>>> I FEEL FOR THESE PEOPLE.
MANY OF THESE PEOPLE ARE MY
FRIENDS, AND I KNOW THEY ARE
GETTING MANY CONCERNS AND MANY
WISHES EXPRESSED TO THEM FROM
THEIR CONSTITUENTS, BUT YOU
KNOW, THEIR ANSWER HAS BEEN TO
CONDUCT YET ANOTHER AUDIT LED BY
A GUY WHO INDULGES IN HUGO
CHAVEZ CONSPIRACY THEORIES.
MY ANSWER IS SIMPLY TO TELL THE
TRUTH.
TELL THESE PEOPLE, I AM SO
SORRY, YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO
REPEATEDLY OVER THE LAST SIX
MONTHS, AND MY HEART FEELS FOR
YOU, BUT ITS JUST -- ITS A
LIE.
>> WHAT A NOVEL IDEA.
I AM SO SORRY YOUVE BEEN LIED
TO.
THAT WAS THE HEAD OF THE
MARICOPA COUNTY, ARIZONA,
ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT EXPRESSING
HIS ANGER AND DISAPPOINTMENT
WITH LEADERS WHO PEDDLE TRUMPS
BIG LIE OF A STOLEN ELECTION.
MORE THAN SIX MONTH AFTER THE
ELECTION, THE FALLOUT FROM
TRUMPS CONSPIRACIES IS
EVERYWHERE FROM THE FAUX AUDIT
OF MILLIONS OF BALLOTS IN
ARIZONA TO THE WAVE OF VOTER
SUPPRESSION BILLS PREDICATED ON
A LIE FILED IN 47 STATE HOUSES
ALL ACROSS THIS COUNTRY BY
REPUBLICANS WHO CITE CONCERNS
OVER THE NONEXISTENT ELECTION
INTEGRITY CONCERNS STOKED BY THE
BIG LIE.
AS PART OF A PUSH FOR
ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE BIG LIES
BIGGEST PROMOTERS, DEMOCRATIC
OFFICIALS HAVE FILED MOTIONS IN
COURT TO SANCTION THE LAWYERS
AND THE PLAINTIFFS WHO BROUGHT
SOME OF THE DOZENS OF LAWSUITS
SEEKING TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION
RESULTS.
PENNSYLVANIA ATTORNEY GENERAL
JOSH SHAPIRO IS JUST ONE WHOS
FILED AGAINST RUDY GIULIANI FOR
HIS CONDUCT DURING AND AFTER THE
2020 ELECTION.
AND JOINING US NOW IS
PENNSYLVANIAS ATTORNEY GENERAL,
JOSH SHAPIRO.
YOU AND I WERE TALKING IN
REALTIME, BUT PENNSYLVANIA
REALLY WAS THE TEST STATE FOR
THIS PUSH TO DELEGITIMIZE THE
ELECTION RESULTS, FROM THE
EARLIEST DAYS AFTER THE
ELECTION, AND I WONDER HOW IT
FEELS NOW.
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU AND I DID
TALK IN REALTIME AS THESE ISSUES
WERE BEING LITIGATED, AND THE
ELECTIONS WERE BEING CERTIFIED.
AND THATS EXACTLY WHAT
HAPPENED.
WE HAD A SMOOTH AND SAFE
ELECTION.
THE RESULTS WERE CERTIFIED.
THE ISSUES WERE LITIGATED.
AND YET THE BIG LIE CONTINUES
EVEN TO THIS DAY, NICOLE, WHERE
YOU HAVE THIS BIG LIE FUELED ON
IN PART BY DONALD TRUMP BUT ALSO
IN PART BY THE UNETHICAL CONDUCT
OF SOME ATTORNEYS, RUDY GIULIANI
AND OTHERS.
AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE CANT
ALLOW THEM TO USE THE COURTS OF
THE UNITED STATES TO PERPETUATE
THAT BIG LIE AND TO DO SO
WITHOUT ANY CONSEQUENCE.
