MARIA: WELCOME BACK.
OUR TOP STORY THIS HALF HOUR,
THE DACA DEBATE, HUNDREDS OF
PEOPLE LINING UP TO WATCH THE
JUSTICES HEAR ARGUMENTS ON
WHETHER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S EFFORT
TO END THE OBAMA ERA IMMIGRATION
PROGRAM IS LAWFUL.
PRESIDENT TRUMP WEIGHED IN ON
THIS, TWEETING THIS.
MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN DACA NO
LONGER VERY YOUNG ARE FAR FROM
ANGELS, SOME ARE VERY TOUGH,
HARDENED CRIMINALS.
PRESIDENT OBAMA SAID HE HAD NO
LEGAL RIGHT TO SIGN THE ORDER
BUT WOULD ANYWAY IF SUPREME
COURT REMEDIES WITH AN OVERTURN,
A DEAL WILL BE MADE WITH DEMS
FOR THEM TO STAY.
JOINING US NOW IS FORMER I.C.E.
DIRECTOR AND FOX NEWS
CONTRIBUTOR, TOM HOMAN.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
>> GOOD MORNING.
MARIA: INTERESTING WHAT THE
PRESIDENT SAID IN THAT TWEET,
SAYING IF IT IS OVERTURNED,
PRESIDENT OBAMA'S EXECUTIVE
ORDER, THEN A DEAL WILL BE MADE
TO GET THEM TO STAY.
THE PRESIDENT IS IN NO RUSH TO
HAVE THEM LEAVE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 700,000
PEOPLE?
>> WELL, LOOK, I THINK THE
PRESIDENT'S IN A WIN-WIN
SITUATION.
THE SUPREME COURT IS GOING TO
SAY ONE OF TWO THINGS.
PRESIDENT OBAMA HAD THE
AUTHORITY TO CREATE THIS
PROGRAM, WHICH MEANS ANOTHER
PRESIDENT CERTAINLY HAS THE
AUTHORITY TO END OR THEY'RE
GOING TO SAY PRESIDENT OBAMA DID
NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CREATE
THE PROGRAM WHICH PUTS PRESIDENT
TRUMP IN A GREAT POSITION FOR
NEGOTIATING SOME SORT OF
IMMIGRATION REFORM ON THE HILL.
I THINK EITHER WAY PRESIDENT
TRUMP IS IN A GOOD SPOT.
MARIA: REMIND OUR AUDIENCE OF
WHAT TOOK PLACE.
CONGRESS WAS NOT ACTING ON THE
DREAMERS WHO CAME TO THIS
COUNTRY WHEN THEY WERE VERY
YOUNG.
IT WASN'T THEIR FAULT THEIR
PARENTS BROUGHT THEM ILLEGALLY
HERE.
AND PRESIDENT OBAMA SAID I'M
GOING TO SIGN THIS EXECUTIVE
ORDER, GETTING THEM TO STAY.
>> LOOK, I TELL YOU, BASED ON
MY 30 SOME YEARS OF EXPERIENCE,
I THINK PRESIDENT OBAMAS WAS
WRONG DOING WHAT HE DID.
I THINK IT WAS ILLEGAL.
I THINK DEFERRED ACTION IS A
FOREL OF PROSECUTORIAL -- FORM
OF PROSECUTORIAL DISCRETION.
THAT NEEDS TO BE DECIDED ON A
CASE BY CASE BASIS.
YOU CAN'T JUST CARVE OUT
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
AND SAY I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU
PROSECUTORIAL DISCRETION.
I THINK IT WAS ILLEGAL.
HE SAID MANY TIMES HE COULDN'T
DO IT.
IC OUT OF FRUSTRATION HE DID IT.
-- I THINK OUT OF FRUSTRATION HE
DID IT.
I THINK THE SUPREME COURT WILL
FIND IT'S IMPROPER.
I CAN TELL YOU FOR A FACT, A LOT
OF THE DACA STUDENTS ARE NOT
STUDENTS, THEY NEVER STEPPED ON
A SCHOOL CAMPUS IN THEIR LIFE.
THEY WENT ON THE INTERNET AND
SIGNED UP FOR ONE CLASS.
A LOT HAVE CRIMINAL HISTORIES.
THIS IS NOT THE FINEST OF THE
FINEST.
