>> Narrator: From Austin, Texas,
it's theCUBE.
Covering DockerCon 2017.
Brought to you by Docker
and support from it's ecosystem partners.
>> Hi, I'm Stu Miniman joining
with my co-host Jim Kobielus.
We're here with theCUBE at DockerCon 2017.
When I talked to John Furrier, he said
Stu, at DockerCon, we're going to get
Solomon Hykes, the founder.
We're going to get Ben Golub, the CEO.
And we're also, of course, going to get Marianna Tessle,
who is the EVP of Strategic Development.
Marianna, thank you for having us back again,
we've been having a great event.
How is everything with you?
>> Thank you first of all, it's great.
This is the second day of DockerCon.
I think we had a great set of announcement yesterday,
and an amazing set of announcement today as well.
It's really going great.
You know I have been roaming the exhibit hall,
and actually a couple of people said this
is one of the best shows they have been part of,
and this very engaged audience is great to hear.
>> From the keynote yesterday, the word that
stuck out to me is really scaling.
We talk about scaling employment, scaling the ecosystem,
and the show itself.
I was at that first DockerCon when we were
wedged into that hotel room, as Ben joked.
We had 100 more people than we told the Fire Marshall.
Because it was tight.
TheCUBE is usually a little bit smaller
footprint than we have at some other shows.
But, Austin, first of all, you pick great locations.
I mean, San Francisco, Seattle, here.
I'm looking forward to...
Have we announced yet where next year's is?
>> I don't think we've announced it yet.
Usually it happens in the afternoon.
>> Here in Austin.
Talk to us a little about some of
those announcements and stuff that you're
excited about with growing the ecosystem.
>> You know, I'm going to continue the theme you
started with scale, and obviously like you said,
a lot of things are changing, and scaling.
One of the things we have noticed more and more
are companies and enterprises have really started
to use us more in scale and more in production,
more apps, more of that going on.
One of the trends we've noticed that actually
Ben covered on stage today is
that there's not just the leading edge
of development and all new apps, web apps,
but actually, we are starting to see
more of traditional apps coming on board as well.
More traditions Ops saying,
I want those benefits as well.
I do not want to go all the way to the
extreme of re-writing my code,
and going to microservices.
But I can reap a lot of the benefits
from Docker rising and putting our tools on top.
So we're actually seeing more and more of that.
And more and more companies.
>> The discussion with Solomon, we talked this morning.
He said, Oh, I don't know what Lego set we are.
And I said, You know that green, flat piece
that you can build everything on top of,
so you can have your spaceset,
your castle, and all the pieces there.
You want to be a platform that can build.
One of the announcements you guys had today,
it's the modernized traditional applications.
Maybe you can walk us through a
little bit what that means, you know
that mix of microservices verses traditional apps.
How you guys see yourself participating
in a customer's journey.
>> Right. So, when we call this program,
by the way it has a nickname, MTA.
It's like you said, what we've seen is
customers and users that want to have benefit
across the board was if they write new code
as they have more traditional apps
with traditional stacks.
What we came up with is a way for you to move from
a more traditional to the new and
Dockerizing really quickly.
One of the things we also announced
today, is a go-to market and a program
helping customers to do that.
We have great partners we announced today
and I'm sure we're going to have even more,
whether it's Microsoft, Avalon, HPE, and Cisco.
What we're going to basically provide is
a way for you to very quickly start
seeing the benefits.
Taking the traditional app, and within days,
like five days, you should be able to get it in
a modern state and start seeing the benefits from that.
It's something that we're going to
encourage customers to do very quickly
and see the benefits.
In fact, we had a customer today, Noran Trust,
who's already been doing that, talking about the
benefits they've been seeing from this program.
>> Marianna, in terms of developer enablement,
that's everything to getting Dockerizing,
a universal phenomenon for wrapping legacy systems,
for refactoring existing code,
for building greenfield applications.
What will Docker do to continue to improve
the experience of Project Moby as an enabler of
your ISV ecosystem?
Going forward, how do you see the experience of
front-end in front of Moby
evolving to enable very
simplicity and speed of development?
>> First of all, I have to say that one of the
magic, or secret sauces of Docker is our
user experience, and the way we made
technologies sometimes that were already available
super accessible and super useful
for developers and ops and users.
So I would say that's definitely something
that we have the DNA to do.
And a project in Moby,
we see ISV's and companies,
and it doesn't have to be a company,
it could be like users, a company that can
come in and collaborate and really create
a new component, or a new project
from what we're going to put there,
and hopefully others as well is a whole
set of these Lego building blocks they can assemble.
>> Are there any plans of Dockers to provide
task-oriented skins or experiences on Moby
for different roles, different developer roles
associated with particular projects, you know,
task, or wrapping a legacy system is a
different task, obviously, from developing
a greenfield containerized application.
So to an extend, will you evolve the tool
to enable more task oriented role specific interfaces?
>> I would say as far as Moby, and across
the company, we do have this realization
that it could be that developers started to use
Docker first, but actually Ops,
and even like we talked about, traditional IT,
it's pretty prevalent.
So our thought is really to cater to all of these audiences,
kind of understand, have a conversation with them
and understand what exactly they need
and what would make them more productive.
An example of what I mentioned with the
MTA program, the Modernized Traditional Apps,
that one is targeted more towards an Ops audience.
Different things we do, we try to understand
our audience and engage with them,
and see what's going to make them most productive.
Both in terms of tool sets and in terms of how we
bring it to them.
>> Right, right.
>> Marianna, we had the opportunity to have some
of the partner keynote speakers on theCUBE,
John Gossman on from Microsoft yesterday,
we had Mark Cavage on from Oracle, here.