THEY HAVE NOT ONLY HARMED OUR
DEMOCRACY, BUT THEY HAVE COST
TAXPAYERS HERE IN PENNSYLVANIA
AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY MILLIONS
AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
>> AND THEY THREATENED ALL OF
US.
THERES AN INTERSECTION WITH THE
BIG LIE AND THE CURRENT DOMESTIC
VIOLENT EXTREMISM THREAT.
BUT YOUVE WRITTEN A LETTER FOR
THE AGES.
I WANT TO READ SOME OF IT.
MR. GIULIANI PEDDLED FALSE
CLAIMS BOUT IN AND OUT OF COURT
THAT EXPRESIDENT TRUMP HAD, IN
FACT, WON THE PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTION OR THAT HE WAS THE
VICTIM OF WIDESPREAD VOTER
FRAUD.
NEITHER, OF COURSE, IS TRUE.
AND ALTHOUGH MR. GIULIANIS LIES
PREDICTABLY FAILED TO CONVINCE
ANY JUDGE TO DISREGARD THE
VOTERS WILL, HIS ABUSE AND
MISUSE OF COURTS HAD SERIOUS
CONSEQUENCES.
PENNSYLVANIA ELECTION WORKERS
HAVE RECEIVED DEATH THREATS FROM
INDIVIDUALS CONVINCED OF THE
TRUTH OF MR. GIULIANIS LIES.
AND PENNSYLVANIA SPENT MORE THAN
$3 MILLION ON OUTSIDE ATTORNEYS
TO RESPOND TO ELECTION-RELATED
LAWSUITS, INCLUDING MORE THAN
$1.7 MILLION TO RESPOND TO
LAWSUITS BROUGHT BY THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN.
THESE CONSEQUENCES MUST NOT BE
IGNORED.
WHAT IS THE PRECEDENT FOR -- I
MEAN, I KNOW ALL THIS IS
UNPRECEDENTED, BUT YOU CANT
JUST GO TO COURT KNOWINGLY
MAKING UP GOBBLEDY GOOK.
WHAT IS YOUR DEGREE OF OPTIMISM
THAT THERE WILL BE SOME SANCTION
FOR GIULIANI?
>> WE DO HAVE AN
ANTI-GOBBLEDYGOOK RULE IN ALL
OUR COURTS, OUR STATE COURTS AND
FEDERAL COURTS, NICOLE, AND THE
REALITY IS RUDY GIULIANI TOOK IT
TO A LEVEL NEVER SEEN BEFORE, IN
MY ESTIMATION, AND THE
CONSEQUENCES, OF COURSE, YOU CAN
DRAW A STRAIGHT LINE BETWEEN
WHAT HE WAS SAYING IN COURT HERE
IN PENNSYLVANIA, WHAT HE WAS
SAYING ON THE STUMP AND
ULTIMATELY WHAT HAPPENED ON THE
STEPS OF OUR CAPITOL AND INSIDE
THE CAPITOL ON JANUARY 6th.
WE APPEALED TO THE PROPER
DISCIPLINARY BOARD IN NEW YORK
STATE WHO OVERSEE RUDY
GIULIANIS LICENSE TO SIMPLY
SAY, DONT LOOK THE OTHER WAY.
MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE
CONSEQUENCES FOR THIS TYPE OF
CONDUCT.
WE DO NOT ALLOW THIS IN OUR
COURTS HERE IN PENNSYLVANIA OR
IN OUR FEDERAL COURTS, AND THERE
MUST BE CONSEQUENCES.
PART OF THE REASON WHY THE BIG
LIE HAS BEEN ABLE TO TAKE HOLD
WITH SOME IS BECAUSE THEYVE
BEEN ABLE TO USE THE
INSTITUTIONS OF OUR DEMOCRACY TO
PERPETUATE THOSE UNTRUTHS,
INCLUDING OUR COURTS.
