POINT?
JOINING ME, FORMER PROSECUTOR
AND CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY.
WELCOME TO THE SHOW.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS IMMUNITY
DEAL FOR DAVID PECKER.
WHAT EXACTLY DOES THIS MEAN, AND
IS THERE LEGAL PERIL FOR THE
PRESIDENT?
>> WELL, THE GOVERNMENT DECIDED
A DEAL, IMMUNITY, IN ORDER TO
COOPERATE TO HELP BRING DOWN
SO BASICALLY HE CAN'T BE
PROSECUTED FOR WHAT HE HAD DONE,
BECAUSE WHAT HE HAD DONE, HE'S
BASICALLY COMMITTED WIRE FRAUD
AND POTENTIALLY WAS A
LISA: DOES THE MONEY HAVE TO
COME FROM THE CAMPAIGN IN ORDER
TO BE A CAMPAIGN FINANCE
VIOLATION?
>> NOT NECESSARILY.
THAT IS A CRIME?
>> BECAUSE IT'S THERE TO BENEFIT
LISA: WHAT IS THERE TO KEEP
YOU --
WOULDN'T BE A CRIME.
LISA: THAT'S A FUNNY THING.
SUBMITTING THESE FORMS TO THE
FEC HOW YOU PUT PAYMENTS TO A
LOOSE-LIPPED PORN STAR.
HOW DO YOU LINE ITEM THAT?
>> I THINK LAWYERS HAVE TO GET
CREATIVE OVER THERE.
LISA: I THINK THEY DID GET
CREATIVE.
THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM.
>> I THINK WHAT YOU SAID IS THE
IT'S THE FACT THAT OBVIOUSLY,
THERE'S SOME TIMING ISSUES HERE.
TRUMP HAD MOMENTUM IN 2016,
RIGHT.
JAMES COMEY HAD MADE THE
ANNOUNCEMENT.
THESE PAYMENTS WERE AFTER THE
ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT WHAT HILLARY
CLINTON HAD DONE AND HOW
RECKLESS SHE WAS.
TRUMP HAD MOMENTUM.
THESE THINGS WOULD HAVE KILLED
THE MOMENTUM.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE STATEMENTS
WERE MADE FOR.
LISA: TRUMP HAD MOMENTUM OCTOBER
28th.
HE DID NOT HAVE MOMENTUM JULY
5th.
THAT'S WHEN JAMES COMEY MADE HIS
FIRST ANNOUNCEMENT.
THOSE PAYMENTS WERE REPORTEDLY
MADE IN THE SUMMER.
LET'S TALK A LITTLE ABOUT
FLIPPERS, BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT
DOESN'T LIKE DOLPHINS, DOESN'T
FLIP ON THEM.
IF YOU FEEL YOU HAVE BEEN LOYAL
TO SOMEONE AND THEY HAVE BEEN
LOYAL TO YOU, THEN THEY ARE
GOING TO BETRAY YOU, THAT IS ONE
OF THE WORST FEELINGS IN
EXISTENCE.
HOWEVER, WHEN SOMEONE FLIPS ON
YOUR OPPONENT, IT'S THE GREATEST
THING IN THE WORLD, ISN'T IT?
>> WELL, I THINK THERE'S A
PROBLEM HERE.
INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, PRESIDENT
TRUMP HAS HIGHLIGHTED A CERTAIN
PROBLEM WITHIN THE FEDERAL
SYSTEM.
ALL THESE INVESTIGATIONS, THESE
LONG-TERM INVESTIGATIONS, ARE
BUILT ON PEOPLE FLIPPING ABOVE
THOSE ABOVE THEMSELVES ON
WHATEVER HIERARCHY THEY ARE,
WHETHER IT'S A DRUG GANG, A
CARTEL, WHATEVER IT IS.
THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS
BUILT ON.
WHEN THE PRESIDENT TALKS ABOUT
OUTLAWING, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
WITHOUT IT.
HE DOES HIGHLIGHT A PROBLEM,
THOUGH, BECAUSE IN THE FEDERAL
SYSTEM, THERE'S ALMOST THIS
THING, ONCE SOMEBODY BECOMES A
FEDERAL COOPERATOR, IT --
LISA: CRIMINAL INFORMANTS ARE
SOME OF THE MORE QUESTIONABLE
PEOPLE IN THE LEGAL SYSTEM BUT
LOOK AT SOMEONE LIKE BRIAN
PAGLIANO WHO WAS WORKING WITH
HILLARY CLINTON WHO HELPED HER
SCRUB HER E-MAIL SERVERS.
SOMEONE LIKE THAT IS GIVEN
IMMUNITY, AND NOTHING REALLY
COMES OF IT.
>> WELL, NO.
LISTEN, IT'S NOT ABOUT HILLARY
CLINTON.
LISA: IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT HILLARY
CLINTON.
>> FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE ON THIS
NETWORK, YES, ABSOLUTELY, SO
IT'S ABOUT HILLARY.
LET'S TALK ABOUT WHETHER DONALD
TRUMP WAS INVOLVED.
MICHAEL COHEN WENT INTO COURT,
WAS SWORN IN AND SAID THAT HE
DID THIS AT THE BEHEST OF DONALD
TRUMP.
HE'S ADMITTED TO COMMITTING A
CRIME AND SAID, OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T
HIS LAWYER WENT ON TO CONFIRM
THAT.
THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, DONALD
TRUMP IS HIGHLIGHTING IT'S A
PROBLEM THAT SNITCHES ARE ALMOST
IMMUNE FROM LYING, BUT HE'S
DOING SO IN A VERY SELF-SERVING
WHAT'S INTERESTING IS AS A
YEARS AGO, WHEN PREET BHARARA
WAS U.S. ATTORNEY, HE WOULD USE
THE BULLY PULPIT AND CREATE
ATMOSPHERES WHERE DEFENDANTS
COULDN'T GET A FAIR TRIAL.
HE WAS CRITICIZED FOR DOING THAT
BY MULTIPLE JUDGES.
LISA: EVERYONE KNOWS THE DEFENSE
ATTORNEY.
JOSE BAEZ, ROBERT KARDASHIAN.
NO ONE KNOWS MARCIA CLARK.
PERRY MASON?
THAT'S ONE GUY.