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who know way more harder than I do amendment
and probably watch the show a lot less ago than me going to
herself so it makes me hungry early
yeah actually makes me revolt the ligand revolted I try to you watch
the open houses absolute to molding
breakfast and I want to puke so as a horror fan
who was let you know okay something for network television yeah I know I a
friend of mine actually was sitting on the sofa eating next to me
just in time for perot will Graham to pictures of cutting through the cheek so
that
bailiff in I yeah there's a it was a moment
%uh so this episode is called her soon which we just read a very lengthy
exploration under go google it somewhere it's basically
it's the it's the course that to preparing you for the rest of the meal
it's about presentation it's about pairing opposites
and it been a lot always fits in what happens in this episode you when you
guys wanna give a recap of what went down
outright wants to use another will I especially love the
leads it opens with will Graham I'll
fantasizing about his own execution Obama before his trial is getting ready
to go on trial
will be waiting for this moment obviously for so long arm and the strap
I thought the handlers at first to the store this like weird straps with the
face mask which
it strange that they took of for the actual execution was a little bit a gas
chamber little bit electric chair going on there are the sort of motion in all
the other meant to be taken literally it's all ages persecution fantasy cell
initially it's him just faces as an entity and then it
the second time you see after leaders we're time reversal thing he does get to
see him kill himself
and it's his own judgment who is yeah ritualistic OVA
him getting ready putting on a suit and while we're also seeing hannibal put on
a suit and simple stops at is but his own but I
100 it up is a little details like that but I don't forget what happened here
I'm getting better are but the yeah I did this all is all about trial
it's all about the you know Jack Crawford what he's going through it all
about the
you know the reversed because you actually this please
this episode plays with her emotions because we think yeah I will get
together this animal ago no is not
like it's just all about the testimonies from
Crawford a doctor Blumen hannibal and so on which is a
which is what my problem living with us with his episode which is more than I
love the shows on my favorite shows on television but
this episode is taking a very sharp turn
from the way that the entire series play someone has a courtroom thriller
right and other hand it's a lot of his recapping information that the audience
already knows through the testimony these people in
yes we find out the Jack Crawford feels differently about it then perhaps he did
one or even two episodes golfer people struggling with the rents go to
illustrate that
are but some in some respect to feel that this episode
college trying something new and kinda spending it looks at a place holder as
always it's it's kind of like it though there's a revamping anything until we
get to the next runco
things that are going to happen it's worth noting that for the entire early
series this is the first episode that is not credited
a to Bryan Fuller as writer or call writer
mmm every single one up until now is as name I was nothing to do with over here
when you walk away no I don't I have no idea but arm
I didn't think you know I it was always so what's happening is that Hannibal
is muddying the waters by staging these copycat murders
trout but then I well okay well maybe is not have ok I'm assuming it is
someone is muddying is messing up the trial by doing copycat murders and
very similar to the way the missing information has not been released to the
public right which mirrors are
suspect and also the been like in the lawyer center here
image in a ground-rule I saw human available open ear fell out that year
was tied to
somewhat is %uh the bailiff who was responsible for stealing a piece of
evidence
there someone is trying to create reasonable doubt I was trying to reach
out to will
are numbers do it isn't doing its so well as to write
establish themselves as being the same killer because they're doing slightly
different things like killing
shooting bullets in slideshow and presenting repercussions throughout
it's something a ripple for everybody clearly what is rather so live
back to you with all the difference but
I think that's one of the issues I have with this episode is that are the temple
has never been terror as a series has never been terribly call a
about whether or not Hannibal's murdering anyone poison pretty
straightforward about it is that the title character we know what he's doing
are so because this episode doesn't show him all
doing any of these murders the audience lead to think that maybe he's doing them
but there's a lot of evidence to suggest that
he's not in there trying to turn this into some have proper
Agatha Christie mystery who is responsible I
will says things like um I felt like the killer of the courtroom with me
hannibal says that this murder is very goal-oriented
arm in really appeal to try to make us think that it's a lawyer
but he's just doing everything he can to try to get
a mis-trial I'll that leads to the question
where the slur come from examine ethyl alcohol think there is a the lawyer but
maybe a red herring and then again I feel like Campbell's a red herring
because they're going out of their way
to not tell the story the way that they normally do to not just show you with
what up I love the way it handles kinda like of fellow of bill Hamel smirks over
the audience knows what he's about to do
basically what his motivation is a maybe see how people respond to evil
I we don't get that in this episode and as a result is absurd feels a little
less focus to me
I I was still in gays I still love so very interested I love
Peter Medak directed this one he did want the best for me was what time the
changeling
art he creates a wonderful sense I love just
good limbo yet in that courtroom I mean just just need to look like a miserable
place at work yeah I think with the looking at those assets more
I mean did the the Surrey he's in the marble behind them in the military and
the interrogation room in that a screengrab periods are you see Crawford
walking down a hallway after you talk serve so
so the nixon's character and it's a long shot and the cameras pointing right down
the hallway
and on either side they're light fixtures in the life pictures cast
HH is on each side and I tweeted a bright boy last night I said
have a mistake or you know doesn't we doing this intentionally goes
there are no accidents on my show a already looked at a lot of the
production as I mean like there's the
I don't lie was looking at those those light fixtures and I was seeing
almost bars but like everyone like even Crawford in the scenes feels kinda in
prison but situation finds itself in
everytime hannibal is talking to will when
will is a actually in his cell they all we should handle from inside the cells
with and he's
behind bars kinda like calibrate the top-ranked item and Hunter
right arm so I mean yeah I love the production design and the Shaw it's so
invite limit so beautiful
it's haunting really create a wonderful sense of of place but I feel like
sometimes
you can distract from the plot it's almost like a detective in that way with
the Tahoe Nevada
almost matters more than what the story is what time will I would say that the
show is
as are directed as pushing Daisies was but just in the complete opposite color
palette
you know so for as much as that show was about 20 pops a primary color and an
almost certainly
kitschy center just kinda but you know
colorful extravaganza this show I would love to see you know
the power have been muted grey is andrew is a clear flag that doctor they they
just the run the gamut from you know
call to action you know yes I'm yet did anyone catch the
the Star Trek reference in this episode when hannibal says
I i have been that I i have been and always will be
oh yes yeah I love I love how they're creating
this wonderful connection between have one well were helpful
I'm not sure what handles motivation is anymore matter if I ever was
but I was told his story between being psychologically curious
about will actually really loving him as a friend
and and here in like I'm not sure what does he want will in jail
is this benefit him I don't think he does but he got a new there no i know i
thinkI but I think that handles learning from his own mistakes is related to push
and pull relationship
it's kinda like I want you but I don't want you and I'm gonna play with you
wanna be a real jerk for a little bit but then ima call you out your way
yeah me rescue let me rescue you and feel empowered by that
that whole line arm that when he was talking about the the potential murderer
you know his Toyota will
other and millions in he says to him you know this guy loves you
you know he's doing it because he loves you why you can ignore that love know if
you're presuming that a table doing that
that's a lot you know so I honestly think the Hannibal Los will
and now that join anderson's like out love the picture after she kinda dumb
he had no dick and he's got to work correctly staring at the chair like you
can tell you that's that was his
appointment I yeah she's a super
a but that used to be I
know it with the the line I was thinking about when you were no that was when
when
wills lawyer is to describe it or not whether the the the prosecutor you don't
rather
is talk is is painting a portrait like he wants to prove the smarter than the
killers and it is more the public know that span a ball that's like
that is what you want from the reaction from edible oil that your smile
yeah well you know the slap my think he's the smartest person in the room in
a customer
havoc at but the location you also get that it's interesting you'll get that
from children who
throughout your body the Thomas Harris another notations he's always portrayed
as kind of a MOOC
he's always at least slightly off is not completely wrong
yeah our store and get his his presentation other side others others
now says well gramm
is exactly hannibal like he's just got done exactly the wrong guy
it's almost interesting that they gave him that much credit him this episode
he gets to be wrong in exactly the right way and it has got spilled out so I mean
I told him that a little bit
hitting the road part of what's happening with Hannibal is that he is
allowing him he is allowed to function in broad daylight by
having a fall guy right next to 'em
to basically be his b.o senator Inouye like he is absorbing all the
sorta trades and and things that people would want to put onto
lecter you know we've been rightly so but he's got will is the sort of
convenient
you know guy who his is so in but that ik that he's gonna just sort of absorb
all about the job do you think that Hannibal
is using well to better understand himself
because he's putting will in a situation to become or at least be treated more