THERE'S A LOT OF FINE YOUNG MEN
AND WOMEN IN THIS BUT THERE'S
ALSO THOSE THAT ARE NOT.
MARIA: WE KNOW FOR SURE SOME
HAVE CRIMINAL RECORDS.
>> YES, MA'AM.
>> DO YOU THINK THERE'S ANY
INCENTIVE FOR THE PRESIDENT TO
DELAY THIS?
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS SOMETHING HE'S
HOLDING FOR A WHILE, SAYING I'LL
GIVE A DEAL ON DACA.
DO YOU THINK HE HAS AN INCENTIVE
TO WAIT ON THAT BECAUSE HE LOSES
LEVERAGE ONCE HE GIVES UP AND
COMPROMISES ON A DEAL THERE?
>> I THINK THE PRESIDENT, HE'S
ALREADY MADE GREAT STRIDES ON
THE BORDER.
NUMBERS ARE DOWN 70% FROM THE
HIGH IN MAY.
HE REALIZES THAT CONGRESS NEEDS
THE TO ACT, THEY NEED TO CLOSE
LOOPHOLES THAT CAUSED THIS SURGE
SINCE FY '14.
I THINK HE REALIZES HE NEEDS
SOMETHING.
I THINK THIS WILL BE A GREAT
LEVERAGE TOOL.
I THINK THE TIMETABLE IS ON HIS
SIDE.
MARIA: WE HAVE NEW DATA SHOWING
70,000 MIGRANT CHILDREN HAVE
BEEN HELD IN U.S. GOVERNMENT
CUSTODY OVER THE PAST YEAR,
THAT'S SAID TO BE INFANTS,
TODDLERS, KIDS, TEENS TO
OVERFLOW AN NFL STADIUM.
WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE STATUS
OF THE MIGRANT BEING HELD TODAY?
WE'RE SHOWING PICTURES OF WHEN I
WENT TO THE BORDER, I WENT TO EL
PASO, TOOK THE SHOW THERE AND
WAS MET WITH SO MANY PEOPLE
CROSSING THE BORDER I'LL
LEGALLY, INCLUDING KIDS THAT
WERE ALONE.
>> I'M GLAD YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT THIS.
IT'S SOMETHING PEOPLE DON'T TALK
ABOUT.
THEY TALK ABOUT FAMILY
SEPARATION, 2500 FAMILIES WERE
SEPARATED.
THE PARENTS WERE PROSECUTED.
NO ONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT AT
THE SAME TIME THAT 2500 WERE
SEPARATED, THERE WERE OVER
14,000 CHILDREN IN CUSTODY OF
THE U.S. GOVERNMENT THAT WERE
SEPARATED BY THEIR PARENTS.
THE PARENTS WERE HERE ILLEGALLY
AND THEY HIRED A CRIMINAL
ORGANIZATION TO SMUGGLE THEIR
CHILD INTO THE COUNTRY.
THEY CALL WHAT THE GOVERNMENT
DID INHUMANE THAT WE PUT THEM IN
A LICENSED DAY-CARE FACILITY
WHILE WE PROSECUTE THE PARENT.
NO ONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THE
TENS OF THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN
THAT WERE SMUGGLED INTO THE
COUNTRY BY CRIMINAL
ORGANIZATIONS.
THE NUMBERS ARE STARTING TO GO
DOWN IN THE MOST RECENT MONTH
BECAUSE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
ACTIONS BUT IT'S A
SERIOUS ISSUE.
AS FAR AS THE FAMILY GOES, WE
HAVE 100,000 FAMILY UNITS THAT
ENTERED THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY IN
THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS, THAT'S
THE NEXT DACA POPULATION, IF WE
DON'T ADDRESS THIS PRETTY SOON
BECAUSE THE CHILDREN WILL CLAIM
WE WERE BROUGHT TO THE COUNTRY
NO L FAULT OF OUR OWN IN THE
LAST COUPLE YEARS.
WHATEVER CONGRESS DOES ON THE
DACA THING, YOU CAN'T HAVE A
CLEAN DACA FIX.
YOU NEED YOU ADDRESS THE DREADS
OF THOUSANDS, AND END REWARDING
ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR.
MARIA: MOST PEOPLE DON'T TALK
ABOUT, JOHN, HOW DANGEROUS THIS
IS.
