so we're joined by brian fisher he is the american family association is
director of issues and alice's in the host a focal point on a after our talk
thanks for joining us on short notice prime you've got they've got to do it so
you've we we've been talking t_v_ email setting up the interview we mentioned
how we want to talk about how the f_a_a_ has been labeled a hate group by the
southern poverty law center
yet malware first heard that i said well first thing is let's figure out
well how do you get on that list so we actually talked to mark potter talk from
the espy elsie
and you know we talking about how the groups get on there so on and so forth
so we have that peace kind of we heard his side
so what i would love to hear is tony perkins has been very vocal
saying that f barcy he doesn't think belongs on that list so i would love to
hear your side of what how do you react
we'll get a shipping is david if you take their criteria there criterion for
putting in a
pro-family group on this list
is that they pavel false
birds about homosexuality
if that is their standard them southern poverty law center belongs on its own
list
because they have on their website what they call ten minutes about
homosexuality
but every single one of them is true so the reality is if the
southern poverty law center
that's out there peddling
about homosexual behavior so they ought to be on their own lives so that the
myths that you mentioned can we go you ok going through a couple of them i just
rebel pick a couple at random and we'll see
so let's will number one for example homosexuals molest children far higher
rates than heterosexuals you say that that is that that is actually true
this is absolutely true and this is according to the bureau ups
sex read
search which is not the research arm
of the american family association
snotty had not a pro-family not a conservative organization the journals
sex research
indicates that homosexual pedophiles are responsible for thirty three percent
roughly of all child sex offenses
so too do you ever hear of the what were the ones that are telling the truth
about the link between homosexuality and pedophilia
southern poverty law center is peddling fall so that belong on a relapse so this
isn't just to be clear you're referring to the eighty-nine journal of sex
research article by kurt front is that right
i believe it one yet event information product so here's the thing i'd look
this up because i in you know i hope tried to do as much due diligence is
possible and i looked this up and what it what it seems to say is that's bad
that this is actually the opposite of what cart franz study indicated so in
other words
you're saying thirty three percent assuming every case of men molesting
boys is committed by a homosexual my opinion and you tell me where i'm wrong
is that
pedophilia is not an issue of gay or straight it is somebody who is attracted
to to youth is it not
uh... you know you can't be attracted to you of the same sex or use of the
opposite sex if you are practically eucalyptus
that is homosexual attraction
not according to to those who study this in mental health they say that they did
is an issue of the preview bassett nature of someone that has nothing to do
with with gay or straight
watches simply ridiculous
david i mean i simply ridiculous cleared homosexuality by definition is being
attracted
somebody of the same sex
yet yes but that is once you are passed beat you once you are not preaching
vasant though it doesn't make sense to need to think that
big it is pretty cure attracted to someone who is preachy best and as an
adult that seems to be a sickness that is not an issue of being gay or straight
out i'm not sure i mean if an adult mayo is attracted to young
coral a member of the opposite sex run sir
if an adult male has attracted to a member of the
same sex that too is a mental disorder it's a sickness
it is an attraction to somebody of the same
i mean it's rediculous to try to say that that's not what's going on here
i mean the plane obvious facts are
here as an adult who is attracted to somebody up the same sex that by
definition is homosexuality
okay well i think that i think we're gonna have to agree to disagree on that
one uh... let's let's look at uh... i don't know maybe myth number for
homosexuals don't live as long you but you say that that is true
absolutely that's for the courting out once again to a secular source
international journal of epidemiology
they did a longitudinal study of the active homosexual community in vancouver
british columbia
they came to the conclusion that active participation in the homosexual
lifestyle will deprive a male of anywhere between eight in twenty years
of his life expectancy
and they just last year the canadian rainbow health coalition this is an
homosexual activist group
in canada
they uh... wish that they produced a list of health issues affecting
queer canadians at their current not like we're comedians
and the first thing they mentioned his lower life expectancy
so even homosexual activist groups
david are admitting this is just last year that participation homosexual
lifestyle will
reduce your longevity