WE HAVE RULES AGAINST THAT, AND
THOSE RULES NEED TO BE APPLIED
TO RUDY GIULIANI AS WELL AS THE
OTHERS THAT WEVE SOUGHT
SANCTIONS FROM.
>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NATIONAL
PICTURE, THE BIG LIE HAS DONE
MORE IN A SHORTER AMOUNT OF TIME
TO PUSH THROUGH REPUBLICAN
AGENDA THAN REALLY ANYTHING THAT
I CAN THINK OF.
47 STATES ARE LOOKING AT CLOSE
TO 400 VOTER SUPPRESSION LAWS TO
SOLVE A PROBLEM THAT IS
NONEXISTENT.
THERE IS NOT WIDESPREAD VOTER
FRAUD THAT NEEDS A LEGISLATIVE
SOLUTION.
ITS A CRIME AND WE HAVE A
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT
CATCHES AND PROSECUTES ANYONE
THAT HAPPENS TO DO THAT AND AS
FAR AS WHAT WEVE SEEN, MOST OF
THOSE PEOPLE HAPPEN TO BE PEOPLE
THAT CAST ILLEGAL VOTES FOR
DONALD TRUMP.
SO I WONDER WHEN YOU SORT OF
STEP BACK AND I KNOW THIS ISNT
YOUR DAY JOB, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK
AT THE NATIONAL PICTURE, DO YOU
FEEL LIKE THE BIG LIE IS WINNING
OR THE PEOPLE PROTECTING THE
DEMOCRACY ARE WINNING?
>> I THINK THE PEOPLE PROTECTING
OUR DEMOCRACY CERTAINLY ARE
WINNING AND HAVE WON AS A RESULT
OF THE FACT THAT DONALD TRUMP
WAS NOT ABLE TO CLING TO POWER,
BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE, SO MUCH
DAMAGE HAS BEEN DONE.
I MEAN, LETS EXAMINE THE
RECORD, AS YOU CORRECTLY NOTED,
HERE IN PENNSYLVANIA.
WE LOOKED INTO ALLEGATIONS OF
VOTER FRAUD.
WE AND OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT
PARTNERS.
THERE WAS NO WIDESPREAD VOTER
FRAUD.
WE FOUND THREE EXAMPLES OF VOTER
FRAUD AND IN ALL THREE CASES,
THEY WERE TRYING TO CAST AN
EXTRA BALLOT FOR DONALD TRUMP.
YET ALL OF THE MAJOR CANDIDATES
FOR THE UNITED STATES SENATE AND
THE GOVERNORSHIP HERE IN
PENNSYLVANIA ON THE REPUBLICAN
SIDE CANT COME TOGETHER AND
ACKNOWLEDGE THE SIMPLE TRUTH
THAT THERE WAS NO WIDESPREAD
VOTER FRAUD, THAT JOE BIDEN WON
THIS ELECTION, AND THEY CANT
CONDEMN THE BIG LIE, MAINLY
BECAUSE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS
BEEN HIJACKED BY DONALD TRUMP.
THEY ARE AFRAID OF HIM.
THEY CANT WIN A PRIMARY WITHOUT
HIM, AND I DONT THINK THEY CAN
WIN MANY GENERAL ELECTIONS WITH
HIM.
HE IS TOXIC, NOT JUST TO OUR
DEMOCRACY BUT TO THE REPUBLICAN
PARTY.
THATS WHATS PLAYING OUT.
NOW, WHILE ALL THAT POLITICAL
STUFF PLAYS OUT, WE WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT THE LAWYERS WHO
ENGAGED IN THIS UNETHICAL
PRACTICE, UNETHICAL CONDUCT, AND
WHO TRIED TO UNDERMINE OUR
DEMOCRACY THROUGH THE USE OF THE
COURTS, THAT THEY ARE HELD
ACCOUNTABLE IN THIS PROCESS AS
WELL.
THAT CANT BE IGNORED.