BEFORE THESE KIDS GO INTO THE
MIGRANT FACILITIES, THEY'VE GOT
TO DEAL WITH DRUG LORDS.
THEY'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH THE
DANGEROUS SITUATION EVEN BEFORE
THEY GET TO THE R BORDER TO
CROSS IT.
>> YEAH, I THINK THIS IS REALLY
AS MESS.
HAVE YOU TO REALIZE, THERE'S
SOME SORT OF INCENTIVE FOR THE
KIDS TO COME OVER.
BE IN LARGE PART IT'S BECAUSE OF
WEAK UNDERPERFORMING LATIN
AMERICAN COMPANIES.
THE NUMBERS ARE SHOCKING.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE GROWTH RATE
IS FOR LATIN AMERICA THE PAST
YEAR?
IT'S BEEN ABOUT 1%, IF 1%,
ININCLUDING SOUTH AMERICA,
CENTRAL AMERICA.
THERE'S SOMETHING REALLY WRONG
WITH THE WAY THESE COUNTRIES ARE
BEING RUN.
MARIA: WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS
THIS IS AN ECONOMIC STORY.
TOM, THIS IS -- THEY'RE SAYING
THEY'RE CLAIMING ASYLUM BUT FOR
THE MOST PART THEY JUST WANT A
BETTER SITUATION.
THEY WANT A BETTER ECONOMY SO
THEY CAN GET JOBS IN AMERICA.
>> YEAH, IF YOU LOOK, 90% --
89.7% OF ALL CENTRAL AMERICANS
WHO CLAIM ASYLUM AT THE BORDER
DO NOT GET RELIEF FROM THE U.S.
GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THEY CAN DO
NOT FALLS WITHIN THE RULES OF
ASYLUM WHICH MEANS YOU'RE
ESCAPING FEAR AND PERSECUTION
FROM YOUR GOVERNMENT BECAUSE OF
YOUR RACE, RELIGION, POLITICAL
BELIEFS.
ESCAPING POVERTY DOESN'T QUALIFY
FOR ASIGH
FOR ASYGH
FOR ASYLUM.
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS
TRYING TO WORK THE OTHER ISSUE.
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT SECURING THE
BORDER.
WE'VE GOT GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS
DOWN IN CENTRAL AMERICA TRYING
TO CREATE PROSPERITY, WORKING
WITH BIG BUSINESSES, BIG BANKS
TO TRY TO START BUSINESSES IN
CENTRAL AMERICA SO THE ECONOMY
DOES IMPROVE.
MARIA: HOW MANY PEOPLE DOES THE
U.S. LET IN A YEAR LEGALLY?
A LOT OF THE SKEPTICS OF
PRESIDENT TRUMP LIKE TO
CO-MINGLE THIS LIKE LEGAL VERSUS
ILLEGAL.
THE PRESIDENT WANTS LEGAL
IMMIGRATION.
HE WANTS TO STOP THE ILLEGAL
IMMIGRATION.
>> THIS UNITED STATES IS THE
MOST GIVING COUNTRY IN THE
WORLD.
WE WELCOME MORE REFUGEES INTO
THE UNITED STATES EVERY YEAR
THAN EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE
WORLD COMBINED.
SO THIS IS A VERY GIVING NATION.
I DON'T THINK THAT WILL CHANGE.
HOWEVER, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS
NOT A VICTIMLESS TRIAL.
31% OF WOMEN GET RAPED MAKING
THAT JOURNEY.
CHILDREN ARE DRYING AND CRIMINAL
CARTELS ARE MAKING MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS A YEAR, THE SAME CARTELS
HAD THAT MURDERED SPECIAL AGENTS
AND WE'RE BANK ROLLING WITH
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
I'LL LEGAL IMMIGRATION, WE NEED
TO SECURE THE BORDER, FINISH THE
WALL, PASS COMPREHENSIVE
LEGISLATION AND CONGRESS NEEDS
TO GET OFF THEIR BUTTS AND HELP
THIS PRESIDENT SECURE THIS
BORDER.
MARIA: THEY'RE BACK IN SESSION.
THE PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL BEGIN
TOMORROW.
CONGRESS IS BACK.
TOM, THANK YOU.
THESE ARE THE STORIES YOU'RE NOT
HEARING.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS