I WANT YOU TO GET TO THE BOTTOM
OF THAT.
>> JOINING ME NOW, FORMER
HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY JEH
JOHNSON WHO ALSO SERVED AS
GENERAL COUNSEL AT THE PENTAGON.
SECRETARY JOHNSON, THANK YOU
VERY MUCH FOR BEING WITH US.
>> GOOD MORNING.
SURE.
>> AFTER THAT DAY THAT WE ALL
EXPERIENCED YESTERDAY, I WANT TO
TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT THEY
REFERRED TO AS TERRORISTS.
THE RIOTERS AS TERRORISTS AND
OFFICER HODGES IN PARTICULAR, HE
EVEN READ THE U.S. STATUTE
DEFINING DOMESTIC TERRORISM AT
ONE POINT.
HOW SHOULD WE BE DOING
DIFFERENTLY TO COUNTER THIS
HOMEGROWN THREAT?
>> THATS A GOOD QUESTION.
WHAT HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6th
ALMOST CERTAINLY FALLS WITHIN
THE DEFINITION OF TERRORISM.
WE BROADLY DEFINE TERRORISM AS
AN ACT OF MASS VIOLENCE TO
ACHIEVE SOME SORT OF POLITICAL
OBJECTIVE THROUGH ILLEGAL MEANS.
MY JUDGMENT IS THAT WHAT
HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6th IS THE
VERY DEFINITION OF AN
INSURRECTION.
WHAT SHOULD WE BE DOING
DIFFERENT?
THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND
SECURITY, MY OLD DEPARTMENT, WAS
CREATED IN 2002 ON THE
ASSUMPTION THAT THE THREAT TO
OUR NATION WAS AN EXTRA
TERRITORIAL THREAT FROM BEYOND
OUR BORDERS, AND SO THE THINKING
IN CONGRESS IN 2002 WAS IF YOU
CONSOLIDATE INTO ONE
CABINET-LEVEL DEPARTMENT ALL OF
THE DIFFERENT WAYS ONE CAN ENTER
THIS COUNTRY, LAND, SEA AND AIR
AND NOW CYBERSPACE, YOUVE
EFFECTIVELY DEALT WITH TERRORISM
AND FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, MUCH
OF THAT EFFORT HAS BEEN DEVOTED
TO DEGRADING ISIS, AL QAEDA
BEYOND OUR BORDERS.
NOW THE PRINCIPAL THREAT TO OUR
NATION IS DOMESTIC BASED.
DHS AND THE ANTI-DEFAMATION
LEAGUE AND OTHERS HAVE BEEN
TRACKING THAT FOR YEARS AND WHAT
MANY AMERICANS DONT UNDERSTAND
IS THAT THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF
DHS POLICE RUNNING AROUND IN THE
INTERIOR LOOKING FOR TERRORISTS
OR INSURRECTIONISTS AND THAT HAS
FALLEN LARGELY TO THE FBI.
I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A HARD
LOOK AT HOW OUR FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT MIGHT RE-ALIGN ITSELF
TO DEAL WITH THE CURRENT THREAT ENVIRONMENT.
>> AND YOU MEAN EXPANDING DHS
MISSION OR EXPANDING THE MISSION
ON HOW THE MISSION NEEDS TO BE
ATTACKED FROM DIFFERENT
DIRECTIONS?
>> I BELIEVE THAT THE FBI NEEDS
TO EXPAND ITS MISSION.
IT NEEDS TO REFOCUS ITS MISSION
AND DEDICATE MORE RESOURCES TO
DOMESTIC EXTREMISM.
IVE HEARD DIRECTOR WRAY SAY
THAT HE HAS DONE SO.
MY GUESS IS THAT THERES
PROBABLY MORE TO DO IN THIS
AREA.
WHEN I WAS IN OFFICE AS
SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY,
I SPENT A LOT OF TIME GOING FROM
COMMUNITY TO COMMUNITY BRINGING
LOCAL AND FEDERAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT TOGETHER AND
COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS TO TRY
TO IDENTIFY DOMESTIC-BASED
VIOLENT EXTREMISM BEFORE IT
TURNS ILLEGAL.
DHS IS IN A POSITION TO DO MORE
THERE.
DH IS ALSO THROUGH ITS
GRANT-MAKING ACTIVITY AND
THROUGH LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT
CAN HELP RE-CHANNEL A LOT OF
THEIR EFFORTS TOWARD DOMESTIC
EXTREMISM, BUT THIS IS THE
NUMBER ONE THREAT IN TERMS OF
TERRORISM, AND DOMESTIC
EXTREMISM RIGHT NOW THAT WEVE
GOT TO FACE UP TO.
I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO
SECRETARY MALLORCAS STATE OF
DHS TOMORROW, BUT AS YOU KNOW,
IT WAS POSTPONED AND WELL SEE
EXACTLY HOW DHS IS REFRAMING
ITSELF FOR THE FUTURE.
>> AND WE HOPE TO RE-VISIT THAT
IN THE COMING DAYS, AS WELL.
ANOTHER THROUGHLINE WHICH IS
FUELING A LOT OF THE TERRORISM
AS WE HAVE DEFINED IT HERE IS
RACISM AMONG MANY OF THE
RIOTERS.
MOST OF THEM WERE WHITE AGAINST
THE BLACK AND LATINO OFFICERS.
LISTEN TO WHAT OFFICER HODGES
SAID ABOUT THIS.
>> THE CROWD WAS OVERWHELMINGLY
WHITE.
MALES, THEY DIDNT SAY ANYTHING
ESPECIALLY XENOPHOBIC TO ME, BUT
TO MY BLACK COLLEAGUES AND
ANYONE WHO IS NOT WHITE, AND
SOME OF THEM WOULD TRY TO
RECRUIT ME.
ONE OF THEM CAME UP TO ME AND
SAID "ARE YOU MY BROTHER"?
AND SO HOW SERIOUS IS THE THREAT
OF WHITE SUPREMACY AMONG
DOMESTIC EXTREMISTS AND HOW DO
YOU GO AFTER IT?
>> ANDREA, THERE HAVE BEEN
STUDIES DONE OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS
ON THE GROUP THAT CONVERGED ON
THE CAPITOL ON JANUARY 6th.
THEY WERE MOTIVATED BY FIRST OF
ALL, THEIR SUPPORT FOR DONALD
TRUMP, BUT ALSO THE SO-CALLED
GREAT REPLACEMENT, A FEAR AMONG
WHITE AMERICA THAT SOMEHOW
PEOPLE OF COLOR ARE REPLACING
THEM IN OUR COUNTRY AND IN OUR
SOCIETY.
INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, MANY OF
THE INSURRECTIONISTS CAME FROM
BLUE STATES AND BLUE
COMMUNITIES, NOT AT ALL SOLELY
RED STATES, AND SO RACE IS VERY
MUCH A MOTIVATING, A VIOLENT,
MOTIVATING FACTOR HERE.
IM NOT AT ALL SURPRISED TO HEAR
THE VERY UGLY TESTIMONY THAT
CAME FROM THE CAPITOL POLICE,