now brian you know that a lot of the people who studies are quoting there
personally angry with you for for for what they're saying is is
misrepresenting their data right i mean stephanie's trapti
the safety of all i think i'm trying to let me just get the question out
stephanie strappy whose associate dean of global health sciences at uh... u_c_
san diego and she actually
authored one of the one of the reports that use you state is appears a quote
i'm aghast that the misrepresentation of these data continues in her argument is
and this is your argument is that new studies actually point out that the
significant advances in h_i_v_ and aids treatment
have significant sikit signatory improve the like this expectancies of those who
are infected
and that the landscape has changed significantly
well that's fine significantly improved
does not mean it the same or better i mean there she's admitting
that they're isn't impact on longevity may be that gap is shrinking but issues
even admitting that it still there
you claimed that gay people can choose to leave homosexuality and you base that
on the fact that some people claim to have left is that right
absolutely i mean i have met them when i pass or they have been speaking my
church
okay so i that proves that it's possible
can you understand though how it would be possible for someone to claimed they
have left
well that is not really the reality can you imagine that had the circumstance
you can get
and you can't can you understand why people
might have that uh... motivation to do that based on even being ostracized in
their communities or for a number of other reasons sisters because you have
met someone who claims to have left is that mean that people can really stopped
being homosexual
i mean i i've met people that have
i mean that is living proof it's right there
if ready very victory as
is that to say that everybody that tries to leave the lifestyle of successful of
course not
but yet it is obviously possible to change reorient yourself sexually people
are doing it everyday so
it from this i gather that logically you must believe that people choose to
either be geared be straight at some point right i mean they did pete it's a
choice
sexual b
havier is a choice
now i may not be able to do anything about the kind of sexual temptations of
experience
but choosing to yield to those sexual temptations that his always
i try to meet you can ask tiger woods
uh... what happens when you deal to every sexual temptation the comes your
way so hold on a second so when he said that people can stop being gay
you're actually saying they can just
committing sexual acts with people of the same sex they can actually stop
being gay it right
well i'm saying that every
sexual act as a matter of choice
okay but but did you see what i'm getting at here because when you talk
about you've met people that used to be day
you're not actually indicating really that they start being gay they're just
no longer having sex with others of the same gender right there to do very
different things
well all the people are popular canvases based on my own personal experience and
brent studies are bred for organizations that help people leave the lifestyle
their actual orientation does
change they develop
a sexual attraction toward members
of the opposite sex
some of the men that i had speak in my church when i happily married and and
the father of children
i'm just i'm getting so confused here and maybe i'm just misunderstanding
you're claiming that people can choose the sexual acts thing gage in but they
cannot choose who they are attracted to that is that something you're born with
but again you just said the people you know
have changed who they are attracted to ans
i'm i'm upset people are born that way i'm just now you're not too hot not
destroying a distinction
between sexual temptation
and sexual behavior
because i may not be able to control the kind of sexual temptations
that i experience but i can't decide
which of those impulses ideal
maybe i'm just not going to stand it because i'm hearing you sing
people can't control the sexual temptations that they have the can
control their actions but the people you know that are now happily straight
we're able to control the temptations they're no longer tempted to begin is a
am i hearing something wrong
na na transformation is possible
okay but i uh... uh... it's obviously happened i mean it can happen
you know even how robert spitzer
uh... he was a psychologist at engineered a bit politically motivated
declassification of homosexuality as a mental disorder in nineteen seventy
three we admit it several years ago he did an extensive study
of groups that work with people trying to change their sexual orientation
and he came to the conclusion that hit is possible missus roberts pitzer
columbia university
doesn't work for a parsi doesn't work for a f_a_a_
probably shares most of the goals of the homosexual agenda
yet he himself is that have to look at this issue insult the changes possible
yet but you know what he actually after after saying that he actually said you
know
it's possible if you're highly motivated to to uh...