like what people will eventually tree Hannibal Lecter now so so that basically
you
wills therapy will be a
vicarious for for him yes or at the very least handles for shadowing what's going
to happen to him if he doesn't know is going to end up in
guess I catching institution he probably doesn't plan on that road but at the
same time once that eventually happen because we know it well we've seen
Silence of the Lambs
I only you you should it's quite good
but quite good but I am be but also to come look at them
acceptance eileen is an acceptance or maybe he is just building up tools that
he will need eventually when he is and will be in space
just a thought I would put us there will be an after his war the smartest
characters
im cinema I think I mean israel or now until television history
are I wouldn't put it past them the dance good good information that's
do anything right I i do we think the show can maintain an entire season
ok one character behind bars like that really seems the tether them in a way
that season one wasn't
and it has been a bad thing so far but I can see where down the road
they they're going to really well I thought that season one was all about
will
I mean it was called hannibal but I was like what they should be calling as well
gramm BNL
this season is very specifically about hannibal and all his maneuverings that
are going on
on I think eventually will get out like maybe they'll be like our culture
yeah he has to you can you can leave in there forever 10 the things
a the show is very insane cousin operates on one level as if
it knows that you know everything's gonna happen later I Q rather you see
Manhunter red regular
whatever version prefer I but at the same time it has operated if you've
never seen them before so they're always koi about that but we always know if you
are from a retirement services works
basically where this is going here well so officials are this season with that
sort of flash for have let you know here's we're heading
don't don't doldrums is both says about that
pop out to do that because there is one of my biggest grievances with a love
story narrative
storytelling today is the use that structure I love let's cut
you know flash for like five years or 12 months or 12 minutes Football Union the
future and then we'll go
Thoman earlier rather long I hate that and
I think the case but his best I feel sometimes like the gilding the lily like
we couldn't be bothered to come up with a good introduction
so we show you something really cool that'll happen later but that it always
feels like a foregone conclusion is waiting for everything to wrap up
now I will say that the opening the season was a spectacular fight sequence
the way the Hannibal tries breaking down doors like it he jumps
up you must really like I don't know what he's doing with all the other
soldiers for school I kinda feel like that sort of structure is our fault
but there are so many people on the internet who nit-pick shows episode by
episode in trying to figure out
I mean look at all you're trying to guess how to take it was gonna turn out
here
you know so I think those are like our were gonna skip we're good to go to
right now what's all this
others doesn't pay attention to be thinking too much about what whatever
your will be making a serialized narrative based on an individual
property that has an existing story
you run the risk of the audience getting border impatient might get to the stuff
that we know
right and so every Jesus movie yes like every desire or basement out with no
how not hoe norman's mother ends up eventually also we're kinda just waiting
at some point by and the address that just patting
are but with season two what they're saying is that we're not letting this go
for too long
a visit where to get to this and they were gonna move forward this is gonna be
late loss arena like
keep almost press and I but by the end of the season buttons Press
and we're gonna have to deal with the consequences yeah and then eventually
we're gonna have to get the Red Dragon will be out whatever then eventually
we'll move on and hopefully we'll get the rights the cells of the Lambs by
that a
so make it while do you know who the hell are they going to be the next judge
in this trial I
successful escrito que I
reason why don't think it's handle because the judge was enroute to
hannibal
the judge was basically just an impediment for the case and again
I have also the killer is very goal-oriented the only person who was
you the only person who's way that judge was in was the lawyer
30 reno made a final next week there was a way of but whatever but to
yeah let the most thankless role though he looks so boris like
I'll allow for little ole good
live in Lake you know we'll get the thousand yard stare down pat the whole
have mostly been the episode you know he looks so
guilty let me know what of me i didnt shi'a but I go along with your do you
know why they keep
relocating him through like when he would have to take a meeting
why he's either in like the phone booth cager ways in a cellar why he's in the
international do you want to keep my like a real men don't like if you're if
you're visiting in your from the FBI
when you get the you get one room and if you're not if you're if you're Julia
Anderson and you get the pager
either I'm just getting on the train organza mixing it up I don't like yeah
as well as a display with what we bossy hey we're gonna build K
trip where will be interrogated next week I couldn't find out
bibs right thanks for joining us for drinks and catch the next time