently on
the nfl team but let's switch teams to
probably your most high profile
uh quarterback and that's desean watson
busy week down in houston
uh what are your feelings on the
dismissal of bill o'brien and the
potential for
to sean with the texans to maybe do
what they did a couple of years ago and
turn the season around
i think that there's an opportunity
there i think that there's a lot of
shortcomings with the organization just
the
what they have in terms of talent
they've given away a lot of draft
capital in the past couple years but i
think
desean has a unique opportunity to
really rally the ball club around him
become the true leader of the team like
he does a lot of great things at the
quarterback position
but now it's time for him to take this
franchise over he's now the 40 million
dollar guy
he's got some things that he can do to
take this team to the next level
um and that's really the things that i
challenge him with like all right you've
done a lot of great things in your first
three years
now for the back half of this year four
it's on you to take this franchise over
so that when you get a new head coach of
your ball club
that they're really excited about the
direction that things are going
and what do you think deshawn's ceiling
is i mean he just turned 25
we've been talking about patrick mahomes
as a 25 year old quarterback and we've
been raving about him
lamar jackson's been getting a lot of
love but how about desean what
where do you see him going
yeah i really think desean has the
opportunity to be not only a super bowl
champion but a hall of fame level
quarterback
we see the things that patrick mahomes
doing he has an offense
that's been tailor fit for him that has
really allowed him to be successful
they put the pieces around them the play
callers around him that put him in
situations where
it's it's likely for him to be have
success if deshawn watson was in that
offense i'm not saying they do
the exact same things that they're doing
with patrick mahomes but they would be
doing
really really well and i think that the
way he'd be looked at right now
is probably as a super bowl champion and
the top quarterback in the league
so when he gets somebody who can put him
in the situation to be
successful in the same way that a lot of
other quarterbacks are lamar jackson has
the offense taylor
taylor fit for him patrick mullins has
the offense at taylor fit for him
russell wilson this year we're seeing
what it's like when the offense is built
around him doing the things that
he's really successful at i can't wait
to see desean get that opportunity
and i think that we won't just think of
him as a top five quarterback in nfl
we think of him as one of the best the
absolute best quarterbacks in national
football league
it's just mind-blowing quincy to think
to think that he has not gotten that
opportunity to this point what the hell
were you doing bill o'brien
if you had to show watson running the
ball three times from the four yard line
when you're down eight any
it's just i shouldn't be surprised but
it's like of course so maybe somebody
like
the enemy comes in deandre hopkins those
are two guys
so maybe somebody like eric bienema come
in and actually tailor the offense to
fit desean watson what a concept
yo everybody on this show quincy will
tell you
that for about a week now i have had in
my feed
my personal rundown trey lance i've been
wanting to talk about this kid because i
was looking
forward to him against was in central
arkansas the kid that threw 28
touchdowns and no picks
last year and ran for 1400 yards
the redshirt sophomore that everybody
was talking about i'm fascinated by him
and yesterday i think he declared
officially for the 2021 draft
will not participate in the spring
season um
you're training him correct yeah we'll
be trading he's going to get down to
atlanta next week and we're going to
start the process
of getting ready for the nfl draft so
it's going to be a long road
it's going to be different than anybody
else's process because we have so long
it's unlike anything we've really had to
deal with before but i think that we're
going to put trey in a position
to uh continue to move up the draft
boards because he's not only a special
quarterback but he's a special person
yeah is he the truth because i mean you
also have justin fields so it's like
you know is he is he somebody who like
is is he the same
mold as fields because i've seen people
that they're giving the number one
overall pick
to trade uh to trevor lawrence excuse me
but i've seen people that have trained
lands above
justin fields you know or even or just
just as
much potential on their draft boards how
would you compare contrast fields and
lance
so it's really hard for me to compare
them and i can tell you this
that they're both guys who are going to
go into an nfl franchise and on day one
they're gonna be able to take over and
there and guys in the locker room are
gonna look at him like
i can't wait for him to be my
quarterback for both those guys
and i think that people talk about
trevor lawrence like he's head and
shoulders above those guys and i think
that that is
a bit of like just narrative he got an
early narrative built
like he was just so special um but these
guys have special traits
and they do a lot of things that trevor
can't do so we should be talking about
them in the same light
and i think that whoever gets the number
one pick would be foolish
to not look at both of those young men
as somebody who who they could take
uh with that number one selection hey
quincy
we're gonna do a draft show and we're
gonna have you all
yeah you gotta go oh oh great show next
week
i mean we i can do this weekly with you
qq
[Laughter]
i'm trying to do it so you know we're
ready all right
taking us to school man no wonder you
got a quarterback school hey man
congratulations on your success
all your prospects man you're clearly
doing something right talking about
uh oh underrated dad and overrated qb
coach you're great at both i'm sure man
appreciate you
thank you i appreciate y'all y'all have
a blessing
all right you too thank you man
we talked about trey lance mike