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- Hey guys, Dustin with Custom Offsets,
Custom Offsets TV on the YouTube.
Today, I'm joined by Glen.
This is take number three on the intro,
so hopefully it works.
We are back with another episode of the Tier List.
So that's where we take certain generations of trucks
and rate them on our tier list
from S tier all the way down to F tier.
Pretty simple stuff.
Have you ever done this before?
- This is a first time.
- Let's go! - Leg's go.
- Should be fun.
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- Hell yeah. - You ready?
- Let's go! - Okay, so do you
know how this works?
- Kinda. - Okay.
So, I'm gonna read off a prompt.
Today, we're going over diesel engines.
We have 12 of them, I believe.
And then I'm gonna say three, two, one,
just like we do in a from the gallery
and then we're gonna sign or say
what category we put them in.
Obviously S tier is the best and then A, B, C, D, E, F.
So it's pretty simple.
We've done a couple of these before.
They're usually a lot of fun because
usually what happens is either we're really aligned
or we're really not aligned
and it makes for some great conversations.
- I got my list ready to go .
- Any questions?
- Let's do it.
- All right, I'm gonna pull my notes up here
and we are going to get started.
All right Glen, let's start with the 12 valve,
5.9 Cummins.
- Oh, that's easy.
- Three, two, one,
- [Glen] A. - [Dustin] A.
Yup. - [Glen] Damn.
- [Dustin] Exactly. - [Glen] Okay.
- I love the 12 valve.
The 12 valve is simple.
I love 12 valves because at the end of the day,
you can run them off of three wires,
like a power, ground, and a key switch.
And it takes nothing.
They swap into anything,
they run forever,
and they're just damn dependable.
- Oh. 100%.
And the 12 valve, I've never met a person that said they
hated their 12 valve Cummins, I mean,
they run forever.
They're a great reputation, very reliable engine.
And they sound nice.
Sound nice with a straight pipe.
- [Dustin] I mean, it's a Cummins, right?
So it's just loud. - [Glen] Yup.
- And not as refined as a V8 but that's okay,
'cause that's why we love Cummins.
It' simple. - Hell yeah.
- All right.
Up next.
24 valve
5.9 Cummins.
- [Dustin] All right.
- Wait, I read it and I didn't look at my notes
to see where I ranked it.
- I already know where this one ranks.
- All right.
Three, two, one,
- [Glen] A. - [Dustin] B.
Whoa! Two A's in a row, Glen.
- So I put the 12 valve and 24 valve together.
I know there's a little bit of a difference there
but both very well known engines to be very reliable.
Everyone raves about the old Cummins so
I put it up at that A spot.
- Yeah, I just put them in the B spot
because they came in the second gen.
(man laughs)
Not a second gen guy, I'm sorry.
Ope. Did I just, Ryan, did I hit that?
Did you hear that? - [Ryan] yeah.
- Wait, hold on.
Hello? Can you hear me?
- All right.
Well back to the second gens,
some of the early second gens did come with a 12 valve.
So it's 50/50 there.
- I'm not huge second gen guy.
And I know that that's probably gonna get me
roasted in the comments section.
- Yeah, roast him below.
- Because
the second gen is the holy grail
to some guys, and I get that, and that's cool.
The 24 valves were good engines.
I put them below the 12 valves because
I like the 12 valves more, they're a little bit simpler,
they're easier to swap into stuff.
I dunno. You know.
- They are definitely simpler.
- Potato, tomato.
It's the same thing.
All right, let's round out the field.
Did I mess it up again? - [Ryan] No, you're good.
- All right, good.
Let's round out the field
with the last Cummins we're gonna talk about today.
The 6.7.
Three, two, one.
B - [Glen] A.
- How many A's do you have?
- All the Cummins.
(man chuckles)
Dude, people are gonna love this.
Just wait for the comments.
- If you rated all of these trucks an A tier,
I'm gonna be really mad.
- Nope, just the Cummins.
- Oh my god.
So apparently, Glen is a huge Cummins guy.
- Dude, they're supposed to be the best.
- The 6.7s are pretty baller.