switch sexual activity but cases of actual conversion from gay to straight
work his and his quote probably extremely rare and he also has recorded
in online appeal asking anti gay organizations like yours to stop
misrepresenting his research missus this is spitzer specifically and other things
that the whole time brian
then you have a track record of getting people who do research on these issues
facing find need brian fisher to stop misrepresenting my research no i'm not
betray your research i'm quoting temple beta david how can you distort somebody
your misrepresent somebody
when you are quoting pembroke pay them using their own words are not changing
their word
you're not twisting their words you were quoting them that's not melt
misrepresentation
that's quotations you know we're gonna have a a certain percentage of people
that that will claim to do anything but you're making it seem like it's just a
run-of-the-mill thing you know people that are ex-gay now they're happy we
straight
with spitzer saying my research did not indicate that that is common mattresses
does not indicate that that is reasonable it is probably extremely rare
imagery david realized
he is admitting that it's possible
when he says it's rare
he is a pain with media changes possible lets plan it out to a slaughter will
conclusion and that'll get us into our next topic which is let's say we all
agree it's a choice
and people can just change it if they want to stop being gay they can stop
being gay let's just for a second say agri with you and that all the evidence
suggests you're right
bear with me here
if it is a lifestyle choice since when do we discriminate against people based
on lifestyle choices and if you're a punk rocker a vegetarian et cetera if it
is a lifestyle choice
why would we allow discrimination against that lifestyle choice in terms
of marriage in terms of you know don't ask don't tell explain it to me
well you know we're talking here about behavior
think david for a minute about the billions and billions of dollars that we
spend trying to convince our kids
not to take up smoking but that's a silly hats
that's a silly idea because you know there's evidence that pilots
are regularly exposed to high levels of radiation because they're spending time
up in airplanes were the ozone is thinner
should we is that this is that a lifestyle choice that should also be
discriminated against an income on brighton
well now let's go back to the smoking analogy was clearly a lifestyle choice
people can't quit
yeah do it
it may not be easy
uh... some people may try and amy lapse back but we spent billions of dollars
telling people because of the health risks involved in developing a smoking
habit
don't start if you start stop and my suggestion is we spend the same amount
of money convincing our young
young people
start experimenting with homosexuality
and if you're engaged in that lifestyle
it's time to stop and will be together ok
well uh... okay so i'm not very familiar with gay sex myself being heterosexual i
know that you speak and write about it a lot so i just wanna ask you what about
the monogamous gay relationship is riskier causes h_i_v_ that we should be
telling people
no absolutely don't do that if that that's that's a lifestyle you don't want
what is risky about a monogamous gay relationship
well the problem david is drafter is no such thing as a monogamous homosexual
relationship so you look at the research
and homosexuals
will bull admit
many of them have as many as five hundred to us
thousands sexual partners
over the course of a lifetime paper give everything over what stirs if you ever
watch the howard stern show you know there's plenty of women with those red
with those records with men as well
well i mean that's a pretty
significant record and i would say to a woman
if you haven't five hundred to a thousand sexual partners in your life
you have got a stop you are doing indoor mature exposing your act your help to
enormous risk
police work dog
sake and for your own sake stop it so it sounds like you would say it's a anyone
regardless of gender or intuition if they're having sex with five hundred
people that's not good but the question remains
in a monogamous gay relationship
what is the risk there is no such thing
but that that is completely bogus how could anybody possibly bloomberg sexual
themselves will tell you that
you know i have these guys came to my church speak basic now
i was in one of the so-called monogamous
relationships but he has any ex-gay guys right
you experience yet we have an agreement me on my part but we had an agreement
that we could fool around on the side
we would live together maybe we would be each other's primary sexual outlet brent
we had an understanding
that we could call around on the side and he said that is common in the
homosexual community
yeah i i i know that the word we're getting anecdotal here and he needed to
get it sounds like there is no risk to monogamous ke relationship right
kosher very anytime you do you engage in angles
david that is dangerous to human health
the uh... rectal wall is one self spec
rent but usually torrent
so it allows any uh... kind of disease infection
ready access to the bloodstream
it's a bad idea
it's a bad idea whether you're straight or gay
okay so again working you would tell
women or men who have sex a lot of men not to do that
you would tell women or men not to have anal sex and again it sounds like this
kid is general sex tips from brian fisher not being directed at that
homosexuality
exactly right ok uh...
