- I'm a feminist.
- I am a feminist.
- I'm a feminist.
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- All righty. (participant laughing)
- How do we feel about women having rights?
- Yes. - Fabulous.
- Really cool thing. - Absolutely.
- The more, the merrier.
- What would you say is the most feminist thing
about yourself?
- I believe women should be paid
the same across the board.
Not just white women, but women of color.
You can be a person of color
and not believe that women should have
the same rights as I, as a black person.
So that's why I'm a feminist.
And I believe that women should...
Feminism is about women being equal, period.
- Yeah. - Yeah.
- For me, it's just, like, uplifting women's voices
for women's rights.
I think, like, a good thing for us to start,
like, how do you guys define feminism?
- Like, an advocacy for equity
in the institutions for women. Right?
Not just in the economy and society,
but also in government and other positions of power.
- Like, I looked over, and I saw, like,
not to hate anyone that wears running shoes,
but, like, I saw the running shoes and I just assumed.
I think that's just, like, a trope
that, like, a lot of, like, anti-feminist,
like, right wingers dress more for comfort than style.
So it's just a stereotype that I was playing on.
- I think supporting women in all areas.
So reproductive rights,
you know,
work, pay rights, all that type of stuff.
And I think being a voice for the ones that can't speak up,
'cause I find myself getting into arguments with people,
because I'm like, "I will like...
Really, like, have this conversation with you."
So I think just always supporting them no matter what.
- My eye immediately went to Emma.
I was like,
"That very much could be
a conservative woman in this group,"
just based on her outfit.
It was a great outfit. She looked great.
I guess my view on feminism is that
it goes beyond women as well.
Like, we include trans people in there
and, like, by uplifting women and trans people,
you then see a better society
and environment for, like, men and, like, other people.
You said something about agreeing with women
no matter what they do.
Like, I fully disagree.
I feel like feminism you have to hold women accountable.
Like, there are women, like JK Rowling,
who, like, leading and spearheading
a transphobia movement in the UK,
and you can't, like, hide behind feminism
when you are literally hurting women and children.
- [Emma] Oh totally.
I feel like that was just, like, a broad statement
when I say supporting women.
I think for me, when I was in a workplace run by men,
I feel like I couldn't stand up
to, like, the plate and step up and really, like,
talk about how I'm feeling,
'cause I would just get shut down.
So I think, like, in those situations,
I mean, like, if there's, like,
no one that can, like, support someone,
like, you should support them
and educate them in a way.
- What do you usually do in instances
where you're, like, shot down by a man in power,
you could say?
- Well nowadays it's different.
- [Isabel] Okay.
- If I was saying a few years ago,
I would just kind of, like, rebuttal
and just go about and do what they want me to do.
But now I have a voice, and I will kind of...
There's not, like, something equal.
I will just point out the fact that,
"Hey, that's not fair."
Like, it's just a thing of being
strong and powerful, I think.
- And so what do men do in those situations?
- Women a lot of time aren't taken seriously
by men in the patriarchy.
I think it's really important
for us to, like, let our voices be heard
and uplift their voices.
- Keep each other in check.
- Yeah, allow a platform for women to speak.
Let their voices be heard. - Absolutely.
- Because that's the most effective way
to dismantle ignorance.
- His speech seemed very practiced or thought out.
It didn't seem natural.
I think also just putting women in leadership at my work.
All of leadership is all women.
And I feel the safest there
compared to other workplaces where I've been
kind of, like, duking it out
with the boss man kind of thing.
- My bosses are all women too.
- Of course.
- I will say that, traditionally, I have had issues
with women being my boss, but as I've...
- You hate to see a strong woman,
that's what you're saying. - As I've grown...
No, but as I've grown, educationally.
Now that I know women's roles.
And so I agree with you with that assessment
that women in leadership,
it is just something about it.
I feel safer too.
- And I grew up with a family of brothers,
so I was always having to, like,
fight to say anything.
And also a Hispanic household,
so a lot of times it's like,
"The woman's here to serve and all of that."
And having, like, grown up with that
kind of, like, mindset made me go the complete opposite,
you know what I'm saying? - Yep.
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Now let's figure out who the mole is.
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- I think when people tend to use a lot
of dictionary definitions,
they were either studying up on it.
I mean, you don't have to go Merriam-Webster on us
in trying to explain it.
- You know, Emma, she's a little too comfortable
and uncomfortable at the same time.
If that makes any sense.
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Good luck, everybody.
Thanks, man.
- Thank you.
- Appreciate it. - Yep.
- I had a weird hunch that it was coming.
I'm very formal,
so that can make it seem like
I'm kind of more nervous or more study rehearsed.
- I want to expand on what you said.
(everyone laughing)
I'm wondering how you guys feel
about trans women in women's sports.
- I'm down for it.
- I'm a trans person myself,
and I think the root of that problem
tends to stem, like, with, like,
we're protecting children.
But you can't say you're protecting children
if you're kicking out trans children.
It is like a non-starter,
and it distracts from, I think,
more imperative issues with, like,
the banning of gender affirming care and, like, housing.
And that's one of my biggest problems
with, like, modern day feminism is that it tends
to center rich cis/het white women.
And I'm like, "That's weird."
- No, 100%. - How do you feel?
- Well, yeah, I just wanna see,
'cause I was wondering.
I don't know how the casting works.
I don't know if there's any TERFs or SWERFs in the group,
'cause I don't determine that to be feminism.
