RAHM EMANUEL, AMBASSADOR TO
JAPAN.
>>> LOOK AT THIS.
LONG GAS LINES IN THE SOUTHEAST
AS GAS STATIONS START TO RUN DRY
AFTER THE COLONIAL PIPELINE
CYBERATTACK.
YOU CAN SEE ALL THE CARS BACKED
UP.
BRING IN RIC GRENELL, FORMER
DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL
INTELLIGENCE.
RIC, GOOD MORNING TO YOU.
HOW VULNERABLE ARE WE TO MORE
CYBERATTACKS DO YOU THINK?
>> FIRST OF ALL, LET’S BE VERY
CLEAR.
THIS IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF
THE INDIVIDUAL COMPANIES AND SO
THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PROVE
THAT THEIR SYSTEMS ARE SECURE.
TECHNOLOGY HAS GIVEN US AN
AMAZING ADVANTAGE OVER THE LAST
15, 20 YEARS.
MANY COMPANIES HAVE TAKEN THAT
TECHNOLOGY SAVINGS AND POCKETED
THE SAVINGS.
WHAT THEY REALLY NEED TO DO IS
INVEST IN CYBERSECURITY.
MANY COMPANIES HAVE NOT DONE
THAT.
I DON’T THINK THAT IT IS THE
RESPONSIBILITY OF JUST THE
GOVERNMENT.
CERTAINLY THE GOVERNMENT CAN
BENCHMARK WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE.
HELP FIGURE OUT WHO IS DOING
THIS AND PUSH BACK ON THE
GOVERNMENTS THAT TEND TO BE
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INDIVIDUAL
BUT COMPANIES HAVE TO BE ABLE TO
SAY THAT THEIR PIPELINES ARE
SECURE.
ONE INTERESTING THING, ASHLEY
IS, THAT BECAUSE A PIPELINE IS A
FORM OF TRANSPORTATION THIS IS
NOT JUST DHS RESPONSIBILITY.
THIS IS ALSO THE DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION.
SO BOTH OF OUR SECRETARIES NEED
TO BE ABLE TO SEND TEAMS THERE
AND FIGURE OUT WHO DID THIS,
WORK WITH THE COMPANIES, AND
ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THESE
COMPANIES ARE DOING THEIR PART.
THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE.
ASHLEY: WELL THE FBI, RIC, SAYS
THE DARK SIDE A RUSSIAN
RANSOMWARE GANG IS RESPONSIBLE.
SO THE QUESTION IS WILL
PRESIDENT BIDEN HOLD MOSKOW
ACCOUNTABLE?
NOTHING HAPPENS ON RUSSIAN
TERRITORY WITHOUT THE KREMLIN
KNOWING ABOUT IT.
>> WE KNOW RUSSIA IS A PROBLEM,
I DON’T WANT TO MINIMIZE RUSSIA
IS A PROBLEM BUT WE NEED TO MAKE
SURE WE’RE NOT CONSTANTLY
BLAMING RUSSIA.
DARK SIDE WE THINK IS IN EASTERN
EUROPE, POSSIBLY IN RUSSIA.
THERE ARE ELEMENTS OF IT THAT
ARE INSIDE OF RUSSIA.
WE DON’T NEED TO SIMPLIFY THIS
DOWN TO ALL OF SUDDEN SAY THAT
THIS IS RUSSIA.
I’M VERY CONCERNED THAT THE
CHINESE WHO ARE MUCH MORE
AGGRESSIVE WITH SPYING AND
HAVING SPIES IN AMERICA ON OUR
POLITICIANS, ON THE LOCAL
POLITICIANS THAT THEY LOVE THE
FACT, WHEN OUR MEDIA AND THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY JUMP TO BLAME
RUSSIA FOR EVERYTHING.
AGAIN I’M NOT DISMISSING THE
FACT THAT THERE IS A ROLE TO
PLAY HERE OF RUSSIANS INSIDE OF
THIS SYSTEM BUT IT ALSO IS PART
OF THE EASTERN EUROPEAN DARK WEB
AND SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE’RE WORKING IN CONJUNCTION
WITH ALL OF OUR ALLIES TO FIGURE
OUT EXACTLY WHO DID THIS, WHO IS
RESPONSIBLE BUT KEEP THE
PRESSURE ON CHINA AS MUCH AS
POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT
THE CHINESE HAVE A MUCH MORE
AGGRESSIVE SPYING AND TACTICAL
PUSH ON THE UNITED STATES.
ASHLEY: RIGHT.
QUICKLY, I WANTED TO GET TO THIS
ISSUE, RIC.
ISRAEL’S IRON DOME AERIAL
DEFENSE SYSTEM SEEN INTERCEPTING
A BARRAGE OF ROCKETS FROM GAZA.
HOW CLOSE DO YOU THINK THIS
REGION IS, YOU KNOW, FULL-SCALE
ESCALATION, TALKS OF A THIRD
INTIFADA?
YOUR THOUGHTS?
>> I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT THE
UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, JAKE
SULLIVAN, NATIONAL SECURITY
COUNCIL, IS PRESSURING THEIR NEW
FRIENDS IN THE PALESTINIAN
TERRITORIES BECAUSE THEY HAVE
INCREASED FUNDING FOR THEM AND
LOOK WHAT WE’RE GETTING.
WE’RE GETTING MORE ATTACKS.
WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AS
AMERICANS THAT IF WE WERE
GETTING ATTACKS FROM CANADA OR
MEXICO THOSE ATTACKS WOULD BE
OVER IN A MATTER OF MINUTES.
WE WOULD RESPOND QUICKLY AND WE
WOULD NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN.
AND SO, LET’S SUPPORT ISRAEL.
LET’S RECOGNIZE WHERE THESE
ROCKETS ARE COMING FROM AND MAKE
SURE THE UNITED STATES IS DOING
ITS PART TO PRESSURE PALESTINIAN
AUTHORITY LEADERS TO CLEAN UP
THEIR ACT AND TO STOP USING
BOMBS, ROCKETS, TERROR, AS A
RESPONSE.
ASHLEY: ALL RIGHT.
WE’LL HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.