this right here is the h510 motherboard
now this has a big difference compared
to the last generation
h410 and that is it supports 3200mhz
however a big question you guys had for
me was does it support
10th gen with 3200 megahertz so we'll
put that to the test
very soon but i also wanted to talk
about testing this
with an 11400f with 3600mhz memory
versus 3200 megahertz memory where i
still think that 3200 megahertz and
especially
a kit like this which is a 16 gigabyte
2x8 kit
represents some of the best value so if
we take the h510 motherboard which
on the surface is already looking like
it's good value for money
and then we take the 3200 megahertz kit
that we just had
and we couple that with say an 11400f
is that going to be some of the best value
in terms of building a new gaming pc
that you can get out there on the market
well then there is only one way to find
out and let us conduct some tests
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so here's the asrock h510m itxac
so this is an itx motherboard on h510
which i picked up for 139 aussie dollars
which honestly for
an itx board with the specs that it's
boasting
does look like it's extremely good value
for money however there is one key
difference that we have to be careful of
and i was told this
before the launch of the 11th gen cpus
and that is with h510 motherboards
the pcb layer has to be six layers in
order to support
3200 megahertz if you only have a four
layer pcb
then unfortunately you are limited to
2933 megahertz
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so upon booting up the pc and jumping
straight into the bios with the 10th gen
chip there is unfortunately some bad
news and that is the maximum speed here
is 2666 so
that seems to be an issue with the cpu
itself and the firmware that intel
implements on their 10th gen cpus and
that they will require a z
series motherboard to unlock the higher
memory speeds
so there's some unfortunate news but
let's change over now to the 11400f
after of course we do some quick
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benchmarking
so just finished benchmarking the i5
10600
and we've done that in a variety of
benchmarks however what we have in now
is the i5
f and ironically enough the h410
motherboard
isn't the problem in the case of
unlocking memory speeds and especially
having the xmp profile option that's
actually locked into the cpu
communicating with the motherboard
itself so basically on both sides that's
the motherboard and the cpu side
the options have to be unlocked and then
you can finally unlock
that xmp profile or that particular
memory speed in this case it happens to
be 3 200 megahertz they were able to
lock
in with an i5 11400f and also the 3200
megahertz kit
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so after conducting the benchmarks we
have three different games here across
1080p
on the ultra low presets and this is
designed to stress the cpus to their
maximum so if there is a difference when
it comes to pc gaming
and you are in a cpu-bound scenario then
you will see that
across these four different cpus now you
may notice that there is also different
testing within the four cpus that is the
i5 10 600 the i5 10 400 f
the i5 11 400 f and the ryzen 5 3600
here i wanted to paint a few different
scenarios here and especially in the
case of the i5 10 600 i managed to pick
this up on a used deal
for 150 aussie dollars which would be
around 120 usd
now going into f1 2020 the 11400f
does pull ahead of the ryzen 5 3600 and
also the 10
400 f which is an impressive showing and
this continues on
with cs go now the graphics card we did
use for this testing was the 6900 xt as
i have been using
the rtx 3080 quite a bit lately and then
when i release the video with the 11400f
being the dedicated focus of the video i
will include the nvidia
3080 numbers with those benchmarks so
getting back to cs go you may notice
that just like f1 2020 there is a little
bit of a discrepancy here
with the 11400f numbers against the
11400f
we just tested on a z590 motherboard
versus a h510
motherboard and moving to shadow the
tomb raider yet again shows that
although the cpu
is posting out some good results it is
posting out some quite weird
and conflicting results at times
depending on the set of hardware that
you use
another benchmark i'll show for you guys
is the power consumption numbers
which when we look at these a little bit
closer we can see that 11400f although
it's pulling ahead on the numbers
it is using the most power out of all
the four cpus
shown in today's benchmark which means
while you're gaming you're not going to
be getting the most efficient experience
as opposed to the other three cpus
tested
they do all come in a similar league
when the 11400f is then out on a league
of its own technically
though intel do account for this by
including the all black
cooler so you will get the all black
cooler design included with the 11400f
this time around if you decide to go
with this cooler
versus the 10400f which is their
old-school look with the silver and
black and ugly sticker in the middle
that they've been using
for yonder actually beyond yonder i
believe they've gone with this color
scheme
since the dark ages so it's actually a
cool thing to see that they've included
this better cooler
with the 11400f however we contrast that
to the 10th gen cpus i believe only the
i7 and i9 cpus
that are non k included this all black
cooler design
so summing up the i5 11 400 f the
numbers are quite impressive especially
given its current price on the market i
believe in the usa
you can get this thing for 170 us
dollars in australia it's coming a
little bit over 200 aussie dollars
so it is extremely well priced however