>> WHAT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE --
THE REAL FOCUS ON ELECTION
OFFICIALS AND PEOPLE THAT HAVE
YOUR JOB AND PEOPLE THAT SERVE
AS SECRETARIES OF STATE, WHAT
IS, IN YOUR VIEW, THE MOST
EGREGIOUS SORT OF LASTING
DAMAGE?
I MEAN, WE TALK ABOUT DEATH
THREATS NOW.
IT DOESNT EVEN LEAD THE NEWS
ANYMORE.
BUT I REMEMBER WHEN GABRIEL
STERLING, AN ELECTION OFFICIAL
IN GEORGIA, CAME OUT AND SAID,
SOMEONES GOING TO GET SHOT.
WE ALL TOOK NOTICE AND WE BROKE
INTO OUR COVERAGE AND COVERED
THAT.
YOUVE NOW GOT A FAKE AUDIT
WHERE THEYRE LOOKING FOR BAMBOO
BY A COMPANY CALLED
CYBER-NINJAS.
HE HAS IN HIS HANDS MARICOPA
COUNTY BALLOTS.
WHERE HAVE WE LOST THE THREAD ON
JUST HOW SCARY AND DANGEROUS
THIS IS?
>> ITS SUPER SCARY AND
DANGEROUS, AND REALLY, WE HAVE
TO SALUTE THE HEROES OF THIS
ELECTION CYCLE, THE POLL
WORKERS, REPUBLICANS AND
DEMOCRATS, PEOPLE LIKE AL
SCHMIDT IN PHILADELPHIA AND
KATIE HOBBES IN ARIZONA, YOURE
TALKING ABOUT MARICOPA COUNTY.
I MEAN, REALLY SOME -- JUSTIN
BENSON IN MICHIGAN.
JUST SOME INCREDIBLE LEADERS WHO
ARE SECRETARIES OF STATE AND OF
COURSE MANY ATTORNEYS GENERAL
AND GOVERNORS AS WELL WHO MADE
SURE THAT THE RULE OF LAW HELD
IN THESE STATES.
BUT REAL DAMAGE HAS BEEN DONE
HERE.
I MEAN, THE FACT THAT PEOPLE
QUESTION THE INTEGRITY OF THIS
PROCESS THAT IS RUN BY OUR
NEIGHBORS, THAT HAS BEEN SECURE
AND SAFE AND SOUND, WHERE
THERES NO EVIDENCE THAT
ANYTHING WAS STOLEN THE WAY
DONALD TRUMP SUGGESTS, THATS A
REAL DETRIMENT TO OUR DEMOCRACY.
BUT YET, LOOK, I VOTED TODAY IN
OUR MUNICIPAL PRIMARY HERE IN
PENNSYLVANIA.
YET, THESE GREAT AMERICANS COME
BACK AND WORK THE POLLS AND MAKE
SURE THAT PEOPLES VOICES HAVE
BEEN HEARD AND WE ARE BIGGER
THAN DONALD TRUMP.
WE ARE BIGGER THAN THE BIG LIE.
IT IS CERTAINLY INFECTING OUR
DEMOCRACY AND POISONING THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY RIGHT NOW, BUT
WERE BIGGER THAN THAT, AND WE
WILL OVERCOME THIS.
THE BEST WAY TO OVERCOME IT,
THOUGH, IS TO HAVE
ACCOUNTABILITY IN OUR SYSTEM FOR
THE LAWYERS WHO PERPETUATED THE
BIG LIE, FOR THE POLITICIANS WHO
ENABLED THAT, AND TO MAKE SURE
THAT THERE IS AN HONEST
CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED
IN THESE COURTROOMS IN
PENNSYLVANIA AND WHAT HAPPENED
ON JANUARY 6th AT THE CAPITOL
AND THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE
TWO.
THERES A DIRECT CAUSAL
CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO.
IT MUST BE EXPLORED AND PEOPLE
MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
>> WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR
OPTIMISM ON A DAY LIKE TODAY
WHEN WERE COVERING KEVIN
McCARTHY BLOWING UP THE
BIPARTISAN COMMISSION.