CAN YOU STAND BY?
WE ARE TOLD THAT THE DEFENSE
ATTORNEY IS SPEAKING.
LET’S LISTEN.
>> YOU WANT THE TRUTH?
HAD TO PUT THEM ON.
IT WASN’T A CLOSE CALL. AT CERTAIN POINTS WE WONDERED
AT CERTAIN POINTS WE WONDERED
WHETHER WE WOULD PUT HIM ON.
WE DID, WE HAVE A MOCK JURY.
WE DID TWO DIFFERENT JURIES, ONE
WITH HIM TESTIFYING AND ONE
WITHOUT HIM TESTIFYING.
IT WAS SUBSTANTIALLY BETTER WHEN
HE TESTIFIED.
TO A MARKET DEGREE.
THAT SEALED IT.
IN WISCONSIN, IF YOU DON’T PUT A
CLIENT ON THE STAND, YOU’RE
GOING TO LOSE. NECK.
IT’S AT THE BEGINNING.
WHEN THE ATTORNEY GAVE HIS
OPENING STATEMENT AND SAID THAT
KYLE CHASE ROSENBAUM DOWN, I
DON’T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM
TO THIS DAY.
IT WAS RIDICULOUS.
THAT GAVE ME SOMETHING TO REALLY
SHOW AND ARGUE TO A JURY THAT
THIS ISN’T FAIR.
IT’S NOT A GAME.
I THINK THAT WAS HUGE.
MICHAEL CONSOLE AND I STRESS THE
WORD COCOUNSEL, HE WAS NOT A
SECOND CHAIR.
HE WAS INCREDIBLE.
WE THOUGHT OVER WHO GOT TO
CROSS-EXAMINE GAUGE GROSS
CRATES.
HE WON AND DID A BETTER JOB THAN
I WOULD HAVE.
>> ISSUES OF RACIAL JUSTICE,
SECOND AMENDMENT, SELF-DEFENSE.
WHAT DOES YOUR TEAM WANT THIS
VERDICT TO BE REMEMBERED FOR?
>> WHEN I TOOK THIS CASE, I WAS
HIRED BY THE 21ST LAWYERS, I’M
NOT GOING TO USE THEIR NAMES.
THEY WANTED TO USE KYLE FOR A
CAUSE AND SOMETHING THAT I THINK
WAS INAPPROPRIATE.
I DON’T REPRESENT CAUSES.
I REPRESENT CLIENTS.
THE ONLY THING THAT ENDED UP
MATTERING TO ME WAS WHETHER HE
WAS FOUND NOT GUILTY OR NOT.
IS THAT WHAT KYLE WANTS?
SPEAK I BELIEVE THAT’S WHAT HE
WANTED.
I TOLD HIM WHEN I FIRST MET HIM,
WAS IN CUSTODY THAN IF HE WAS
LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO GO ON A
CRUSADE, I WASN’T HIS LAWYER.
>> THROUGHOUT THE WEEK YOU HAVE
SAID --
>> I NEVER TALKED TO YOU.
>> YOU DIDN’T KNOW WHAT THE HECK
WAS GOING ON IN THE JURY ROOM.
LOOKING BACK ON THAT TIME, 27
HOURS UNTIL THIS AFTERNOON, CAN
YOU WALK THROUGH.
>> I EXPECTED.
WE KIND OF PICKED AMONGST
OURSELVES, OUR WIVES, OUR
FRIENDS, MY ASSOCIATES IN THE
BUILDING.
I HAD TUESDAY AT 4:30.
I WAS WAY WRONG.
NOBODY HAD IT GOING PAST
THURSDAY.
THERE WAS TALK TODAY ABOUT
WHETHER THEY WERE GOING TO
DELIBERATE ON SATURDAY.
I’VE NEVER SEEN A JURY AND I
DON’T MEAN THIS IS A SLIGHT TO
THEM.
THEY DIDN’T HAVE A LOT OF
QUESTIONS.
WE HAD NO INFORMATION THAT THEY
EVER FOUGHT.
THEY WERE JUST WORKING THROUGH
THE ISSUES.
SO IT WAS THE TIME THAT MADE ME
NERVOUS.
THERE WASN’T ANY INFORMATION
COMING OUT.
>> THEY SUBMITTED FIVE QUESTIONS
OVER THE WHOLE TIME.
DIDN’T ASK TO REWATCH THE
VIDEOS.
THE ALMOST FIVE QUESTIONS, WAS
IT CONCERNING OUR PUZZLING?
>> YOU KNOW, I WAS AFRAID OF A
COMPROMISE.
I KNOW IT’S BEEN REPORTED THAT
WE ASKED FOR LESSER INCLUDED
BURLESQUE.
WE OBJECTED TO ALL OF THEM.
KYLE WAS QUESTIONED.
IT WASN’T KYLE’S WISH.
WE WERE AFRAID THAT THERE WOULD
BE SOME HORSETRADING IN THE JURY
ROOM.
AND THAT’S WHAT REALLY CONCERNED
US.
>> VISIBLY FRUSTRATED WITH
THE --
MULTIPLE TIMES.
>> NO.
[LAUGHS]
I WAS A PROSECUTOR.
CORY WAS A PROSECUTOR.
I NEVER WENT AFTER SOMEBODY LIKE
THEY DID.
WHEN THEY PUT ON THE BROTHERS
KNOWING THAT THEY WERE LYING,
THAT WAS A PROBLEM.
AS I SAID IN MY CLOSING
ARGUMENT.
IT’S NOT A GAME.
YOU ARE PLAYING WITH AN
18-YEAR-OLD KID’S LIFE.
THEY WERE WILLING TO PUT THOSE
GUYS ON.
THE DETECTIVES HAD BOTH
INTERVIEWED THEM.
THEIR POLICE REPORTS, THEY SAID
WE KNOW YOU’RE LYING.
I CAN ASK THAT QUESTION WHEN
THEY’RE ON THE WITNESS STAND OF
THE DETECTIVE BECAUSE ONE
WITNESS CAN’T COMMENT ON
ANOTHER.
SO THEY PUT THEM ON.
THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE LYING.
AND THAT’S GARBAGE.
I’M THANKFUL WE ARE NEVER GOING
TO HAVE TO LITIGATE THE ISSUE
REGARDING THE DRONE VIDEO.
THEY ARE KEPT SAYING WE
STIPULATED.
WE AGREED TO LET IT IN.
WE SAW THE QUALITY WE WERE GIVEN
IN THE JURY COULDN’T SEE
ANYTHING.
SAYING THAT THE FIRST LAWYER HAD
IT BECAUSE IT WAS ON
TUCKER CARLSON.
JOHN PIERCE NEVER HAD THAT
VIDEO.
WE HAVE TALKED TO FOX NEWS.
THE VIDEO THAT WAS ON
TUCKER CARLSON’S SHOW STARTED
RIGHT WHEN ROSENBAUM THROUGH THE
BAG.
IT DID NOT START WITH THE PART
THEY SHOWED AT THE BEGINNING.
IT’S A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
THAT’S WHAT THEY BUILT THEIR
WHOLE CAISSON WITH THAT GARBAGE
PHOTO YOU DON’T EXPECT
EVERYTHING IN A TRIAL EVER.
THAT PROGRAM THAT THEY USED AND
THE EXPERT FROM THE CRIME LAB
SPECIFICALLY SAYS ON THE
COMPANY’S BLOG, ARTIFICIAL
INTELLIGENT ENHANCEMENTS ARE NOT
TO BE USED FOR FORENSIC
EVIDENCE.
AND THEY DID IT.