- Transmissions are junk.
But the engine is great. - They've gotten better.
- Nah, nope. - They've gotten better.
- I still wouldn't go to- - Oh I would buy a fifth gen
6.7 in a heart beat. (man shouts)
Sign me up.
- Feel like warranty work.
- Okay, listen.
(man laughing) Listen.
Listen, mister Dual F150. - You don't listen, Linda.
- Listen, Linda.
Keep 'er moving.
Into the Powerstrokes!
- Which ones?
- We're gonna start with the 7.3.
- Let's go! - We're going in
chronological order.
- Hell yeah. - So,
starting with the 7.3 Powerstroke.
Are you ready? - [Glen] Let's do it.
- Three, two, one.
- [Glen] B. - [Dustin] E.
- E? What?
- I said it. - I said B.
This guy's nuts. - I said it.
- The 7.3's the next best thing to a 12 valve.
For reliability.
You're not gonna make big power but the 7.3,
they're a work horse.
- Here's why I don't like the 7.3s.
- Unreal.
- You're unreal. Listen, here's why I don't like the 7.3s.
The 7.3 was a great engine in 1997.
It's 2021.
Okay? - Okay.
- You don't see guys 7.3 swapping all sorts of stuff do you?
No, that's why the 12 valve rated so high for me.
The 7.3 was a great engine and it did a really good job.
And Ford owned that market at that time.
Between the Cummins and the 7.3, they were the big.
See, I don't know, the 7.3,
good trucks, great engines.
They made okay power, they got awful fuel economy.
But for whatever reason, everybody just
loves that truck.
And it's just not worth the hype for me, man.
I'm sorry. - So it's over hyped?
- It's over hyped. 100%.
- I can see that.
I can see it, but
I'm rating it on the reliability.
(man grumbles)
- I'm with you. - We're moving on.
Next one. - We're moving on, next one.
Onto the
- Oh no. - Beloved
- Oh no. - Ugly stepbrother
of the 7.3,
the 6.0 liter Powerstroke. - [Glen] Let's go.
- Three, two, one.
- [Glen] E. - [Dustin] B.
- How can do the opposite? - B, B, B, B, B, B!
All day, everyday.
Listen, anyone that's watched the show
for any amount of time knows that I had a 6.0 liter, right?
6.0 liters, to this day,
are one of the best bang for your buck trucks you can buy.
Premiere right?
So when you look at, I paid
a lot of money for my- - How many heads?
- Just hear me out. (man laughs)
- You can buy
a 6.0 liter right now with 100,00 miles on it
for 12 grand.
- Non-bullet proofed.
- Correct.
- You need a bullet proof six cyl.
- So at 12 grand,
you can pull the engine out of it,
pay the five grand it takes to bullet proof it
and get it done really well
so you won't have any issues with it again.
And for $17,000,
you have a truck that's got half the miles
of a Cummins or a Duramax equivalent.
- Right.
- That's why I like the 6.0 liters.
They sounds fantastic. - Oh yeah.
- VGT turbos are- - They sound amazing.
- The interiors were styled relatively well
for the years that they were made.
And I like it because it makes people mad.
(man laughs) - I do like the sound
of the 6.0 cylinders.
There was a kid in high school that his
dad had a dual stacked one
that sounded like a freaking airplane
every time he started it at school
and it's like, all right, that's the truck.
But they go through heads if you don't bullet proof them.
Again, me rating on reliability.
6.0 cyl fell to the bottom.
(man cheers)
- 6.4 Powerstroke.
- [Glen] Oh yeah, this one's gonna be up there.
- Three, two, one.
F. - [Glen] F.
- The 6.4 is,
so the the 6.0 liter had some saving grace,
there's still some guys like me that are like,
"Hey, they're not so bad." The 6.4.
Not.
- They're really cool on the drag tracks when they're built.
Bt every run, they break down and you gotta take them back
to the shop, pull the whole truck apart
to just fix a part on the engine.
Dude, 6.4s are the least reliable of all time.
- Ford Motor Company was like,
"Hey, what if we took the unreliable 6.0 ,
and made it worse?" - Yup.