now it is time to talk about some of the
caveats
if you want to get this cpu and that is
especially coupling it with an
h510 motherboard now in order to get
these results that i got here today
especially on the h510 numbers that
you're seeing here in the graphs
i actually had to go into the bios and
then manually tune the power settings
because without the power settings we're
actually getting quite low results to
the point where the 10400f
was even beating this out on an h510
motherboard and so what we have to do
here is go into the power limits and
make sure towers actually disabled
and then up the power limits to the
maximum duration as well as the maximum
wattage
on this particular h510 motherboard now
the motherboards may be different when
it comes to enabling these settings
so your mileage may vary here another
thing to be careful of
is also the gear ratio settings if you
do lock in the 3200 megahertz profile
you will want to make sure it's on the
gear one and that's to ensure you get
the most
fps possible out of the 11400f on top of
all that the cpu itself will use more
power
when it comes to things like gaming and
also productivity so basically where
that ties in with an h510 motherboard
is if you are using the cheapest of
cheap h510 motherboards then do be
cautious with this cpu because it can
draw over 100 watts
when it comes to stress testing the cpu
itself now the asrock h510m itx
actually did quite impressive for
handling over 100 watts the maximum we
saw
was in the mid 80 degree region on the
vrm and this was in a cinebench r20
stress
test however if you are using the
cheapest of cheap
h510 motherboard then that may come into
some vrm thermal throttling which will
then reduce your results
when it comes to things like gaming and
productivity before it's worth this
board right here actually represents
phenomenally good value for money
for someone who wants to especially
build a mini itx pc
maybe go with something like the 11400f
however the final points to talk about
here was the 10400f
and the 10600. now when i tune these
cpus i go with the 3200 megahertz
profile i lock that in
i drop the timings down to cl 14 and
then because the maximum is 26 66
megahertz it doesn't make much of a
difference at all for gaming
and in fact i thought the gaming numbers
on display here today from these two
10th gen cpus were actually quite
impressive so if you can go out
and find a cheap h410 motherboard and
you get some cheap ddr4 memory and you
find the 10400f
or the 10600 or the 10500 on sale for a
really good price
then don't be afraid to go with that if
you're a pc reseller of course you'll
want to go
with the 11400 f or the 11700 f because
let's face it if you're reselling a pc
the consumer always wants a higher
number higher number must mean better
right
the final thing to talk about is the
ryzen 5 3600 and over the course of the
10-400 f being released
and the price is being similar and then
now distorting to a quite a sizable gap
i would recommend thinking twice about
getting the 3600 at the current market
prices where
they've gone way over their 199 msrp
where i'm seeing them available for
around 240 usd
so that is a price increase of 20
percent so when we grab that 20
price increase and we compare it on the
10th gen and also even the 11th gen
f cpus we can see the inverse is
happening and they were coming
under the msrp or at least in the 10 400
f case
that was coming well under the msrp a
lot of the time
so it's a very good buy if you're on a
budget and you don't care too much about
the upgrade
because i will say one thing with amd's
5000 ryzen series cpus out there at the
moment
they do represent a better upgrade path
if you're going to purchase a
motherboard in itself
but that said the 11400f does provide
its unique advantages over the 10400f
of course that being pci 4.0 and also
support for higher memory speeds up to
3200 megahertz
over the 2666 on budget motherboards so
summing things up quickly for you guys
the 11400f
it is a good cpu but i don't think it's
a great cpu it will have some
disadvantages going forward even over
that of the 10400f
but i thought the 10400f was the exact
same scenario it was a good cpu
but it wasn't a great cpu it had its own
disadvantages too
which i hopefully have explained in this
video however before i get
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used in today's video i'll be sure to
get back to you as soon as i can but
with that aside we do have the question
of the day here which comes from sage
and they ask you need a lot of cores and
you picked the 5800x before the 5900x
that has 12 cores question mark i don't
get it
so basically the reason i liked the
5800x one of the reasons i liked the
5800x
before we even got into the 5900x
was because of the market availability
the 5800x going into that review
i knew it was available and one thing i
do do before i do post reviews
is i do check stock levels and market
pricing and also gauge demand
on who wants what cpus the 5900x
obviously from its msrp standpoint
was a really attractive buy but i knew
straight away when i saw that cpu and
its price tag for what it was giving
and also what i heard about rumors of
the stock levels from retailers
i knew it was going to be one of those
cases where the prices go up
and even to this date where the
questions being asked and answered right
in this video
just checking actually an hour ago the
price of the 5900x
has gone to levels that make it far far
inferior in terms of value for money to
that of the 5800x and another few
benefits for
gamers with the 5800x as it is clocked
higher out of the box than the 5900x and
it does have slightly lower latencies
hope that answers that question if you
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