There's a lot going on.
Maybe give our audience a little flavor
as to some of the other partner activity
going on that we might have missed
if we weren't watching close.
>> I think we had the same conversation last year,
just explaining how important it is for us
that we work well with our ecosystem.
It's a big part of our plan and strategy,
and again confirmation that customers want
to use choice, different things,
that we're not alone in the world,
and we really want to engage with a vast ecosystem.
So you saw from Cloud providers to
a more on-prem infrastructure to
ISV's to networking providers, storage providers.
Like a whole understanding and way to be a full
platform, we really need to understand how
to integrate and how to engage with
that ecosystem, and how to help customers
have benefits of the entire thing combined.
So we've been really looking at
who are the different leaders;
Sometimes customers take us there,
they're like, hey please partner with
this company or that company.
Understanding mapping of what is needed,
and starting from Cloud, infrastructure,
network, storage, management,
monitoring, security, all the way to ISV's.
I would, since you brought up that fact that
Mark was here, Mark from Oracle.
I do want to talk about that because I think
that is maybe even a bit new and unique.
Another thing that we announced today,
the fact that we have Oracle,
Dockerizing their apps and
putting them in Docker store
and that is big, and again,
to us that is obviously big, but again,
big for user.
It's a very easy way to get software you really need.
And not only that, we announced several weeks ago,
a certification program.
The nice thing about that, if something
is certified in store, you can really use
that with a lot of trust.
You know it's been tested, it's secure.
That we made sure that it followed best practices.
We made sure that our support engagement
with the publisher.
Again, geared toward enterprises that really want
to have that confidence of downloading something
from the store and just using it.
Again, Oracle is kind of groundbreaking in
putting their software there,
and we're very excited about that and
we think there is going to be more to come.
We really are looking forward to this
being an amazing service for our users
who want to really start from components that exist
and the components that they can trust
and be productive very quickly.
>> I'm curious, how do you think of the Docker store
in relation to things like the Amazon Marketplace,
or you know, many of your other
partners have their own piece.
There really is no kind of enterprise app store today
so what do you guys want to own?
How do you integrate with partners
as you look at that develop over time?
>> For us, Docker Store started as an enabler
as we saw more and more need from users to
to basically, Hey, I want..
Let's say since I talked about Oracle
I want to use a database.
I don't want to go and Dockerize it again.
If somebody already did it and they're already prepared,
they already went through it,
why wouldn't I just re-use it?
So the fact that you can put things in this
building block and then move them around,
it actually enables the idea that you
can re-use the same component between different users.
So basically you have here something you can
do once, and many people can benefit.
So that's the benefit we see.
It started with official images long ago.
We saw unbelievable traction for it.
Users really love it, it makes them productive very quickly.
We wanted to expand it to a wider set of ISV's,
a wider set of components, a wider set of apps,
and make them available.
We, right now, see it as more of an enabler
and again it's one of those things,
listening to our users, listening to our customers,
we saw that that's one of the things that
will make them productive really quickly.
>> One of the things we saw in abundance at DockerCon
this year is customers of Visa, MetLife,
and so forth, up on stage, talking about how
they are using Docker in their business
for actual live applications.
In terms of partners, are you focusing
on particular vertical industries
in terms of partnership with ISV's and VAR's,
particular geographies?
Give us a sense for where you're going
in terms of diversification of geographies
and industries, and in terms of your focus on partnerships.
>> Yeah, and again
different parts of the stack require
different kinds of partnerships.
Like on the South end of the stack
on the infrastructure, we're looking
for partners that either provide on-prem or Cloud
infrastructure, or they can provide a set
of plug-ins that integrate with us
and a set of tools that can be used with Docker
to complete and enhance the overall experience
of users using Docker.
So that's kind of one set of partnerships
that started from hardware vendors,
to different plug-ins.
On the North side of it as we look at it,
we just talked about the fact that we have...
>> Jim: Top of the application, the application
services end of the staff is the North, right?
>> Exactly, and all the way to the content.
What you actually put inside and what you run.
>> Data, so forth and so on.
>> Exactly.
We'll form a set of partnerships there and
making sure that those components are available in store,
those components are Dockerized,
that companies can really use that, and
obviously Microsoft is a huge partner
for us in the OS and as your others as well.
>> The storage vendors, like Veritask and so forth,
there is a fair amount of data inside the ecosystem
that really you're going to continue
to develop a partnership.
>> Absolutely, Adera, Quadera,
you've seen a lot,
and we continue partner and seeing what's needed there.
Understanding we are trying to predict where
customers are today, where they're going to maybe,
what they will need a year or two from now,
and be ready for that.
>> Marianna, that leads me to my final question.
We know where you're going to be in Europe,
you won't tell us yet the location of the
North American show for next year, but
as you look at the ecosystem, how do you
see that developing?
When we sit down with you a year from now,
what do you hope to have as the progress?
>> As I look at the exhibit hall,
I am hoping that we're going to see
a bigger exhibit hall with every single DockerCon.
And, not just for fun, but really, it kind of
indicates the collaboration we have
with the ecosystem.
I would like us to be known as a trusted
and productive partner for our ecosystem.
And a trusted and productive partner for our customer.
That kind of knows to work together with
all these contingencies to have amazing results.
Like you said, we seen customers on stage,
we seen the press releases of people say
it took me months to get VM going,
it takes me seconds to get this now going.
So you see the kind of productivity
and we would like to enhance it even more
and get there faster.
>> Absolutely, Marianna, always a pleasure
to catch up with you.
We've got a few more interviews left,
two days of live coverage, for Jim Kobielus,
and I'm Stu Miniman.
Thanks for watching theCUBE.
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