- And the other guy's like,
"Yeah, I mean, let's do it."
Welcome to the 6.4.
- I'd say stands for fail.
That's the 6.4. - Yeah.
And I know a guy that's got one.
- We all do.
- It ran okay, it's a farm truck,
so be beats the everliving hell out of it
and it took it relatively well but,
guess what, his head's lifted
twice.
'Cause that's what happens with 6.4s.
You hate to see it. - Yup. Hate to see it.
- All right.
6.7 Powerstroke.
- [Glen] Okay. Now we're getting legit.
- Three, two, one.
C. - [Glen] S.
- Of course you picked S.
Glen has one.
- I do have one. I have an 18. - Huge Powerstroke guy.
- They're great tow rigs,
thing's stupid reliable, I got 120,000 miles it now,
no issues.
So it's up there for me.
- I put them as a C. And I like the truck,
I like the engine. - [Glen] A C.
- [Dustin] I don't know I kind of put them
right in the middle.
I was looking at my list and trying to
evenly balance it out.
And I was like, where do I put this one? I was like,
let's put her right in the middle.
- [Glen] There's really nothing bad out there against them.
They've been super strong.
- [Dustin] They've been pretty good.
The early ones had issues with rings I think, right?
The 15s I thought had a piston ring issue?
Way back, the really, really early ones.
- That'd be 2010 then even
to that point with the 6.7s.
- Yeah, I'm not really sure.
Either way, decent engines.
The Alumi-Duty's look really good. I like them.
Banker likes them, he's built 20 of them now.
- Banker makes every video we do.
Hey, just come say hi to the camera.
- Yeah, why don't you just walk through the set
like you always do?
Anyway. I dunno, I don't hate them, I don't love them,
that's why I put them kind of right in the middle.
And the early, I like the Alumi-Duties a lot more,
the 15 plus. - Yup.
- The early 6.7s were
a little unique in styling.
You know.
- I can see that.
(man mumbling)
17 plus.
- It's 17 plus?
I dunno, it's when they went to the cool headlights.
That's all I know. That's all I need to know.
- [Banker] 17. (beep)
- All right, well.
Okay, when they went to the Alumi-Duty in 2017 then.
I'm about those, but you know, the early ones.
(man moaning)
- Simmer down there, guy. - They're okay.
- All right, next one.
- Moving right along.
- We got the Duramax's.
- We are in to the GMs.
And kicking it back very early,
we're lumping these two together
as the Detroit Diesels.
The early diesels that you could get from what,
82 to- - 1980 to 2000
you had the 6.2 and the 6.5s.
- Are you ready?
- Let's go.
- [Banker] You can't lump them together.
- Yes I can.
- [Banker] One's turbo and one's not.
- Doesn't matter if one's turbo and one's not.
- They're both junk.
- Three, two, one.
F - F.
I had that tied with the 6.4, it's an F.
- Everyday. - Big F.
- Listen,
listen,
for the time, they were okay.
It's 2021.
- [Glen] I've known a lot of guys
with the 6.5s specifically
and they can go 100 miles, fix it.
Another couple hundred miles, fix it.
It's never a winning situation.
- It was a very interesting time in GM history.
- I mean, they were good when they were new
for what, 50,000 miles and then they're-
- Yeah.
So, anything more about the Detroits?
- They're just a big no-go.
- I just, I can't do it, man.
- Nothing against the truck body styles.
- No, truck body styles are fantastic.
- It's just the reliability.
- All right. Moving on.
Up next, we're lumping these three together as well.
Technically, they're different
and I should know better than anyone,
but we're gonna lump them together
because it came in the same body style
and so we're not here for 50 minutes,
we're talking LB7, LLY, LBZs.
So the Cateye Duramax
pickups. - [Glen] All 6.6 liters.
- Yeah, from here on out, it's all 6.6. So LB7, LLY, LBZ.
Ready? Three, two, one.
S. - [Glen] D.
- [Dustin] What?!
- I was gonna say maybe C, but
we're getting to the next one that'll be a C.
- Why do I like this guy?
- So, as cool as they are
and the power you can make with them,
that's a big factor, they're awesome.
- Yeah. - Nothing bad about that.
But the reliability.
I've heard of tons of issues through friends
who've owned these older, early 2000, mid 2000 diesels,
the Duramax's and it's just,
they got issues.
They're not nearly as bad as the 6.0 and 6.4 for issues,
but they got problems.
- The LB7 and LLY was much worse.
- Yup. - The LB7 had the
injectors buried inside. - Yup.
- So you had to take the whole had apart to get to it,
that was miserable.
They fixed that in the LLY
but then they decided to put a smaller radiator on them
because it's not like people with diesel trucks
tow or anything. - Yup.
- And then the LBZ is the holy grail.
Before somebody roasts me 'cause I have one,
they're okay, they're not. (man cheers)
- We probably shouldn't have combined them all
'cause they each had their flaws.
Some more than others.
So that's where I was like,
C would be a mid-range.
But I was like, a couple of them brought it down.
- It's S tier for me
for the only sole fact that I own one.
And if I didn't rate in in S tier,
we got some issues.
- [Glen] I believe we both rated out current diesels
at the S tier.
- [Dustin] Do you wanna trade? I'll trade you.
- Uh uh.
I'm not going back to Duramax.
We'll get on that topic next.
- Oh! Okay, moving on then.
All right, let's do LML first. - [Glen] Okay.
- Three, two, one.
D. - C.
D? - C?
D, C, huh, what?
- It's a D for me. - Why?
- I hate this body style of truck.
- Okay. - I shouldn't say hate.
- Body style. - Because I know I'm gonna get
a ton of crap for it but
I can't rate this engine higher
because I just don't like the truck.
- It's not the body's fault though.
It's got a good engine in it.
- It's okay. - It's got a good heart.
- It's okay. - Come on.
- The CP3 issues that they had.
- You can anyways put the new fuel pumps
on the upgraded ones.
- You can always replace the heads on a 6.0 liter,
but you rated that an F.
- That's a lot more than a fuel pump. (crosstalk)
- L5Ps.
- Oh.
Way over rated. We'll just throw that out there.
(crosstalk)
- Three, two, one.
- [Glen] C. - [Dustin] A.
A, A, A, A, A all day long.
They're beautiful.
- [Glen] Well the engine's just an engine.
- [Dustin] The truck it beautiful, they look good.
I dunno, that truck to me,
like your truck, fantastic.
- [Glen] It was good overall.
- [Dustin] I want it.
I mean, kind of.
But not that one in particular but one like it.
- It was decent.
The power and torque was great.
So I had an 18 L5P and I have an 18 6.7 Powerstroke now.
Very comparable power and torque.
Loved it.
I went through, on that Duramax, very low miles truck,
five glow plugs. (man laughs)
Luckily , it was warrantied but it's like $700
per glow plug at a dealer.
- Plug your truck in, Glen.
- I did. - I don't believe it.
- It's a flaw in the L5P's glow plug.
I'm dinging them because GM
failed on the damn glow plug. - Jesus, Glen.
That's fair. I don't know.
Again, and maybe I'm letting
the body style impact my- - I love 'em.
(crosstalk)
- But boy, the body style on those trucks is so good
with the split headlights.
- Great looking truck.
Overall, great engine, power is there.
When you tune them, they're monsters.
- Correct.
- But glow plugs. Come on, GM. (man laughs)
It's one thing. - Get it together.
- One thing. - You have one job.
- Yeah. - Well, I mean,
you got a lot of jobs, but in terms of glow plugs,
you have one job.
- Five in under 50,000 miles will piss you off.
- Yeah, I mean, that'd make me mad too.
- That's time at eh GM dealer I didn't wanna be at.
- Cool. That's another episode of the Tier List.
Thank you guys so much for watching.
Thank you, Glen, for joining us.
This was.
- I just felt like the fact of.
You know what, (beep) it.
- There, I threw mine too.
Is that better?
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And with that, we'll see you on the next one.
Peace. - Peace.
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