gay sex in domestic terrorism with great interest we heard you make the
comparison of recently on your radio program
the logical conclusion is that those engaging in gay sex should be jailed
agree or disagree
that i've ever said
i've never said anything david about jailing almost like but i'm asking allah
single parent not ever it's mike what you know i'm dancing and i am not
misquoting you mike why question is
is that something that would be the logical conclusion if gay sex is
terrorism would it not make sense to jail those people
we got up a car
few from gay porn actors
gay porn actors are out there now saying look
it is dangerous to have sex on our set without a condom
immediately have requirement that
gay actors who perform
in gay porn we need to have a requirement
that they wear condoms
so i'm showing far more confident in following the lead of gay porn actors
that homosexual activists are collapsing we ought to follow their lead knowing
the gay porn actors i know are thrilled to have your support of my question is
should it be a felony
i am
saying david
that we ought to impose the same sanctions
that gay porn actor say we are impose but i'll let them run with them on that
you're with the gay porn actors
but you've gotta realize david it was a felony offense
in united states of america and every state in the union until nineteen sixty
two well is that he was only in fourteen ninety feet until nineteen seventy two
and it was still a felony in twelve states in two thousand and three when
the largely texas really came down wealthy used to be realtor owned slaves
and blacks weren't allowed in the military we know we can cite old lock at
me
you're comparing apples and oranges there
let's talk about the theory is that many have about latent homosexuality among
anti gay activist is that alleged amid concern i mean i get a lot of emails
we interviewed paul cameron we interviewed peter let barbara in advance
of my interview with you there many people that say you know somebody who is
screwed so visibly active in trying to prevent homosexuality and and influence
what people are doing in in the privacy of their own home they must be
themselves gaining can u refute that even refuting aidid if you want like
sarah paling dozen what do you think of that
absolutely you know my point on paper would be built homosexual activist that
our cell intent
on normalizing homosexual behavior
so intent on
silencing him punishing heterosexuals
be harboring
belonging
to be strafing west really be underneath all of that anger always has been
secretly be heterosexual that's my response the accusation is that the
anti-gay activists are the ones who are really latent lee homosexual encounter
and i'm i'm saying that if that are arguments stands yeah that homosexual
activist must be lately heterosexual uh... so let's let's wrap up here you
know that you guys are going to lose on this right i mean it is obvious don't
ask don't tell be repealed gay marriages is now legal in more states than it ever
has been and certainly not going to be a number that decreases my question is
what's next my producer thought it would be abortion stem cell research for the
for the so-called pro-family groups what what is going to be the next step
well you know i really don't know that kinda depends on the cultural an state
park skate on the way it ships
uh... you know we we don't believe that the battle over don't ask don't tell is
over out by any means it may not look promising at this point we don't believe
that that battle is over
you know what the american people they would have been able to go to the polls
and both on the definition of marriage
thirty one and a whole thirty-one states
have amended their state constitutions to define marriage
at the union at one may
and one woman yeah but again i guess it's completely states have laws against
it's completely worthless to cite that because as we know we can just put
anything to a vote what if we want to put the right to bear arms to a vote i
mean nobody would back that up the if we just as people's opinion we're not going
to get anywhere you know that
laptop people's opinion david that's what they did at the ballot box
hi i understand what i'm saying is if we just go by everything that is put to a
particular vote
uh... we would still not have blacks in the military right anymore we surveyed
the military in the forties seventy to eighty percent said nope no blacks in
the military so the idea that because people voted for it it is going to be
law i would put a challenge i would even say this i would like you to join us
again one year from today and tell us tell me now will there be more
or url estates in the year we're gay marriages are legal
well i do not think you're gonna see any one of those thirty one st evident our
state constitutions i don't see anyway
that they're gonna
system and or on-demand their constitutions
so just to get an answer one year from now more or less in the same states
allowing gay marriages today
will bring it back uh... year from now we'll see what happens you have no
prediction on that
i have no predictions