- Slay. Me too. - Because, like, for me,
trans women are women,
so we should be protecting all women, not just cis women.
- I have no problem with about sports and stuff,
but I also don't want to silence
the JK Rowlings of the world,
because I believe in democracy,
and I believe to know your enemy you need...
I want them to speak. I don't...
That's how they used to do things in the old days.
That's what the KKK does. They hide their face.
- Sure. - I wanna know who they are,
and I want them to speak freely
so you know who the enemy is.
- Sometimes they get a little violent though
when it turns into... - By people, I mean...
- I think I understand what you mean.
Like, you agree with free speech,
but not to the point where it should, like,
restrict someone else.
Like, you don't...
- No, but I definitely want the JK Rowlings
and the Marjorie Taylor Greens to talk.
I want them to talk...
- 'Cause they sound so stupid.
- Well stupid, but you also wanna know who they are.
- Emma, what do you think?
You haven't said anything.
- I'm kind of, like, I'm not against it.
I'm not, like, so much...
I feel like I don't have a clear answer
because in, like, with, like, kids,
like, when you talk about kids doing it,
I don't think with children.
I think everyone should...
Like, everyone's the same.
They have the same strengths and everything like that.
But I think in, like, professional sporting situations, I...
And I might need to educate myself more on this.
So this might be, like, what I need
to come outta today and do.
But I think trans women still have, like,
more strength than women, like...
But even saying that, like, they're women,
but I feel like it's not even exactly.
- She compared trans women to women,
referring to cis women as the women
and, like, kind of then referring
to trans women as not women.
I was like, "Oh, that might... It might be her."
- Like, they have an advantage you would say?
- Yeah. Like a slight advantage.
- So you might be against it maybe?
- I mean, see I don't wanna say that though
because then I'm not really
supporting all women. - Okay.
- But...
- So if it's professional, let's be honest,
if you're good, you're good.
I think if a transgender woman
went up to play tennis against Serena Williams,
and it's a transgender woman,
she'll probably more than likely lose.
- 'Cause Serena Williams is one of the greatest of all time.
- So when we talk about strength and stuff,
sometimes it's just skill.
- Yeah, so I think, for sure, like,
there's some that, like, they're absolutely even,
but I think in very limited areas of sport
there might be a slight advantage.
But things, yeah, like tennis and soccer,
like those type of things or skill.
- A lot of people get mad at trans women in sports
when, in reality, majority of trans women
that compete in sports currently aren't doing that well.
It's not like there's, like, a crazy big advantage.
A lot of them are on hormones for, like, a long time.
It's even gotten to the point where we're trying to
make a cis women who have high testosterone way lower.
- So it's a regulated thing,
so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
- Yeah. - Right, right, right.
- Well and a lot of times, let's just be...
Call it what it is.
It's about people's religion.
It's about your ideology, your religion.
- Yeah. - Yeah.
- And which again, you know, has no place in...
- They're shielding their hate.
- Yeah. Because Jesus said so.
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- Not so much what he was saying or stating,
but the fact that he
was just giving me information overload.
I was like, "You're kind of distracted me
from what we were actually discussing."
- When the question of sports came up,
Emma immediately kind of withdrew.
And also, like, as a trans person,
I'm just immediately like...
That's suspicious to me.
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- Good luck.
- Thank you.
- I could have easily just agreed
and played the game and got to the end.
But I know this is a game,
but I think it's also a game of topics and conversation.
So I'm not mad about getting voted out and how it went.
- [Producer] If you think the mole could still be in the box
and you wanna continue playing the game,
please raise your hand.
- I think we're set.
- I will still vote to continue.
But if you guys wanna end it,
I'm cool with ending it.
- [Producer] If the light turns green,
that means you have voted out the mole and you all win.
If the lights turn red,
that means the mole is still in the box
and you lose.
Three. - That's crazy.
- [Producer] Two.
One.
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- Let's go, bro.
Oh my God. My bad, my bad.
- I knew it, I knew it.
- Okay.
- [Producer] May the mole step forward
in three,
two,
one.
- Step right up.
- Yeah.
- [Producer] There is no mole.
(laughter)
- Yeah.
- My bad.
- I'm so sorry. - Sorry.
- I just knew it was you.
- First impressions, right?
- [Producer] Here's the thing,
the mole actually never showed up,
but we still wanted you all to play the game.
- Yay. - This was a good one.
- I was shocked.
I was, for certain, we kicked out the mole.
We were done. Case closed.
And I feel like I was probably too quick to judge.
- I think it's an interesting social experiment
to see infighting even within these groups.
Getting a bunch of feminists in the room
and seeing who points to another one and say,
"I don't think you're a feminist."
Extremely interesting to me.
And also extremely interesting
that I was the first one out.
- I felt some hesitation about coming on the show
just because I didn't wanna come off as someone,
as a man, accusing women of not being feminists.
'Cause it's a really weird position to be in.
I'm like, "Is it corny to go on a show
and be, like, a male feminist?"
But like, no, it shouldn't be.
- I think, walking away from this,
I really wanna educate myself more on transgender women.
That's something I've learned.
- You cannot be about democracy, equality,
freedom and all this stuff
and then sit up here and have barriers in place
for somebody because of their gender.
I think it's just our job as people
to be accepting and loving and just say,
"I'm here. I'm here to listen"
(everyone cheering)
- Can you sell this to me?
(everyone laughing)